Chapple Hyam has pretty much echoed what I just said. 16/1 is a joke price, but hes a nice horse and could now be aimed at the Racing Post Trophy, or will wait for next year.

the second horse is every bit as likely to win the derby next year queen hayley gave it a shocking ride imo the 16to1 for the winner is surely a contender for worst price of the decade

I am no great race reader, so take these comments with care. I did see the last 2f of his victory on ATR and tbh couldn't see how he was more than 2l better than the 2nd and 3rd. The TV people said he is unfurnished and would improve, but I wouldn't bet on that. IMO he won't win more than 2 more races of modest class.

How many Derby winners start off running over 1 mile as 2yos ? I am sure CC has the stamina for the Derby , but does he have the speed to win ?

Sinndar, Galileo, Motivator, Authorized...

Dancing Brave didn't win the Derby

Brodie 15 Sep 23:01
Dancing Brave didn't win the Derby

Ok Shahrastani then ;)

Tactician did not do alot for the form of CC today.

Wasn't at all impressed by debut win and will be place laying if it turns up in the RP trophy.

Undoubtedly too short a price but a bit hasty to judge him on the evidence of one slowly run debut.

good boost for him yesterday Morana winning the Group 3 at Ascot. Cant get near him on the gallops

^ My thoughts exactly. Straight away you think Winker Watson with this trainer

Went to Meehan briefly but been retired to stud now so maybe had a setback.

which Stud in their right mind would stand that heap of junk?

The same one who thinks they can charge 3.5k per covering!

Here's the articles:

Winker joins Meehan in attempt to revive career

WINKER WATSON has left Peter Chapple-Hyam's Newmarket base and been sent to Brian Meehan in a bid to revive the fortunes of the talented but frustrating colt.

The son of Piccolo has failed to get his head in front in seven starts since winning the Group 2 TNT July Stakes in 2007 and his owners, the Comic Strip Heros, are hoping that a change of scenery will help him to replicate his morning work on the racecourse.

Part-owner Andrew Black said: "He went to Manton earlier this week. Pete and Brian are pretty good mates and I already have horses with Brian."

After a three-year-old career in which he failed to win in four starts, Winker Watson was the subject of rave reviews on the gallops earlierthis year where he was repeatedly catching pigeons but he has so far failed to deliver in three starts, including on his seasonal reappearance in a Warwick conditions race where he finished fourth of five having been sent off at 8-15.

Black continued: "Pete thought a change of scenery might work. He is a real morning glory horse. He looks immortal on the gallops and then on the track he travels well but never puts it in at the end.

"When you have a horse like this you know you are kind of beaten but you don't want to give up although you have to accept that the chances of him turning around are pretty slim."

Peter Chapple-Hyam says there is no ill-feeling between himself and Winker Watson's connections saying: "It was my suggestion to move him. You have to do what is best for the horse, not what is best for yourself."

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Winker Watson retired to Norman Court Stud
By Martin Stevens3.01PM 9 OCT 2009

WINKER WATSON, one of the leading two-year-olds of the 2007 Flat season, has been retired to stand at Norman Court Stud near Salisbury, where he will begin his career as a stallion next year at a fee of £3,500.

The 16.1hh son of Piccolo was purchased as a yearling for 56,000gns by Blandford Bloodstock on behalf of The Comic Strip Heroes syndicate, who named him after a character in The Dandy.

Trained by Peter Chapple-Hyam, he was unbeaten as a juvenile, winning his maiden over 5f at Newbury, the Norfolk Stakes at Royal Ascot, and the July Stakes, in which he produced a devastating turn of foot to overcome a low draw and come from last to first to score. He was also carrying a 3lb penalty in the Newmarket Group 2 event.

Those efforts earned him a Racing Post Rating of 116 and quotes as low as 10-1 in ante-post betting lists for the 2,000 Guineas. Though he missed the first Classic of the season, he posted a highly creditable effort when beaten three and a half lengths into fourth by Henrythenavigator in the Sussex Stakes. This year he has failed to find his true form, finishing unplaced in three starts.

Norman Court Stud co-owner Tania Trant said: "Winker Watson showed outstanding form as a two-year-old, with two Group 2 wins to his credit, and he was a worthy fancy for the 2,000 Guineas.

"He is a nice, strong individual, tidy and well put-together. He was described by Peter Chapple-Hyam as one of the best two-year-olds he had ever trained, while his regular jockey Jimmy Fortune said he was genuine with lots of speed. We feel that his nomination fee of £3,500 is highly competitive."

Winker Watson joins 2006 St Leger hero Sixties Icon, who covered his first book of mares this year, and fellow Group 1 winner Imperial Dancer onthe Norman Court Stud stallion roster.



Don't know who else the stud stands but they must be desperate!

Not really when you take into account costs of keeping the foal and mare. Plus the fact there's a good chance that a horse just won't make the grade and is therefore worthless, especially with a poorer sire.

WD Perp

:)

Looks like it was a wise switch

incredible scenes!

a few people on here are looking very silly now arent they .