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20 Apr 10
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According to 'gubbed' not a single thread anywhere on this site mentions 'Makfi'.
That can't be right...can it?
That can't be right...can it?
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Question - what time did Zafonic run on soft ground in the Djebel when 2nd ?
"only just ready for a run" I think was the phrase Delzangles used post-race - there's plenty of improvement to come from Makfi lads.
LOL - Zafonic had won a Dewhurst by 4l in 1m23.6, though!
It isn't impossible Makfi will win, but it is at least 40-1 on what he has shown imo.
Let's not forget there are horses in this race like Dick Turpin, who has won a recognised trial and probably has the best speed figure in the race - at 25-1.
It isn't impossible Makfi will win, but it is at least 40-1 on what he has shown imo.
Let's not forget there are horses in this race like Dick Turpin, who has won a recognised trial and probably has the best speed figure in the race - at 25-1.
Since when was the Greenham a recognised Guineas trial ? If Makfi was trained by Fabre then he would be half those odds. Makfi actually tops the trends analysis for the race alongside Awzaan and for me was massive e/w value at 50/1, even the best price 33/1 is still way too big.
The best jockey in the world takes the ride and he has a great record at the course ;)
Makfi isn't trained by Fabre, so your point is irrelevant.
Not necessarily saying DT will win or that greenham is a particularly strong trial, but he represents far better value than Makfi, who is essentially just a shot in the dark. The horse hasn't proved he has any of the necessary credentials imo...
Not necessarily saying DT will win or that greenham is a particularly strong trial, but he represents far better value than Makfi, who is essentially just a shot in the dark. The horse hasn't proved he has any of the necessary credentials imo...
The mole at 40/1 it was slightly over priced considering the visual impression it gave on its last run. That was my view earlier after watching its run a few times. At as low as 20's and a general 25's it is now its fair price. I have said I dont think it will win but at 40's worth worth a small investment on a horse that could improve 10lb but in all probabillity wont.
To be fair the mole seems to put a lot of faith in speed ratings and that's fair enough if it works for him, although caution should be used with Dick Turpin who i can't see getting a mile.
What makes (getting close to made now) Makfi value is what he could potentially do given the style with which he's won his trial. I don't feel there's any reason to use the ground as a negative; we don't know what Dubawis like although we know he probably didn't like fast ground but being out of a Green Desert mare would suggest Makfi could well take to and improve for to fast ground so there is a chance. The progress this horse has made from being a 26 grand purchase at the end of last season is phenomenal and he looks to be on a real upward curve, his trainer looks to have found something in him. Definitely needs to step up again so any current figures to his name are right but he looks to have the profile to do so.
What makes (getting close to made now) Makfi value is what he could potentially do given the style with which he's won his trial. I don't feel there's any reason to use the ground as a negative; we don't know what Dubawis like although we know he probably didn't like fast ground but being out of a Green Desert mare would suggest Makfi could well take to and improve for to fast ground so there is a chance. The progress this horse has made from being a 26 grand purchase at the end of last season is phenomenal and he looks to be on a real upward curve, his trainer looks to have found something in him. Definitely needs to step up again so any current figures to his name are right but he looks to have the profile to do so.
Yeah speed ratings on their own plainly don't work consistently to be a profitable method on their own. Also, the fastest horses don't win the Guineas as we will see when the likes of Canford Cliffs ends up in the July Cup ;-)
To say Dick Turpin is better value than Makfi was/is made me laugh though ;-)
To say Dick Turpin is better value than Makfi was/is made me laugh though ;-)
Who said anything about speed figures on their own?
The horse hasn't run fast enough to win a guineas, the horse hasn't proved he goes on the ground, his form (ignoring time considerations) is a long way short of what will be required. Hiis trainer - has he ever had a runner in the Guineas?
Yes - it is unexposed, but so is Elspeth's Boy....
The horse hasn't run fast enough to win a guineas, the horse hasn't proved he goes on the ground, his form (ignoring time considerations) is a long way short of what will be required. Hiis trainer - has he ever had a runner in the Guineas?
Yes - it is unexposed, but so is Elspeth's Boy....
Don't be such a party pooper, moley. 6 of the top 7 bets on here fall under my wing and I'm getting excited.
C'mon - say something nice about Le Makfi....
C'mon - say something nice about Le Makfi....
He could be anything, The Headmaster - ANYTHING, I TELL YOU
To be fair, if I was on at 800 I would be getting excited.
I can now embrace the day with renewed optimism, le mole. ALLEZ MAKFI.
Does anyone have an opinion on his draw? Can't work out if 15's a touch or not....
Does anyone have an opinion on his draw? Can't work out if 15's a touch or not....
Prob just come down the middle, but cant be bad a thing being near to St Nic
I'd be lying if I said I had any clue - I'm sure they will just make it up as they go along. Possible Red Jazz could lead a group low, but who knows...
To be fair Mikel Delzangles has only been training since 2001 so it's harsh to point to his non existent record in the race. Can't find a lot out about him but he used to be assistant trainer to Alain De Royer-Dupre. Looks like he has about a quarter of the horses the 'powerhouse' stables have. He was 31st in the trainers table by wins last year but interestingly looks to have a better percentage win to runner and also runs record than pretty much all those above him (worked it out roughly in my head!) which is quite interesting and perhaps he's an up and coming trainer to take note of, hope so anyway :)
Agree being near the favourite can be no bad thing although they don't want to watch him to closely because his turn of foot could kill them so they need to run their own race.
Agree being near the favourite can be no bad thing although they don't want to watch him to closely because his turn of foot could kill them so they need to run their own race.
We will all know who he is tmw at 3.15pm. A dozen microphones under his nose......
You appear to be very confident, kevbet, which I like. Do you know something we don't?!?
was thinking that kev...very bulish on a couple of threads...any sound reasons behind this ?
Maybe Gordon Brown is going to call him a bigot or something?
BREAKING NEWS....Makfi has arrived in England and has travelled over very nicely, thank you.
1 winning favourite since Zafonic in 1993. No horse in the last 10 years was foaled later than 7th April. Good luck with the fav :-)
Makfi and Awzaan are strongest on overall trends and represent the value in the race.
Makfi and Awzaan are strongest on overall trends and represent the value in the race.
thats good cos i have back both for 2 weeks now
what price would Makfi be, if he was still with previous connections?
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Take a bow The Headmaster.
Hope you won loads!!!!!!!!!
Hope you won loads!!!!!!!!!
Anyway - I was half right - Greenham was a great trial this year ;)
UNBELIEVABLE
After Binocular and now this.
Kudos The Headmaster and others :)
After Binocular and now this.
Kudos The Headmaster and others :)
Tregoning household - 'Marcus its the Sheik on the phone for you...'
Top Trends horse, had it and the 6k tricast this is what I sent out via formbet.co.uk -:
I've also taken a look at the 2000 Guineas trends (1000 Guineas tomorrow) using a combination of trends taken from various places. I have only had one bet on the 2000 Guineas so far and it's on the French horse MAKFI each-way at 40/1 and it was before I had done the trends analysis so the fact he comes out joint-top I was pretty amazed about and he rates a value each-way bet at this stage. The other strong trends contender is Mark Johnston's AWZAAN who at 10/1 is also worth a 1pt win. I will wait to see what the ratings say on Saturday and when I have had another look at the breeding before going in again but my hunch is to be against the favourite who looks more a Derby type, then again I thought that about Sea The Stars before the 2000 last year ! However, there is no 12/1 or 14/1 for St Nicholas Abbey for the Derby this time so I'm leaving that race along till nearer the time.
Makfi is by Dubawi out of a half-sister to 2000-Guineas placed Alhaarth dam who was also a dam to Aqaleem from the family of Authorized. The dams sire Green Desert ended up a champion sprinter but only found Dancing Brave too good in his Guineas. Dubawi is fast becoming a sire of Group-1 winners and himself ran well when 5th in the 2000 Guineas before winning the Irish equivalent so on breeding Makfi looks up to the mile trip and has decent quality in there.
One method that has served me well in the past for a horse to follow or in this race is to look at a runner that ran well or won the Prix Djebel as MAKFI did impressively last time. I was on both Pennekamp and Zafonic following decent runs in that trial back in the '90's and watching them strut round the paddock they were just different gravy to the others. Other Djebel winners from the '90's were Machiavellian and Lycius who both won the Djebel and ran close 2nd's at Newmarket. Not much has attempted the follow up in recent years, Whipper found the ground too lively at Newmarket in 2004 but went on to become a Group 1 performer as did Marchand D'Or and last year's French 2000/French Derby winner Le Havre also won the Djebel impressively. Then there was US Ranger who won the Djebel and then ran 2nd on the far side in the 2007 Guineas. Now, if MAKFI was trained by Andre Fabre or was still a Tregoning/Maktoum colt then I am sure he would be at least half his current 40/1 odds in the betting. The trainer/jockey are capable of winning decent races though as they showed with Chineur a few years ago who won the King's Stand at Royal Ascot. The only slight worry is he has only won on soft ground but the trainer reckons better ground will not be a problem and that he will improve for that last run in the Djebel where he showed a really good turn of foot in the closing stages. With the top class Christophe Lemaire in the plate he could just run a big race at an each-way price in a race that I feel lacks a bit of strength in depth. You can view his Djebel win on Youtube here - : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o41UKUXz4e4
2000 Guineas Trends
Breeding
Irish bred: 6-9-77
AWZAAN, CANFORD CLIFFS, FENCING MASTER,MAKFI,ST NICHOLAS ABBEY
British bred: 2-7-62
BUZZWORD,FAIR TRADE,HEARTS OF FIRE,XTENSION
American bred: 2-2-44
AL ZIR, AUDACITY OF HOPE, DICK TURPIN, ELSPETH'S BOY, ELUSIVE PIMPERNEL, GREYFRIARSCHORISTA, INLER, LORD ZENITH, RED JAZZ, VISCOUNT NELSON
French bred: 0-2-4
NONE
German bred: 0-0-1
NONE
Irish bred horses have won 6 of the last 10 from approximately 41% of the total runners
(see above)
8 of 10 winners were by a sire who had finished in the first 4 in the Irish/French or English 2000 Guineas (other 2 sires had won group 1
I've also taken a look at the 2000 Guineas trends (1000 Guineas tomorrow) using a combination of trends taken from various places. I have only had one bet on the 2000 Guineas so far and it's on the French horse MAKFI each-way at 40/1 and it was before I had done the trends analysis so the fact he comes out joint-top I was pretty amazed about and he rates a value each-way bet at this stage. The other strong trends contender is Mark Johnston's AWZAAN who at 10/1 is also worth a 1pt win. I will wait to see what the ratings say on Saturday and when I have had another look at the breeding before going in again but my hunch is to be against the favourite who looks more a Derby type, then again I thought that about Sea The Stars before the 2000 last year ! However, there is no 12/1 or 14/1 for St Nicholas Abbey for the Derby this time so I'm leaving that race along till nearer the time.
Makfi is by Dubawi out of a half-sister to 2000-Guineas placed Alhaarth dam who was also a dam to Aqaleem from the family of Authorized. The dams sire Green Desert ended up a champion sprinter but only found Dancing Brave too good in his Guineas. Dubawi is fast becoming a sire of Group-1 winners and himself ran well when 5th in the 2000 Guineas before winning the Irish equivalent so on breeding Makfi looks up to the mile trip and has decent quality in there.
One method that has served me well in the past for a horse to follow or in this race is to look at a runner that ran well or won the Prix Djebel as MAKFI did impressively last time. I was on both Pennekamp and Zafonic following decent runs in that trial back in the '90's and watching them strut round the paddock they were just different gravy to the others. Other Djebel winners from the '90's were Machiavellian and Lycius who both won the Djebel and ran close 2nd's at Newmarket. Not much has attempted the follow up in recent years, Whipper found the ground too lively at Newmarket in 2004 but went on to become a Group 1 performer as did Marchand D'Or and last year's French 2000/French Derby winner Le Havre also won the Djebel impressively. Then there was US Ranger who won the Djebel and then ran 2nd on the far side in the 2007 Guineas. Now, if MAKFI was trained by Andre Fabre or was still a Tregoning/Maktoum colt then I am sure he would be at least half his current 40/1 odds in the betting. The trainer/jockey are capable of winning decent races though as they showed with Chineur a few years ago who won the King's Stand at Royal Ascot. The only slight worry is he has only won on soft ground but the trainer reckons better ground will not be a problem and that he will improve for that last run in the Djebel where he showed a really good turn of foot in the closing stages. With the top class Christophe Lemaire in the plate he could just run a big race at an each-way price in a race that I feel lacks a bit of strength in depth. You can view his Djebel win on Youtube here - : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o41UKUXz4e4
2000 Guineas Trends
Breeding
Irish bred: 6-9-77
AWZAAN, CANFORD CLIFFS, FENCING MASTER,MAKFI,ST NICHOLAS ABBEY
British bred: 2-7-62
BUZZWORD,FAIR TRADE,HEARTS OF FIRE,XTENSION
American bred: 2-2-44
AL ZIR, AUDACITY OF HOPE, DICK TURPIN, ELSPETH'S BOY, ELUSIVE PIMPERNEL, GREYFRIARSCHORISTA, INLER, LORD ZENITH, RED JAZZ, VISCOUNT NELSON
French bred: 0-2-4
NONE
German bred: 0-0-1
NONE
Irish bred horses have won 6 of the last 10 from approximately 41% of the total runners
(see above)
8 of 10 winners were by a sire who had finished in the first 4 in the Irish/French or English 2000 Guineas (other 2 sires had won group 1
wd headmaster, excellent stuff. backed it at 85, laid it at 60 though but still delighted.thankyou.
Well done winners, saw this but backed CC and FM instead.
Thought about having Makfi in my Ten to follow this morning, but obviously horse not there. Shambolic competition,going to be embarrassing when Cutlass Bay and Kasbah Bliss also win some bonus races.
Thought about having Makfi in my Ten to follow this morning, but obviously horse not there. Shambolic competition,going to be embarrassing when Cutlass Bay and Kasbah Bliss also win some bonus races.
wonder how many TTF lists Makfi featues in? Not mine, sadly.
That's the point, Makfi wasn't even there! There are only 250 horses to choose from.
I haven't chosen a single filly, hopefully Rumoosh will win because she isn't on the list and my older horses like Overdose can mop up.
I haven't chosen a single filly, hopefully Rumoosh will win because she isn't on the list and my older horses like Overdose can mop up.
sorry,mate - must read the posts better - I was also wanting to put Ramoosh in - went for the Gaodolphin filly in the end more with a view to The Oaks than tomorrow's Guineas
Well done to all the Makfi backers and well done Headmaster.
You have the Dancing Teddy Bear.
Head In Hands man for the St Nicholas Abbey fanboys.
You have the Dancing Teddy Bear.
Head In Hands man for the St Nicholas Abbey fanboys.
thank you headmaster and thank you makfi you werent at all like us ranger
Why do i always see these threads after the race..Wake the fack up moono wake the fackk uppp!!!!!! Great tipping whoever tipped it..
This is the report from his win at Fonty last year:
Makfi (Dubawi) showed himself to be a serious colt in the 24,000 Prix du Loing (2yo Males-1400m). Matthieu Offenstadts charge sat on the rail in 6th position and had no difficulty seeing off the challenge of Allesson (Ransom OWar) in the straight. The favourite took his time to find his action, and drifted slightly coming up the middle of the straight, but made up ground on the winner in the dying strides.
Makfi (Dubawi) showed himself to be a serious colt in the 24,000 Prix du Loing (2yo Males-1400m). Matthieu Offenstadts charge sat on the rail in 6th position and had no difficulty seeing off the challenge of Allesson (Ransom OWar) in the straight. The favourite took his time to find his action, and drifted slightly coming up the middle of the straight, but made up ground on the winner in the dying strides.
hope everyone won plenty, very nice horse there ;)
Headmaster, well done Sir, congrats other winners on here too. First time I seen this thread too, still enjoyed reading it..bravo!
yes, well done winners - please can somebody point me in the direction of 1,000 Guineas equivalent thread?
Headmaster - go and stand in the corner for the rest of the day
and count your winnings. Superb tipping. Congratulations, I don't bet on the flat but this thread made very pleasant reading. Well done to Kev and other followers too.
and count your winnings. Superb tipping. Congratulations, I don't bet on the flat but this thread made very pleasant reading. Well done to Kev and other followers too.
Headmaster and Kev....credit to you both,well done,there are some clever people on here .......sometimes!
Thanks to all ('specially the dancing bear) and wd fellow Makfi backers. Knew the jockey was top class....it appears the trainer and horse are too.
Bit of a sore head this morning :(
Bit of a sore head this morning :(
Yep. Well done to all the backers. I read this thread but was dissapointed when I saw the horse in the paddock. Still couldnt back it today even though I know it won. Funny game innit.
Brilliant HM!! A well deserved hangover!! These winners stay with you for ever
It is my belief that DUBAWI lost the 2000gns because he was not given a prep, beforehand, the going had nothing to do with his loss.
An acceptance of being human and fallible is not a trait that godolphin and their employees, own up to, until they become more
flexible in their methods they will NOT reach the heights they aim for.
Could do better.
An acceptance of being human and fallible is not a trait that godolphin and their employees, own up to, until they become more
flexible in their methods they will NOT reach the heights they aim for.
Could do better.
I did not read this thread and therefore did not back him, but to those who did, very well done, have as long as I can remember made a point of perusing MOST foreign trained horses, yet never even ackowledged this horse, I blame on my age and less of a grasp than when younger.
Well done all who profitted.
Well done all who profitted.
Taken a while to post, yesterday and last night was one long alcoholic celebration.
Backed the winner at average of 80-1 and laid **SYWOO £200 on the Montjeu horse that was never going to stay.
How do you want to pay **SYWOO?
Backed the winner at average of 80-1 and laid **SYWOO £200 on the Montjeu horse that was never going to stay.
How do you want to pay **SYWOO?
Apols **SYWOO - just seen other thread. Will email.
One last chance to pay my respects to the French ace....
Makfi, this year's 2000 Guineas hero, has been retired to stud after suffering a bout of ringworm.
The Mikel Delzangles-trained three-year-old was a hugely impressive winner of the Newmarket Classic in May, and enjoyed further Group One glory by defeating the might Goldikova in the Prix Jacques le Marois at Deauville.
Although he was disappointing in the Queen Elizabeth II Stakes at Ascot last month, connections had been considering a possible trip to the Breeders' Cup.
He will instead take up stallion duties at Tweenhills Stud in Gloucestershire.
"He came back from Ascot with a little bit of ringworm from Ascot and he has been retired to stud," confirmed Delzangles.
"He's been a great horse to train this season and we have had a great year.
"It will be difficult to find another one like him, but we will try."
"It will be difficult to find another one like him, but we will try." You're not wrong there, Mikel
Makfi, this year's 2000 Guineas hero, has been retired to stud after suffering a bout of ringworm.
The Mikel Delzangles-trained three-year-old was a hugely impressive winner of the Newmarket Classic in May, and enjoyed further Group One glory by defeating the might Goldikova in the Prix Jacques le Marois at Deauville.
Although he was disappointing in the Queen Elizabeth II Stakes at Ascot last month, connections had been considering a possible trip to the Breeders' Cup.
He will instead take up stallion duties at Tweenhills Stud in Gloucestershire.
"He came back from Ascot with a little bit of ringworm from Ascot and he has been retired to stud," confirmed Delzangles.
"He's been a great horse to train this season and we have had a great year.
"It will be difficult to find another one like him, but we will try."
"It will be difficult to find another one like him, but we will try." You're not wrong there, Mikel
Super horse, helped me out a couple of times over the season, happy retirement big fella.
Wonderfully uncomplicated horse on a straight track!!! He made my 2010 flat season start with a bang!!! To beat Goldi was no mean feat either! Sad to see him not carry on racing!!!
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