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Report Deep Impact March 21, 2010 5:18 PM GMT
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Report turnip turns March 21, 2010 5:19 PM GMT
:^0 good start Gunny
Report TD_Gunner March 21, 2010 5:19 PM GMT
A pleasing start to the thread.

Only bets I've had are Azmeel and Workforce both from last season. :|
Report Deep Impact March 21, 2010 5:23 PM GMT
Sorry, Gun - had to be Jesus on a Sunday imo :)

Couldn't name a single flat horse, tbh :|
Report Terry Venables March 21, 2010 5:25 PM GMT
Had a little on Commissionaire of Gosdens @ silly prices, only won a maiden but @ 200+ worth a few quid

The other one I like is Fencing Master, who ran a cracker on his 2nd start in the Dewhurst.

SNA will be odds on if he turns up, but cannot be 100% confident he will turn up.

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Report turnip turns March 21, 2010 5:26 PM GMT
Do like Fencing Master to,but Derby imo.
Report TD_Gunner March 21, 2010 5:27 PM GMT
You really think he'll be odds on TV ?

THink they're gunna be all out for him to win the Guineas/Derby double after what happened last season.....

Likes of Canford and Arcano will make it interesting
Report Deep Impact March 21, 2010 5:29 PM GMT
Arcano will p1ss up imo (*possible uninformed/drunken claim imo) :0
Report nibbledat March 21, 2010 5:29 PM GMT
not interested
Report Terry Venables March 21, 2010 5:32 PM GMT
Whats going to beat him??

2nd favs a sprinter isnt he.

Awzaan & Arcano only raced over 6F, need to prove they stay.

Elusive Pimp Derby shirley.

Workforce could be an e/w @ 20/1 & Alf Nobel on his work earlier looked well @ 33/1.

Plenty of water to flow yet though.
Report Terry Venables March 21, 2010 5:32 PM GMT
Nib :^0

Why you not interested??
Report nibbledat March 21, 2010 5:33 PM GMT
will start getting interested once punchestown is out of the way :)
Report TD_Gunner March 21, 2010 5:33 PM GMT
Depends if O'Brien goes into hype mode, could be the best they've ever had with the speed to win the July Cup ;\
Report Deep Impact March 21, 2010 5:33 PM GMT
When is the Guineas iyo ?;|
Report TD_Gunner March 21, 2010 5:34 PM GMT
first weekend in May?
Report Terry Venables March 21, 2010 5:34 PM GMT
TD

Or he stays real well and could win the Leger :^0
Report nibbledat March 21, 2010 5:35 PM GMT
1st may
Report mythical prince March 21, 2010 5:36 PM GMT
steinbeck snaffle job
Report TD_Gunner March 21, 2010 5:37 PM GMT
non runner myth
Report Terry Venables March 21, 2010 5:38 PM GMT
If Steinbeck turns up Im never betting again, sick of all this guff hes out/in.
Report Terry Venables March 21, 2010 5:38 PM GMT
*sorry and wins
Report mythical prince March 21, 2010 5:44 PM GMT
non-runner? like binocular, solwhit, punchestowns and forpaddy were non-runners?

dont believe a word of it ;)
Report TD_Gunner March 21, 2010 5:45 PM GMT
good luck mp B-)
Report Haveit March 21, 2010 5:46 PM GMT
anyone know what the Godolphin horses are for the 2000?
Report TD_Gunner March 21, 2010 5:48 PM GMT
Kingsfort shortest in the betting, but haven't heard anything recent ...
Report Terry Venables March 21, 2010 5:51 PM GMT
Godolphin dont get going till June/July do they??
Report TD_Gunner March 21, 2010 5:55 PM GMT
Not usually TV

I'm on Canford Cliffs as well (nicked 16s couple of minutes after the Coventry), think he lines up in the Greenham as a prep.
Report Try My Best March 21, 2010 7:23 PM GMT
I think people are writing off Canford Cliffs a bit too easy saying he's just a sprinter.His Coventry win with Xtension way back is top form and connections feel he'll stay the trip.They thought that he was wrong in France later and yet was only just beat by Arcano and Special Duty who a lot of people think is home and hosed for the 1000G.Of course there is a doubt about the trip but it is factored into the price.I think he will give SNA most to do.
Report Richie-O March 21, 2010 8:10 PM GMT
Good point TMB, there was a definite lack of confidence going into the Morny which was strange after Ascot. I think he's got a good chance.
Report thePunterwithnoMONEY March 21, 2010 8:12 PM GMT
KINGSFORT ONLY HAS TO TURN UP I AM TOLD WHAT MORE CAN I SAY
Report jamesp March 21, 2010 8:28 PM GMT
TMB: To be fair, though, Xtension's performance in the Coventry (where he finished ahead of the disappointing Rakaan, Moran Gra and Treadwell) was nowhere near as good as his later efforts over 7f (most notably his third in the Dewhurst). Make no mistake, I'm a fan of Canford Cliffs and he was very impressive at Ascot (where he landed me a nice ante-post touch at 16/1), but that Coventry form is not as strong as it looked at the time (the 3rd, 4th and 5th are the best guide to the level of the form) and it's quite possible that his Prix Morny third is as good as he is, regardless of what the connections say. As far as his stamina is concerned, I cannot believe that a son of Tagula will ever win the Guineas: the overwhelming majority of his best offspring are 6-7f horses and CC fits that mould perfectly. He may well win the Greenham, but he'll probably be running on empty in the final furlong of the Guineas and he's likely to be swallowed up by the true milers/stayers like St Nicholas Abbey.
Report Lozzy March 21, 2010 9:02 PM GMT
Im on Pounced £100 e/w at 50/1. Got that after his Ascot debut but before his Newbury maiden win and subsequent Group race runs.
Report Try My Best March 21, 2010 9:06 PM GMT
I think that is the way it will pan out James.Have just been reading my racehorses annual and there is some hope that CC can stay the trip on his dams side.I also think that he looked a horse with tremendous scope although i do concede that I have not seen him in the flesh.I asked SOF about SNA's confirmation and he gave the horse a glowing reference.Paddock inspection a must for me on the day of the race.Have been the last few years and most of the winners have looked streets ahead in the ring.
Report Try My Best March 21, 2010 9:12 PM GMT
I remember you saying Lozzy that Pounced was Gosden's best juvenile and he certainly did the business for you in the States.
Report TD_Gunner March 21, 2010 9:26 PM GMT
Is Pounced not being aimed at the Kentucky Derby Lozzy ?
Report Richie-O March 21, 2010 10:19 PM GMT
james, I understand you doubting Tagula can produce a guineas winner but there is more stamina on the dams side and R.Hannon jnr has said CC will "definitely" get the mile. I think he's got a pretty good shot.
SNA may well use the guineas as a prep for the derby, he'll come around 4th, Aiden will say how pleased he was with the run and anyone who's backed him will be tearing their hair out.
Report Try My Best March 21, 2010 10:24 PM GMT
I cannot think of another horse who has shown blinding acceleration outside CC and SNA in last years 2yo races.I know you need to stay but you must have the necessary speed as well.
Report Richie-O March 21, 2010 10:33 PM GMT
yes, I just think SNA is terrible value for the reasons outlined above. I'm also on Awzaan who I think has shown a really good cruising speed. As always, too much guesswork involved to be too confident.
Report jamesp March 22, 2010 7:15 AM GMT
Richie-O, re: the stamina on the dam's side of Canford Cliffs' pedigree. His dam Mrs Marsh is an unraced half-sister to Baltic Dip (who, although by Derby winner Benny The Dip, was a 6f winner and seemed not to stay 7f+ when tried at longer trips), Pina Colada (a 5f winner by Sabrehill, who later raced over longer trips in the US), Trois (a multiple 9f winner on the all-weather) and Triple Sharp (a 10f winner on the flat and winning hurdler). Mrs Marsh's dam Drei (by Lyphard out of Triple Tipple) was a once-raced maiden (finishing 4th in a mile maiden at Yarmouth, where she made no progress in the last 2f). I think it's fair to say that the dam's side of CC's pedigree is 'mixed', to say the least: it throws up a mixture of sprint winners and 9-10f horses. CC's half-brother Zeeran (by Barathea) was such a modest performer that it's anybody's guess what his 'trip' may have been, but there was nothing in his seven racecourse appearances to suggest that he would have stayed a mile. CC shapes like a typical son of Tagula - he has shown loads of speed as a juvenile, may just about get 7f, but is highly unlikely (in my opinion) to last a mile in Group 1 company, despite the connections' protestations to the contrary. I will be looking to lay him if he shortens in the betting after the Greenham.
Report jamesp March 22, 2010 7:17 AM GMT
SNA has exactly what I look for in a Guineas winner - a great cruising speed, a devastating turn of foot and sheer class.
Report Richie-O March 22, 2010 10:21 AM GMT
Yes but SNA is 5/2, are you backing him at those odds? Re CC, I understand doubting he'll get a mile at Grp1 but I don't think you can say with any certainty that he won't. And you have to treat connections comments with caution, I agree. Anyway, good luck james, nice debating with you
Report redal2 March 22, 2010 10:29 AM GMT
I must admit that I'm in the CC camp. I got the big prices for the Coventry after his debut (not aftertiming as I posted that at the time), and after the Coventry I took the 16s from Joe C. I lost in France but the race has turned out to be better than I thought at the time so hopes rekindled. I'm torn though as I think jamesp may well be right. CC may stay the mile but well enough at Group 1 level? Will he be able to quicken or have nothing left to do so? Still I nailed my colours to the mast all those months ago so despite the doubts I shall stand my bet and not look to lay off but rather look for an alternative nearer the time as a saver.
Report redal2 March 22, 2010 10:34 AM GMT
And of course the Morny form augurs well for SD in the 1000 :-)
Report cantwinwontwin March 22, 2010 11:06 AM GMT
Had a little bit on Classic Calori, was told he was aiming for this at the beginning of the season, Saturdays win wasn't too bad with the traffic he had to come through. 130's still seems a little bit of value.
Report downallstar March 22, 2010 11:21 AM GMT
Cape Blanco for me.
SNA is a lay.
Will give reasons later.
Report torres_1982 March 22, 2010 11:40 AM GMT
Why not give reasons now Allstar?
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Report Prescription Drugs March 23, 2010 11:10 AM GMT
Not saying he'll be good enough but INLER very interesting for 2010.
Report Lozzy March 27, 2010 9:00 PM GMT
Not sure TD Gunner. I am hoping obviously that he turns up for Newmarket, but he will need fast ground.
Report BJG March 28, 2010 3:33 PM BST
Nice form boost there down B-)
Report downallstar March 28, 2010 3:33 PM BST
B-)
Report the lay preacher March 28, 2010 3:38 PM BST
canford cliffs will need cut in the ground if he is to win a guineas it

will be at the curragh imo .

the fast ground done for him in the prix morny.
Report Deep Impact March 28, 2010 3:39 PM BST
Who gives a fcuk ?:|
Report Prima Donna March 28, 2010 4:31 PM BST
plenty on here.
Report Terry Venables March 28, 2010 4:40 PM BST
the lay preacher 28 Mar 15:38
canford cliffs will need cut in the ground if he is to win a guineas it

will be at the curragh imo .

the fast ground done for him in the prix morny.




Deep Impact 28 Mar 15:39
Who gives a fcuk


Canford Cliffs nice orse en all that, but is there a bus he can jump on 2F out??

Wont stay will it??
Report Prima Donna March 28, 2010 4:45 PM BST
I dont think he will stay a mile imo Rock City the 2nd.
Report Terry Venables March 28, 2010 4:46 PM BST
What you like Prima??
Report Prima Donna March 28, 2010 4:49 PM BST
I like SNA cant see what will beat him,at best a place for CC.
Report Deep Impact March 28, 2010 5:05 PM BST
Sorry, lads - Classics talk bores me to tears :| Multiple entries, who rides who, gallops reports etc. - tend to deal with the race on the day, tbh as it's impossible to know how horses have progresed from 2 to 3 (unless seen on a racecourse prior to the day). The guesswork, whispers, smoke/mirrors etc. drives me mad & i will try to refrain commenting on Guineas-related thread until the final field is known :)
Report the lay preacher March 28, 2010 5:15 PM BST
not sure if it will stay or not but i am sure he needs softish ground.
Report Benjy March 28, 2010 6:18 PM BST
More for the Derby but any opinions on Zeitoper? Is he being aimed at either race or is he going abroad? Not quoted by many bookies.
Report jamesp March 28, 2010 6:30 PM BST
Zeitoper is not being aimed at the Guineas, he's bred to be well suited by 10-12 furlongs. No specific plans for this horse at present.
Report downallstar March 28, 2010 7:45 PM BST
Jan Vermeer still not certain to run in Guineas

BY BRIAN FLEMING 6:07PM 28 MAR 2010

JAN VERMEER, as short as 14-1 for the StanJames.com 2,000 Guineas, is back in light work, but whether he makes it to Newmarket on May 1 is still uncertain according to trainer Aidan O'Brien.

Winner of the Group 1 Criterium International at Saint Cloud in November, Jan Vermeer, who is second favourite behind stablemate St Nicholas Abbey for the Investec Derby, suffered a slight setback which put him on the easy list recently.
"Nothing has changed with Jan Vermeer and we don't know whether he'll make the Guineas," O'Brien said on Sunday. "He's back in light work and only time will tell if he catches up in time."

St Nicholas Abbey is also favourite for the 2,000 Guineasand O'Brien, who confirmed Steinbeck will not run in the season's opening Classic, reported no such problems since he worked after racing at the Curragh last Sunday.

He said: "All is well with St Nicholas Abbey and as I said before Steinbeck won't run in the English Guineas. At this stage we don't know where he'll run next."
Report JohnMagnier/JohnMurtagh/AOB 10 March 28, 2010 7:49 PM BST
Jan Vermeer for the Guineas?

Are they Crazy....can't believe their contemplating it tbh
Report mike hunt March 28, 2010 7:54 PM BST
bluster - they know he will go for Epsom... marketeering!!!
Report king_james18 March 28, 2010 7:59 PM BST
dynasty ;)
Report Graeme83 March 28, 2010 8:11 PM BST
I still wouldn't be laying at the odds that others have. They ran RVW in the guineas and derby last season. Who's to say they won't run both SNA and Jan Vermeer in both ?
Report Graeme83 March 29, 2010 4:06 PM BST
Richard Hannon firmly believes Canford Cliffs will take all the beating in the StanJames.com 2000 Guineas.

The East Everleigh handler is not fazed by all the talk about ante-post favourite St Nicholas Abbey ahead of the Newmarket Classic in May.

And he reports last summer's Coventry Stakes winner, who has not raced since finishing a close third in the Prix Morny, to be on course to reappear in the Greenham Stakes at Newbury next month.

"He has strengthened up and started to fill his frame, and, more significantly, he is looking much more relaxed than he was last season," he told his website, www.richardhannonracing.tv.

"He has done a couple of proper bits of work and will do another one later in the week, and we could not be happier with him.

"Nothing was able to give him a tow in the Coventry, but we think he will be better when he gets a lead, and, while some professionals are suggesting that he will prove a sprinter, we don't see the Guineas mile being a problem.

"We all think that he is the real deal and the best we have ever had on the place in 40 years.

"We might possibly take him to Kempton for a spin on the Polytrack, but the plan is definitely to go for the Greenham, and then all roads will hopefully lead to Newmarket."

Hannon has both Ryan Moore and Jimmy Fortune on standby should stable jockey Richard Hughes be unsuccessful in his appeal against a suspension that would mean him missing the Guineas.

"If there is any justice Hughesie, who was putting the welfare of King Supreme first at Kempton, will win his appeal, but we won't be losing any sleep about jockeys, and Ryan Moore and Jimmy Fortune have both been down to ride out recently," Hannon remarked.

The trainer also had news of several of his other 2000 entries, Dick Turpin, Lucky General and Carnaby Street, plus the speedy Monsieur Chevalier.

"Dick Turpin has also done very well through the winter," Hannon revealed.

"He was a big two-year-old, so he was always going to improve, and, though we had to take our time with him because of the wet weather, he is going well, and, he, too, could go for the Greenham. It is not ideal running both, but they have different owners, and Newbury is the perfect place to start.

"No decision has been about where to kick off with Lucky General, but Carnaby Street could represent us in the Craven, and he is another who has thrived during the winter.

"It will be tough for Monsieur Chevalier this season, but he proved a real money-spinner last year and I have no doubt that he will win races again this summer.

"The way he runs brings me to think that he could get seven furlongs, which would increase our options, because it is always hard for a three-year-old sprinter to hold his own against the older horses until Royal Ascot time.
Report Graeme83 March 29, 2010 4:07 PM BST
The fact that Moore would take the ride is quite significant
Report GRIZLY March 29, 2010 4:35 PM BST
moore must ride workforce
Report stevo1 March 29, 2010 5:22 PM BST
He will Grizly as its the winner!
Report Graeme83 March 31, 2010 10:47 AM BST
Is it standard practice for a jockey to go down to a yard and ride out a horse he will be running against in a 2000 guineas. I'm not familiar with the goings on at yards ?
Report Wilbertros March 31, 2010 6:30 PM BST
I was thinking that Graeme - surely Ryan Moore won't be on Canford Cliffs if Workforce runs
Report Me2 April 8, 2010 8:11 AM BST
ttt?
Report paco man April 8, 2010 10:09 AM BST
Seems to confidence now on betting markets behind Workforce.
Report redbag April 8, 2010 10:43 AM BST
xtension on the spaff :)
Report Graeme83 April 8, 2010 11:31 AM BST
Wilbertros 31 Mar 18:30
I was thinking that Graeme - surely Ryan Moore won't be on Canford Cliffs if Workforce runs



Money comes in for workforce after Moore tests one of his fancied rivals out. Sneaky dogs that they are.
Report Ruffian234 April 8, 2010 10:11 PM BST
Given that Dancing David is entered for the Feildon in less than a week and will probably have a near favourites chance does anyone else think its worth a punt on here at 100-1 + and lay back just before the Feildon? Or hold on to a bit until after and hope he wins.
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