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By:
jamesp
When: 22 Mar 10 08:17
SNA has exactly what I look for in a Guineas winner - a great cruising speed, a devastating turn of foot and sheer class.
By:
Richie-O
When: 22 Mar 10 11:21
Yes but SNA is 5/2, are you backing him at those odds? Re CC, I understand doubting he'll get a mile at Grp1 but I don't think you can say with any certainty that he won't. And you have to treat connections comments with caution, I agree. Anyway, good luck james, nice debating with you
By:
redal2
When: 22 Mar 10 11:29
I must admit that I'm in the CC camp. I got the big prices for the Coventry after his debut (not aftertiming as I posted that at the time), and after the Coventry I took the 16s from Joe C. I lost in France but the race has turned out to be better than I thought at the time so hopes rekindled. I'm torn though as I think jamesp may well be right. CC may stay the mile but well enough at Group 1 level? Will he be able to quicken or have nothing left to do so? Still I nailed my colours to the mast all those months ago so despite the doubts I shall stand my bet and not look to lay off but rather look for an alternative nearer the time as a saver.
By:
redal2
When: 22 Mar 10 11:34
And of course the Morny form augurs well for SD in the 1000 :-)
By:
cantwinwontwin
When: 22 Mar 10 12:06
Had a little bit on Classic Calori, was told he was aiming for this at the beginning of the season, Saturdays win wasn't too bad with the traffic he had to come through. 130's still seems a little bit of value.
By:
downallstar
When: 22 Mar 10 12:21
Cape Blanco for me.
SNA is a lay.
Will give reasons later.
By:
torres_1982
When: 22 Mar 10 12:40
Why not give reasons now Allstar?
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When: 22 Mar 10 13:07
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By:
Prescription Drugs
When: 23 Mar 10 12:10
Not saying he'll be good enough but INLER very interesting for 2010.
By:
Lozzy
When: 27 Mar 10 22:00
Not sure TD Gunner. I am hoping obviously that he turns up for Newmarket, but he will need fast ground.
By:
BJG
When: 28 Mar 10 15:33
Nice form boost there down B-)
By:
downallstar
When: 28 Mar 10 15:33
B-)
By:
the lay preacher
When: 28 Mar 10 15:38
canford cliffs will need cut in the ground if he is to win a guineas it

will be at the curragh imo .

the fast ground done for him in the prix morny.
By:
Deep Impact
When: 28 Mar 10 15:39
Who gives a fcuk ?:|
By:
Prima Donna
When: 28 Mar 10 16:31
plenty on here.
By:
Terry Venables
When: 28 Mar 10 16:40
the lay preacher 28 Mar 15:38
canford cliffs will need cut in the ground if he is to win a guineas it

will be at the curragh imo .

the fast ground done for him in the prix morny.




Deep Impact 28 Mar 15:39
Who gives a fcuk


Canford Cliffs nice orse en all that, but is there a bus he can jump on 2F out??

Wont stay will it??
By:
Prima Donna
When: 28 Mar 10 16:45
I dont think he will stay a mile imo Rock City the 2nd.
By:
Terry Venables
When: 28 Mar 10 16:46
What you like Prima??
By:
Prima Donna
When: 28 Mar 10 16:49
I like SNA cant see what will beat him,at best a place for CC.
By:
Deep Impact
When: 28 Mar 10 17:05
Sorry, lads - Classics talk bores me to tears :| Multiple entries, who rides who, gallops reports etc. - tend to deal with the race on the day, tbh as it's impossible to know how horses have progresed from 2 to 3 (unless seen on a racecourse prior to the day). The guesswork, whispers, smoke/mirrors etc. drives me mad & i will try to refrain commenting on Guineas-related thread until the final field is known :)
By:
the lay preacher
When: 28 Mar 10 17:15
not sure if it will stay or not but i am sure he needs softish ground.
By:
Benjy
When: 28 Mar 10 18:18
More for the Derby but any opinions on Zeitoper? Is he being aimed at either race or is he going abroad? Not quoted by many bookies.
By:
jamesp
When: 28 Mar 10 18:30
Zeitoper is not being aimed at the Guineas, he's bred to be well suited by 10-12 furlongs. No specific plans for this horse at present.
By:
downallstar
When: 28 Mar 10 19:45
Jan Vermeer still not certain to run in Guineas

BY BRIAN FLEMING 6:07PM 28 MAR 2010

JAN VERMEER, as short as 14-1 for the StanJames.com 2,000 Guineas, is back in light work, but whether he makes it to Newmarket on May 1 is still uncertain according to trainer Aidan O'Brien.

Winner of the Group 1 Criterium International at Saint Cloud in November, Jan Vermeer, who is second favourite behind stablemate St Nicholas Abbey for the Investec Derby, suffered a slight setback which put him on the easy list recently.
"Nothing has changed with Jan Vermeer and we don't know whether he'll make the Guineas," O'Brien said on Sunday. "He's back in light work and only time will tell if he catches up in time."

St Nicholas Abbey is also favourite for the 2,000 Guineasand O'Brien, who confirmed Steinbeck will not run in the season's opening Classic, reported no such problems since he worked after racing at the Curragh last Sunday.

He said: "All is well with St Nicholas Abbey and as I said before Steinbeck won't run in the English Guineas. At this stage we don't know where he'll run next."
By:
JohnMagnier/JohnMurtagh/AOB 10
When: 28 Mar 10 19:49
Jan Vermeer for the Guineas?

Are they Crazy....can't believe their contemplating it tbh
By:
mike hunt
When: 28 Mar 10 19:54
bluster - they know he will go for Epsom... marketeering!!!
By:
king_james18
When: 28 Mar 10 19:59
dynasty ;)
By:
Graeme83
When: 28 Mar 10 20:11
I still wouldn't be laying at the odds that others have. They ran RVW in the guineas and derby last season. Who's to say they won't run both SNA and Jan Vermeer in both ?
By:
Graeme83
When: 29 Mar 10 16:06
Richard Hannon firmly believes Canford Cliffs will take all the beating in the StanJames.com 2000 Guineas.

The East Everleigh handler is not fazed by all the talk about ante-post favourite St Nicholas Abbey ahead of the Newmarket Classic in May.

And he reports last summer's Coventry Stakes winner, who has not raced since finishing a close third in the Prix Morny, to be on course to reappear in the Greenham Stakes at Newbury next month.

"He has strengthened up and started to fill his frame, and, more significantly, he is looking much more relaxed than he was last season," he told his website, www.richardhannonracing.tv.

"He has done a couple of proper bits of work and will do another one later in the week, and we could not be happier with him.

"Nothing was able to give him a tow in the Coventry, but we think he will be better when he gets a lead, and, while some professionals are suggesting that he will prove a sprinter, we don't see the Guineas mile being a problem.

"We all think that he is the real deal and the best we have ever had on the place in 40 years.

"We might possibly take him to Kempton for a spin on the Polytrack, but the plan is definitely to go for the Greenham, and then all roads will hopefully lead to Newmarket."

Hannon has both Ryan Moore and Jimmy Fortune on standby should stable jockey Richard Hughes be unsuccessful in his appeal against a suspension that would mean him missing the Guineas.

"If there is any justice Hughesie, who was putting the welfare of King Supreme first at Kempton, will win his appeal, but we won't be losing any sleep about jockeys, and Ryan Moore and Jimmy Fortune have both been down to ride out recently," Hannon remarked.

The trainer also had news of several of his other 2000 entries, Dick Turpin, Lucky General and Carnaby Street, plus the speedy Monsieur Chevalier.

"Dick Turpin has also done very well through the winter," Hannon revealed.

"He was a big two-year-old, so he was always going to improve, and, though we had to take our time with him because of the wet weather, he is going well, and, he, too, could go for the Greenham. It is not ideal running both, but they have different owners, and Newbury is the perfect place to start.

"No decision has been about where to kick off with Lucky General, but Carnaby Street could represent us in the Craven, and he is another who has thrived during the winter.

"It will be tough for Monsieur Chevalier this season, but he proved a real money-spinner last year and I have no doubt that he will win races again this summer.

"The way he runs brings me to think that he could get seven furlongs, which would increase our options, because it is always hard for a three-year-old sprinter to hold his own against the older horses until Royal Ascot time.
By:
Graeme83
When: 29 Mar 10 16:07
The fact that Moore would take the ride is quite significant
By:
GRIZLY
When: 29 Mar 10 16:35
moore must ride workforce
By:
stevo1
When: 29 Mar 10 17:22
He will Grizly as its the winner!
By:
Graeme83
When: 31 Mar 10 10:47
Is it standard practice for a jockey to go down to a yard and ride out a horse he will be running against in a 2000 guineas. I'm not familiar with the goings on at yards ?
By:
Wilbertros
When: 31 Mar 10 18:30
I was thinking that Graeme - surely Ryan Moore won't be on Canford Cliffs if Workforce runs
By:
Me2
When: 08 Apr 10 08:11
ttt?
By:
paco man
When: 08 Apr 10 10:09
Seems to confidence now on betting markets behind Workforce.
By:
redbag
When: 08 Apr 10 10:43
xtension on the spaff :)
By:
Graeme83
When: 08 Apr 10 11:31
Wilbertros 31 Mar 18:30
I was thinking that Graeme - surely Ryan Moore won't be on Canford Cliffs if Workforce runs



Money comes in for workforce after Moore tests one of his fancied rivals out. Sneaky dogs that they are.
By:
Ruffian234
When: 08 Apr 10 22:11
Given that Dancing David is entered for the Feildon in less than a week and will probably have a near favourites chance does anyone else think its worth a punt on here at 100-1 + and lay back just before the Feildon? Or hold on to a bit until after and hope he wins.
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