So You Think he was a failure?

I considered him to be overated before. He was being talked up as a horse on the level of the best we have seen, worth a rating of near 140, and he was priced as such.

I didn't know what to make of his form beforehand, he had beaten the Aussie middle diatance horses easily , but, as far as i know , only the Aussie sprinters are competitive with the world's best , so that meant nothing much to me . He had shown himself to be 20 lb superior to horses in Ireland that i would rate sub 110, so i tentatively rated him @127, which means he is a Group 1 horse, better than most Group 1 horses , but well below the superstar Frankel/STS level .

After the race i would still have him at 127, but there are reasons to think he could be somewhat better than that: The way he buried Twice Over and Planteur so long before the end, pulled clear with seemingly little effort, and really looked like a spectacular winner. Rewilding, who i considered Group 2 class before the race, made an immense effort , the sort you think might not be repeatable, and i would make So You Think Fav if they meet again.

I would not make him fav vs Workforce,but would against any of the other current middle distance horses, though not vs some of those that might step up from a mile.

I doubt you will get a good price though as the 'he wasn't fit' excuse (Coolmore always insisting their horse is better than he showed ) will be taken as gospel by the people who lumped on at 4/11, as they will not like to admit to themselves that they got it wrong in backing him so short this time.

to say that only aussie sprinters are competitive with the worlds best is a lttle presumptious. we send our sprinters to the northern hemisphere to inflate their stud value. or in joe's case with takeover target, to escape life in a caravan.the prizemoney in australia and hong kong is so superior to the northern hemisphere [excluding dubai] makes it pointless to send our classic horses north.frankel would be extremely competitive in our cox plate and 2 million pounds is a lot of reasons for him to come down, and workforce is obviously a world class champion but so you think is a gross stallion who's had a wind operation and needs racing to get fit so he will improve enormously on that run and when he does he wont be beaten again.

Scott135, well said, they think we have some kind of third rate racing system over here yet on paper our racing industry is superior at nearly every level.

You can pretty well say our trainers, jockeys, prizemoney, bookmakers, punters and horses are vastly superior on a weighted population level given we are a country of 20 million people.

Quite Frankly i doubt Aidan O'Brien would last 5 minutes over here as a trainer.

At the end of the day we are the ones selling people $20 or $30 million dollar shares in this horse, not the other way round.

......WAKE UP!

SYT used too much at the start cos of jan vameer's awful start. Then you have the fact that the pace after that suited rewilding + rewilding ran a great race. Add into that (the possibility) that he was underdone and you have some decent excuses. I say possibility becos all i've heard from people is that Aiden O'brien talks crap every year.

Incidentally, I heard someone say it was a new course record in some manner? Either on the new track? Or on that type of ground? Duno, maybe someone can confirm either way.

Just like their cricketers, all mouth and nothing to back it up

Its not rocket science.

SYT came over here on the back of some extremely bullish comments (and I am charitably ignoring Bart Cummings here) which were pumped up in the usual Coolmore fashion.

After 2 straightforward wins against vastly inferior opposition he stepped up and was found wanting against a good but far from vintage horse in Rewilding.

The "light prep" argument is far from convincing as his previous race was little over 3 weeks ago.

The posters on Oz will just have to live with the fact that their best middle distance performer in years simply isn't up to the top Northern Hemisphere standard. FWIW I agree 100% with Tobermory rating him in the high 120s - which still makes him a damned good horse.

"Just like their cricketers, all mouth and nothing to back it up."

"The posters on Oz will just have to live with the fact that their best middle distance performer in years simply isn't up to the top Northern Hemisphere standard."

BWAHAHA.....GTFO you muppets.

From what I saw, it wasn't easy getting past So You Think. Ask Frankie if he really needed to hit Rewilding 24 times in the last 2 forlongs to win easily by a neck? LOL

In a re-match, given he's not at silly odds this time, I'd be on So You Think in a heatbeat.

I didnt say Rewilding won easy , but i do think he won comfortably (big difference) and he is a very strong stayer , the thing is will you ever any any great value on So You Thinks price given the horses reputaion/connections ?

Pour Moi would eat it for breakfast

When Frankel eventually steps up to 10f SYT will not even be in the same camera shot going over the line

SYT a good horse, say around 130

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/aidan-obriens-crazy-for-so-you-think/story-fn67r1j3-1226073892021


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worth a read, maybe o brien was telling the truth afterall.

This made me chuckle , from a Gary from Dagenham  in Today's Post :

" Remind me again how far Workforce beat Rewilding in a race 'not worth two bob' at Epsom ? Save your wisdom for two-mile handicaps , Bart Cummings" .

Glass Harmonium and My Kingdom of Fife are beating the same horses as SYT did(Shoot Out/Ginga Dude) and i couldnt see them being 4/11 for a group 1

Still it did make for my best RA bet of this year a massive price

But 4/11 was hardly a gift

Dont get me wrong, i spent 6 great months in OZ many years ago, lived in Darlinghurst and then moved over to freemantle where i had a ball, Clerked at Belmont Park found the racing cheap, the facilites good and the Sheila's obliging

I just think some of you lads had your patriotic punting glass's on to punting at that kind of price

Is Sam Newman(You idiot) still on telly down there??

Used to love the footie show

Didn't think the Southern Hemisphere's answer to Pegasus needed excuses, when competing in 'two bob racing'?

Rewilding off a 2 month break or longer is a very decent animal, sadly i think they will go King George where imo, he'll bounce to the moon.

If he was mine he'd go International and Breeders Cup Turf

Rewilding isn't a very decent animal, he's mediocre (in terms of Group 1). He'll get turned over in the King George because he's not good enough, nothing to do with any bounce.

tommy, neither Planteur nor Twice Over ran their races so it's pointless concentrating on that.

It will be interesting to hear what connections have to say about Planteur's running because he's a better horse than Rewilding.

Tommy you can point to Twice Over and Plantuer.

I can also point out that he beat the 113 rated Sri Putra by 6 lengths. Previously at the Curragh he beat the 116 rated Campanologist 4..5 lengths. Both runs suggest his rating of 126 is about right on what he has achieved over here.