Harbinger

crufts :p

Coronation Cup maybe although he doesn't leap out as an Epsom type. Hardwicke Stakes seems a logical option.

Heven't seen the race to be honest, is it worthy of an Arc entry?

platinni 17 Apr 14:01


like harbinger here

plat should be race planner

Ormonde Stakes was tout as the next possible target.

Yes Chester as he won there last year.

Gun, you know what Harbinger means ..

Cheers.

Have to say that the fact the Stoute yard isn't exactly firing makes the performance even more impressive. Going to be tough to beat this season.

no sint?

Messenger of Doom or something like that

:|

Imo,this horse won't win a Group1,if it does i'll be the first to put my hands up,but can't see it.

why?

Well he's beaten nothing really. It was a wide-open betting contest and there were so few proper horses in there. The only proper Group 1 horse was very unfit and hated the ground while Allied Powers also finished out the back. Also why bother running him in the Ormonde when the Coronation Cup's only 3 weeks later?

Allied Powers was just outclassed wasn't he?

Manifest has always been well regarded, be interestng to see how the form works out.

At least Allied Powers was considered good enough for a 12f Group 1. That's a lot better than Manifest or any of the others have run in.

yeah and he was beaten about 20 lengths.

Like I say time will tell how the form works out, but he looked different class to them anyway.

Allied Powers has won some handicaps.If Harbinger and Manifest are not better horses than him I'll jack it in.

King George horse imo

TD_Gunner 17 Apr 20:04
yeah and he was beaten about 20 lengths.

Like I say time will tell how the form works out, but he looked different class to them anyway.

TODAY

Anyone getting too carried away should remember BRUSH ASIDE

Looks a bit too workmanlike to beat the top in the 12f div...got to be someone faster out there.

Brush Aside ?

He only ever ran once more because of injury didn't he ?
What's the connection with Harbinger apart from winning today's race ?

John Porter is generally a mix of progressive handicappers from previous season along with G3 performers with Q marks. So apart from the the quality of the field, the similarity with Brush Aside is that Harbinger is by all accounts a very delicate sort who could just blow put next time.

"by all accounts " according to whom ?

No real evidence for that in his form. Only ever run one bad race.

When he ran at Chester there were reports that he had been difficult to train ( as opposed to solely mature). Furthermore, that York performance was a real stinker. How many promising types have ran a no race in that event and turned into G1's at 4.

Not that it has anything to do with Harbinger's future career but Papal Bull and Stage Gift are 2 who ran stinkers in the GV and went on to win G2'S and go close in G1's.

Papal Bull had always evidently been a gem at home with a dodgy mind - when he made his racecourse debut Fallon was at Haydock for the G1 sprint and flew down to Newmarket to ride him. He was a registered iffy minder before that York run. My original point is simply not to get carried away with early season G3's, and I used Brush Aside as an example with him being a JP winner too, and having probs at home.

King George winner imo

No one is getting carried away, we are just questioning why people are saying he won't win group 1's.