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I don't follow greyhounds particularly, but I always remember there being lots of buzz about Westmead Hawk back in the day. I have just re-watched the 2005 and 2006 derby finals, the crowds were packed and buzzing.
who would you say was the Frankel of greyhound racing?
(in other news when I used to go to the bookies with a mate around the same time (2000s), his greyhound system was to back any greyhound with Droopy's in it's name, as he said 'They always win')
who would you say was the Frankel of greyhound racing?
(in other news when I used to go to the bookies with a mate around the same time (2000s), his greyhound system was to back any greyhound with Droopy's in it's name, as he said 'They always win')
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Westmead Hawk was superb agreed. Ballyregan Bob was a clever tracker but for sheer disbelief nothing comes close to Scurlogue Champ and probably never will
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I had never heard of Scurlogue Champ, just watched a few youtube vids. the last half a lap he would be passing them like they were standing still. Visually a joy to watch!
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such a question is virtually impossible to answer.....there are superstars over the years covering every distance and style but for the old tracks now forgotten there would have been some fantastic greyhounds running on various tracks make-ups....grass...peat...sand...part and part....so for the sport it is better that we have a spread of memories and watch videos of all those we can.......
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westmead hawk best derby winner in my time following the sport
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Get On Blackie
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does anyone remember the greyhounds - Rossa Ranger and Marmions? me and my mate still talk about these dogs in conversation
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Rossa Ranger Was he a Hurdler ?
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yes! not sure if this is up-to-date, but still has the 380m hurdles track record at Crayford:
Track Records 380m: Kingdom Club - 23.01 sec. (09/27/03) 380mH: Rossa Ranger 23.36 sec. (04/15/02) 540m: Sportsman 33.26 sec. (02/03/03) 540mH: Selby Ben 33.68 sec. (03/26/03) 714m: Centour Corker 44.74 sec. (03/03/03) 874m: Clonbrin Black 56.15 sec. (10/06/93) 1048m: Stansted Flyer 69.81 sec. (09/07/96) |
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Winja know records at crayford
Few them are long been broken The GOAT that could many different things Punter friendly dog Dog that was unbelievable at point of time TR DOGS DERBY WINNERS too many think of Watch poor sue on YouTube Allways remember here winning Pepsi Marathon Sports night 90s Took my girlfriend to rapid ranger second derby final win Favourite Romford dog Favourite monmore 630 dog head iton Jason Too many Loved Toosey blue Ioved ninja Jamie Loved Lenson joker Goat never get bored watching champ on YouTube |
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I think we know who in
2013 would of been popular choice Later went on get his Scottish derby following year |
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spy aye
thought barnfield on air would have got mention riddler |
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There too many
He was fantastic dog Got him beat Scottish derby first rd Going -200 575 against the joker |
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Bornha best was fav of mine
That Newcastle all England final v dot land hitman was fantastic race On bad going on sky I watch match book derby semi perview Pl said dogs YouTube was good as any sky sports Production I laugh myself silly at that comment Didn’t need head ons wimbo see perfect well Unlike horrible side view we get at the kip |
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Very hard to answer but my two against the field are: Ballyregan Bob and Ballinderry Moth.
Most will know the former but possibly only the older posters will recall Ballinderry Moth - a great bitch out of Walthamstow who won loads of stuff in the mid 1970's. As a very raw 16 year old I had my week's wages on her for the final of the Oaks at Harringey in November 1976. Only 8/11 (I think) but she was away and gone....OI OI! |
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i remember her son Daleys Gold.....
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I remember. Moth was a blue blood, no doubt about that. BB very special though.
I thought Loyal Honcho had his moments too.  |
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Terrydrum Mill
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Westmead Hawk was pure class.
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Agreed but so were many more who came before him. Impossible to determine.
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Scurlogue the Greatest Crowd puller the Sport will ever see
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Myrtown Must go down as Greatest dog never to win the Derby , Short price Jolly for two Finals , But all wrong on Both nights , he had some Middle pace , A sight to behold Blasting down the back straight at the City
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Two of Myrtowns offspring Made Finals at the City Westmead Myra came third , and Tyrean actually started Favourite No good came 5th
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Myrtown was also ante post Jolly for the 74 Irish Derby 3rd in the final
 won by Lively Band a flying Machine , Who was 3rd but disqualified in the Semi Finals of the 75 English Derby after attacking Shamrock point ,Lively Band has to go Down as the Greatest Fighter of all Time |
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the old nanny ;-) • June 8, 2025 4:40 PM BST
Scurlogue the Greatest Crowd puller the Sport will ever see if you dont count the monster crowds 1970 who used to go to every saturday night graded  |
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pre= 1970....
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Long gone
champ was a bit of Revival saying that WestPark mustard was pulling Crowds , how may did she win in a row ,I cant remember was it 20 ? |
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Used to off at 1-14 In races
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How many were at Wembley for the Showdown Bob and Champ Must have been over 10,000
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21 I think nanny. Both Mustard and Lively Band were owned by the same man, coincidentally, a Scottish banker called Cyril Young, known on the programmes/racecards as Cyril Scotland. Very well known for his sporting support, football being high amongst his hobbies.
Lively Band won the Edinburgh Cup which was always run in August, so presumably he retrialled and requalied to race. Phenomenal pace the dog had. He took out, as you say, probably the greatest dog never to win a Derby, Shamrock Point ( I rated him higher than Myrtown, sry ) and the dopey, grovelling officials in charge then promoted the Duke of Edinburgh’s dog, Camira Flash from 4th to 3rd and thus into the final, which of course the dog won. The crowd - and they were huge in these day,s (as you already know )were not at all reticent in demonstrating, very loudly, their displeasure post-race. The following year Shamrock Point missed out again from a final spot, by the narrowest of margins, and again won the Consolation Final, again in a faster time than the winning finalist. I well remember Ger McKenna leading the dog across and, as he did, the crowd spontaneously gave him and the dog huge vocal support and applause out of pure sentiment and appreciation. It was a memorable sound and sight. |
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Cyril owned a couple of Graders at Whitecity Loyal
They were great days mate we were lucky to have them ,Tremendous Track , Derby night was something Else most folks dressed up for the Occasion,That was both sides Evry year the First thing Everyone Checked was Gers entrants I bet a few of his , Sadly not Parkdown Jet I bet Jet in one of the Heats thought he was a Good Thing 2/1 he was , a Friend of Mine fancied a dog at a Price in the Race was Called mount Cashel Was either 12s or 20s I played Jet to beat it Cast as well , Jet Led , Cashel came storming by it on the run in My mates got the Lot , I didnt have a penny on it to Win Crazy , My Mate John (rip) who a very good Judge Said why didnt you have a small Saver , the Cast the other way must have paid Enough even for a couple of quid ,I was not a Happy Chappy |
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Wow,!
Not easy dealing with a disappointment like that, especially when rubbed in forever after by your mates!. Therapeutic to talk about it? No chance! Been there too. lol. As you say they were fantastic days. |
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Didnt think it Could be Jet Loyal Tbh , 3rd Bend I was getting the Lot , Got fook all
he was a Good Judge John Him his son Steve and a couple of other Lads only played opens Would travel Miles He was killed in a Car accident , Not seen any of the Others in Years ,Im sure plenty of the Old Lads on here would have known them back in the day ,They were a shrewd outfit ,I was only a Kid would See them Wembley or the City |
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And then wimbledon for a Couple of years Was Nearly a Riot one Night Sid Hooper Chalked up they Charged and Sidi wiped the whole board off
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Mine was What’s Up Boys in the National. I got inspiration for him on the Friday and got on. Bet him again on the Saturday morning as the huge punt took off.
Had never before seen a horse come to lead the race over the last then get passed again, on the run in, by the horse he’d just passed. They heard me all over the street as I triumphantly shouted him on. Then the brutal reality suggested itself and actually happened. Bindaree! And worse, one of my fav. Jocks Culloty! |
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@ The Knight.
With respect, were you the punter that had some massive golf bet on here years ago that hit 1.01 and lost? My memory deserts me |
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As a 46 near 47 year old the Dog that springs to mind has to be Westmead Hawk, if only for it's style of winning.
I don't doubt there may have been faster dogs but I've only been left mouth open mouthed and completely speechless once.....and that was The Hawk |
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once open mouthed*
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I still remember the Wimblecrowd bursting into “easy. easy” when he won his second Derby. Amazing.
What must it be like to realise that you have a pup who’s shown you his absolute brilliance before you even trial him officially. Must be a special feeling. |
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My favourite period
2007-2012 just after the hawk |