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Wild Outside = Makfi. The frenchies know. ;)
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bestmate 28 Apr 22:46 Can't believe NM narrows it down to Hannon's runners in today's WE I am starting to believe it!! Clearly Dick the value now. Going to back it. |
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Not convinced DT wants a mile personally
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Is it possible Dick Turpin is an early season horse? Or are those runs in Group 1 company as good as he is?
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ben is correct
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C2
DT is a no hoper for me. Can't see his dad producing a classic winner I haven't ruled out CC yet |
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Bestmate
The more I look the more open this race is. The only thing I am convinced of is that at the prices the fav is a lay. Others of interest are Hearts of Fire, Xtension and Al Zir Gonna be a good one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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DT didn't stay 7f as a 2yo, and only stayed 7f beating two 6f horses lto.
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St Nicholas Abbey might win but less than 6/4 in a 19 runner field is terrible. Realistically he would need a winning form line with the other low priced horses to justify it.
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kinksem
I am not sure if you are joking, however I will rise to the bait. St Nick has excellent form lines to nearly all the other runners. He has absolutely thrashed 2 of them including the second favourite, and through the second holds everything else on form by around 10 lbs. |
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isnt gonna stay, simple!!!
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tbf to mordin, he said paco boy would stay last year before the queen anne and he was right.
what hughes said immediately after the coventry stuck in my mind. he said that canford was the best horse he ever rode. after just winning the queen anne on paco boy, thats some praise. |
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Canford's racing style nothing like Paco Boy's nor is his depth of form. I've always said Paco Boy would be fine over a mile, you can find the threads on here.
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Richard Hannon (0-2-16) hasn't won the race since 1990 and has only seen 2 of his 16 runners make the places since 2000. Canford Cliffs in July Cup = NAP !
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St Nicholas Abbey's form lines to the others rest on the Racing Post Trophy win as far as I can see. That was on good/soft and the early pace was slow. He holds Elusive Pimpernel and Al Zir on that. I suppose EP holds Poet's Voice as he beat him two months earlier on g/f. Al Zir beat two horses in his previous race. And we know that EP beat Dancing David again in the Craven.
You can connect Xtension to Canford Cliffs, CC with Dick Turpin, DT and Xtension to the Dewhurst horses, but how do you compare the Racing Post form to the Dewhurst? But the question for me is "Do the race conditions of the 2000 guineas suit the favourite?" The 2000 will probably be run at a fast pace on good/firm, and the field has matured from 2-y-o to 3-y-o. Is 6+ month old form still relevant? There are a lot of variables and I think less than 6/4 about a Derby pedigree horse in the 2000 Guineas is terrible. It is a poor return for the risks. All of SNAs times were slowish, and he hasn't run on firm. His pedigree is for 10f /12f with cut in the ground. |
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11/1 on hear now.
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While the very early pace may have been slow in the RPT, I find it hard to believe that anybody can think it was a falsely run race. You only have to watch the video to see that it didn't develop into a 2f sprint. Also the style of the victory, beaten distances and imo fast time under the conditions all point to a result that was in no way affected by lack of pace. I think anybody who thinks SNA will struggle to keep up with a faster early pace is clutching at straws.
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how can anyone say that canford doesn't stay seven is joking fastest greenham time ever pulling 6 clear of arcano and wasn't even fit
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all about opinions.
arcano not good enough to be entered so wouldnt be quoting that form line too much. plus he hung like a monkey and was beaten lto. gl with ur bets |
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out to 13 on here very weak
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A good read.
We all remember Ravens Pass fondly :x |
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Canford sniff
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Canford Sh1t
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who's place laying then ? own up
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who's **cing backing him to place at 9/4 ?????????? , OWN UP!!!!!!!
more like imo ;) yes ive laid him at over 2's |
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My hero, great race from stall 4. Where do they go next?
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Hope they go for the Golden Jubilee and not the ST James Palace.
I guess the Jersey could be possible as he'd be a certainty - then on to the July Cup and Nunthorpe (the same as Mozart) |
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pulled early and finished 3rd. He stays ,we can put that to bed. UL place layers
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He'd be a certainty in the GJ imo B-)
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fair play to Mordin there.
think he's a cert for the Jubilee myself. |
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Gunny knows B-)
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jubilee - canford
kings stand - overdose :p |
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he pulled early...but if they went a good gallop from the off...he may well have felt it more late on....did he truly stay or does his proximity at the end show just how pedestrian it was early on.....ran a great race when all said and done.
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This is where Hannon can earn his training fees If he can get that horse to switch off and settle he can win good races over a mile and not just the obvious 7 furlongs
Paco Boy anyone ? :D |
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I agree entirely with nibbledat :)
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Surely St James Palace Stakes will be easier race for him
9/1 on here looks good value? |
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Overdose and Canford are my 2 favouritest horses at the mo :x
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he's a sprinter out of the top drawer who's class got him home well over a mile
hacks up in the GJ :) |
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And he didn't dive sharp left! Just remembered. WD Hannon if he corrected that ;)
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Emma Spencer confirms the St. James Palace for CC
Rubs hands. :D |