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direct route
29 Mar 10 19:50
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Must have big chance if weather forecast is correct. Race may cut up a bit. Not many will handle the ground. Looks progressive, so steep hike to 136 may not stop him. Will probably carry bottom weight, trainer has won the race before and meets most of the trends.

Worry is that he has not raced beyond 3m so possible non-stayer. Any breeding help would be welcome.
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Report bertieboy March 29, 2010 9:17 PM BST
i also fancy whinstone too, they deffo know how to win a national when the moneys down, i will be watching the weather f,cast closely
Report stevo1 March 29, 2010 11:41 PM BST
Agree Direct on at 60s,backed lto not stopping over 3 miles on soft no weight if getting in could run big race.
Report stevo1 March 30, 2010 12:47 AM BST
Sorry time before last i backed over 3 mile,last time was 2 mile and half miles. Backed on its own e/w 60s and 40s and in e/w doubles in 2000 Guineas with winner i hope?
Report Roger The Butler March 30, 2010 10:30 AM BST
direct route 29 Mar 20:50


Must have big chance if weather forecast is correct. Race may cut up a bit. Not many will handle the ground. Looks progressive, so steep hike to 136 may not stop him. Will probably carry bottom weight, trainer has won the race before and meets most of the trends.

Worry is that he has not raced beyond 3m so possible non-stayer. Any breeding help would be welcome.


Ok, you can come round to mine tonight if you are attractive.
Report norn iron March 30, 2010 10:50 AM BST
DR IF GETS IN WILL BE 12/1 MAX 16/1 ON DAY WILL HAVE SERIOUS CHANCE AN WILL STAY M8
Report buddeliea March 30, 2010 12:18 PM BST
Never raced beyond 3m,so doubtful stayer,and if soft a horse will need to stay well for sure.I will be looking for a proven stayer myself.
Report town moor March 30, 2010 12:25 PM BST
WHINSTONE BOY (IRE) G, 2001 DP = 4-1-4-5-4 (18) DI = 0.64 CD = -0.22
BOBBYJO (IRE) b. G, 1990 DP = 5-1-4-6-4 (20) DI = 0.67 CD = -0.15
BINDAREE (IRE) ch. G, 1994 DP = 1-1-3-4-1 (10) DI = 0.54 CD = -0.30
NUMBERSIXVALVERDE (IRE) b. G, 1996 DP = 2-0-0-6-2 (10) DI = 0.25 CD = -0.60
Report norn iron March 30, 2010 12:27 PM BST
BUDD WHINSTONE WILL STAY LONGER THAN THE MOTHER IN LAW :^0
Report buddeliea March 30, 2010 12:33 PM BST
You may be right Norn,but his form says it is not definite at all,why are you so sure mate??
Report downallstar March 30, 2010 12:43 PM BST
Have to agree with NORN, although WB doesn't fit the trends, he def does stay.
Report norn iron March 30, 2010 1:05 PM BST
BUDD , VERY FEW ON BREEDING GET OVER 4MILE BUT STATS SAY TOP 2 HALF MILERS BEST FOR NATIONAL JUST LETS SAY IF IT GETS IN STAYING WILL NOT BE AN ISSUE AN USUALLY VERY GOOD JUMPER BUT IF HE GETS IN WILL BE GAMBLED BIGTIME ON SOFT TIL HEAVY GOING
Report duncan idaho March 30, 2010 1:14 PM BST
^ an unconvincing explanation imo
Report ninetieth minute March 30, 2010 1:27 PM BST
WHINSTONE BOY (IRE) G, 2001 DP = 4-1-4-5-4 (18) DI = 0.64 CD = -0.22
BOBBYJO (IRE) b. G, 1990 DP = 5-1-4-6-4 (20) DI = 0.67 CD = -0.15
BINDAREE (IRE) ch. G, 1994 DP = 1-1-3-4-1 (10) DI = 0.54 CD = -0.30
NUMBERSIXVALVERDE (IRE) b. G, 1996 DP = 2-0-0-6-2 (10) DI = 0.25 CD = -0.60

All got Busted in the pedigree as did Seagram, Rough Quest & Silver Birch (and 2nds Romany King, What's Up Boys & Supreme Glory)
Report ninetieth minute March 30, 2010 1:36 PM BST
Apologies Bindaree was a Roselier (like Royal Athlete & Suny Bay)
Report norn iron March 30, 2010 1:40 PM BST
DUNCAN ILL BET U CANT EXPLAIN WHY IT WONT STAY ?
Report bestmate March 30, 2010 2:26 PM BST
Iron please don't use Caps Lock.causes me eye strain
Report norn iron March 30, 2010 2:28 PM BST
BEST M8 sorry BUT AS MOST NO I NEED caps LOCK 2 BRAIN OPS
Report norn iron March 30, 2010 2:28 PM BST
BEST M8 sorry BUT AS MOST NO I NEED caps LOCK 2 BRAIN OPS
Report norn iron March 30, 2010 2:28 PM BST
HENCE 2POSTS :^0
Report bestmate March 30, 2010 2:33 PM BST
GREAT!
Report town moor March 30, 2010 2:57 PM BST
Ninetieth, I just picked those at random for reference to try to help those who haven't yet read much around dosage. I haven't backed whinstone boy as I haven't yet had a look at the likelihood of him getting in, but he certainly meets the dosage trends. Norn the 2 1/2 miler argument is a common one, but the pedigree's of almost all winners are laden with stamina even though they may have been running at shorter distances- this is a handicap after all.
Report grade 1 March 30, 2010 4:50 PM BST
Tendrleen Thyestes Handicap Chase (grade A)
€90000 added, 5yo plus, 3m, €58600 penalty, 17 ran
Going: Heavy
Race Report »
Winning Time Winning Time: 6m 45.1s
Pos. Draw Dist. Horse Wt Jockey Trainer Age SP
1 Whinstone Boy (IRE) 9-11 S W Flanagan J J Mangan 9 5/1
made virtually all, joined and ridden entering straight, strongly pressed from 3 out, led from last, kept on well run-in opened 7/1 touched 7/1
Report fact find March 30, 2010 5:17 PM BST
Then carried 11-12 n.t.o.
Report bertieboy March 30, 2010 6:29 PM BST
ok whinstone backers, we need 14 to come out for a run, what will come out u reckon....... i think maybe madison du berlais, air force one, conna castle, pablo du charmil, deutchland, HELP?
Report rhinestone March 30, 2010 6:32 PM BST
Can't see Dooney's Gate running.
Report bertieboy March 30, 2010 6:45 PM BST
u think lennon will run rhinestone? its a 2miler surely
Report Redford_Blade March 30, 2010 7:00 PM BST
Just got this horse on the following website so MUST come close...

www.grand-national-guide.co.uk/myhorse.php
Report slaphappydaddy March 30, 2010 8:27 PM BST
Save me reading up on terms please.... If I back this horse & he does not get in, is it money back (ballotted out ?)
Report Charlton2005 March 30, 2010 8:30 PM BST
yes, money back if balloted out
Report punkha1 March 30, 2010 9:27 PM BST
bet 365 non runner no bet and 33/1,seems fair to me as wont be that price on the day if he lines up.
Report Reefer 2001 March 30, 2010 10:10 PM BST
Come on then who's dropping out to let him in?

Air Force One
?
?
Report cantspell March 30, 2010 10:11 PM BST
hello bud has no bckers
Report buddeliea March 31, 2010 7:41 AM BST
Still not convinced he stays,and in likely soft maybe Heavy,where they need to stay every inch, i will go with a proven one,good luck though.

Dream Alliance will like it soft,better class and proven stayer-thats more like it for me.
Report direct route March 31, 2010 11:48 AM BST
if balloted out on Betfair is it money back?
Report stevo1 March 31, 2010 11:52 AM BST
Yes
Report direct route March 31, 2010 11:58 AM BST
thanks
Report bertieboy March 31, 2010 6:13 PM BST
the last of the 40,s gone 2day on whinestone! id like to think the moneys coming for it but its probably all my cash!
Report Charlton2005 March 31, 2010 9:43 PM BST
A stone wrong at the weights with BFT. No chance.
Report Charlton2005 March 31, 2010 9:44 PM BST
That's 100 lengths over 4 miles btw

:)
Report cheshireboy March 31, 2010 9:46 PM BST
Only one or two coming out so the horse has absolutely no chance of getting a run....fact
Report Julius Caesar ( JC 100 BC ) March 31, 2010 9:46 PM BST
Heavy ground . Very few finishers. No cover for BFT.... D.O.W.N. Im afraid. Good Luck mind :)
Report Charlton2005 March 31, 2010 9:47 PM BST
Don't get me wrong JC, I am no backer of favs, but this WB is miles away from the winner of this race.
Report bertieboy March 31, 2010 9:48 PM BST
im prepared to take the chance at the 70,s etc ive got rather than 8,s on fav but its all about opinion tho i suppose
Report Charlton2005 March 31, 2010 9:48 PM BST
And of course GL to you too.

:)
Report Facts April 1, 2010 1:31 AM BST
bertieboy

the more i look at WB - the more i warm to it !
Report Glenn11 April 1, 2010 1:36 AM BST
me to. shame it wont run
Report bestmate April 1, 2010 4:35 PM BST
no chance of running. laid off my bet
Report trev w April 1, 2010 4:37 PM BST
bestmate...if he misses the cut...all bets returned ?
Report Steamship April 1, 2010 4:40 PM BST
Backed him yesterday with Billy h. Did me a favour earlier in the year
Report Ramruma April 1, 2010 4:46 PM BST
All bar three (which he lost) of Whinstone Boy's runs have been right-handed and it is hard to believe that is mere coincidence.
Report Mannybet April 6, 2010 7:58 PM BST
i am on at 50's....so disappointed to see he is nearly the same price on here now and has drifted. rain not coming perhaps and not enough osses dropping out?
Report bestmate April 6, 2010 11:33 PM BST
not getting in & rain is now history
Report vol n. oven April 7, 2010 12:16 AM BST
been raining for last 4 hours in st.helens , 12 miles east of track and more forecast for wednesday
Report nibbledat April 7, 2010 6:40 AM BST
not much rain looking at radar
Report ONSLOW1974 April 7, 2010 10:29 AM BST
Tipped by Couch - K.O.D = Kiss of death
Report Redford_Blade April 8, 2010 9:41 AM BST
Now 30.0...
Report stevo1 April 8, 2010 11:41 AM BST
Out maybe just as well with ground firming up? At least money back but would have been nice to see how he got at 60s e/w.
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