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:^0 good start Gunny
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A pleasing start to the thread.
Only bets I've had are Azmeel and Workforce both from last season. :| |
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Sorry, Gun - had to be Jesus on a Sunday imo :)
Couldn't name a single flat horse, tbh :| |
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Had a little on Commissionaire of Gosdens @ silly prices, only won a maiden but @ 200+ worth a few quid
The other one I like is Fencing Master, who ran a cracker on his 2nd start in the Dewhurst. SNA will be odds on if he turns up, but cannot be 100% confident he will turn up. . |
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Do like Fencing Master to,but Derby imo.
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You really think he'll be odds on TV ?
THink they're gunna be all out for him to win the Guineas/Derby double after what happened last season..... Likes of Canford and Arcano will make it interesting |
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Arcano will p1ss up imo (*possible uninformed/drunken claim imo) :0
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not interested
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Whats going to beat him??
2nd favs a sprinter isnt he. Awzaan & Arcano only raced over 6F, need to prove they stay. Elusive Pimp Derby shirley. Workforce could be an e/w @ 20/1 & Alf Nobel on his work earlier looked well @ 33/1. Plenty of water to flow yet though. |
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Nib :^0
Why you not interested?? |
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will start getting interested once punchestown is out of the way :)
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Depends if O'Brien goes into hype mode, could be the best they've ever had with the speed to win the July Cup ;\
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When is the Guineas iyo ?;|
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first weekend in May?
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TD
Or he stays real well and could win the Leger :^0 |
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1st may
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steinbeck snaffle job
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non runner myth
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If Steinbeck turns up Im never betting again, sick of all this guff hes out/in.
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*sorry and wins
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non-runner? like binocular, solwhit, punchestowns and forpaddy were non-runners?
dont believe a word of it ;) |
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good luck mp B-)
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anyone know what the Godolphin horses are for the 2000?
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Kingsfort shortest in the betting, but haven't heard anything recent ...
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Godolphin dont get going till June/July do they??
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Not usually TV
I'm on Canford Cliffs as well (nicked 16s couple of minutes after the Coventry), think he lines up in the Greenham as a prep. |
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I think people are writing off Canford Cliffs a bit too easy saying he's just a sprinter.His Coventry win with Xtension way back is top form and connections feel he'll stay the trip.They thought that he was wrong in France later and yet was only just beat by Arcano and Special Duty who a lot of people think is home and hosed for the 1000G.Of course there is a doubt about the trip but it is factored into the price.I think he will give SNA most to do.
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Good point TMB, there was a definite lack of confidence going into the Morny which was strange after Ascot. I think he's got a good chance.
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KINGSFORT ONLY HAS TO TURN UP I AM TOLD WHAT MORE CAN I SAY
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TMB: To be fair, though, Xtension's performance in the Coventry (where he finished ahead of the disappointing Rakaan, Moran Gra and Treadwell) was nowhere near as good as his later efforts over 7f (most notably his third in the Dewhurst). Make no mistake, I'm a fan of Canford Cliffs and he was very impressive at Ascot (where he landed me a nice ante-post touch at 16/1), but that Coventry form is not as strong as it looked at the time (the 3rd, 4th and 5th are the best guide to the level of the form) and it's quite possible that his Prix Morny third is as good as he is, regardless of what the connections say. As far as his stamina is concerned, I cannot believe that a son of Tagula will ever win the Guineas: the overwhelming majority of his best offspring are 6-7f horses and CC fits that mould perfectly. He may well win the Greenham, but he'll probably be running on empty in the final furlong of the Guineas and he's likely to be swallowed up by the true milers/stayers like St Nicholas Abbey.
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Im on Pounced £100 e/w at 50/1. Got that after his Ascot debut but before his Newbury maiden win and subsequent Group race runs.
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I think that is the way it will pan out James.Have just been reading my racehorses annual and there is some hope that CC can stay the trip on his dams side.I also think that he looked a horse with tremendous scope although i do concede that I have not seen him in the flesh.I asked SOF about SNA's confirmation and he gave the horse a glowing reference.Paddock inspection a must for me on the day of the race.Have been the last few years and most of the winners have looked streets ahead in the ring.
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I remember you saying Lozzy that Pounced was Gosden's best juvenile and he certainly did the business for you in the States.
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Is Pounced not being aimed at the Kentucky Derby Lozzy ?
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james, I understand you doubting Tagula can produce a guineas winner but there is more stamina on the dams side and R.Hannon jnr has said CC will "definitely" get the mile. I think he's got a pretty good shot.
SNA may well use the guineas as a prep for the derby, he'll come around 4th, Aiden will say how pleased he was with the run and anyone who's backed him will be tearing their hair out. |
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I cannot think of another horse who has shown blinding acceleration outside CC and SNA in last years 2yo races.I know you need to stay but you must have the necessary speed as well.
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yes, I just think SNA is terrible value for the reasons outlined above. I'm also on Awzaan who I think has shown a really good cruising speed. As always, too much guesswork involved to be too confident.
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Richie-O, re: the stamina on the dam's side of Canford Cliffs' pedigree. His dam Mrs Marsh is an unraced half-sister to Baltic Dip (who, although by Derby winner Benny The Dip, was a 6f winner and seemed not to stay 7f+ when tried at longer trips), Pina Colada (a 5f winner by Sabrehill, who later raced over longer trips in the US), Trois (a multiple 9f winner on the all-weather) and Triple Sharp (a 10f winner on the flat and winning hurdler). Mrs Marsh's dam Drei (by Lyphard out of Triple Tipple) was a once-raced maiden (finishing 4th in a mile maiden at Yarmouth, where she made no progress in the last 2f). I think it's fair to say that the dam's side of CC's pedigree is 'mixed', to say the least: it throws up a mixture of sprint winners and 9-10f horses. CC's half-brother Zeeran (by Barathea) was such a modest performer that it's anybody's guess what his 'trip' may have been, but there was nothing in his seven racecourse appearances to suggest that he would have stayed a mile. CC shapes like a typical son of Tagula - he has shown loads of speed as a juvenile, may just about get 7f, but is highly unlikely (in my opinion) to last a mile in Group 1 company, despite the connections' protestations to the contrary. I will be looking to lay him if he shortens in the betting after the Greenham.
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