The demise of Newcastle greyhounds

Nice to see the sonic youngsters get the Christmas money for connections this week

15/11  Sonic Mercury      A8 always led    Won 4 1/4 lengths    29.47


two previous runs

8/11  Sonic Mercury       A8 clear run     2nd                  29.85

2/11  Sonic Mercury       A8 clear run     6th                  30.72



17/11 Sonic Moon          HC always led    WON 8 1/4 lengths    29.36  actual time given 29.66 but we all know you deduct 30 spots in a handicap. Time announced after an hour... looked faster...


two previous runs

09/11 Sonic Moon          A8 sl hpd 4      2nd                  29.96

03/11 Sonic Moon          A8               WON                  30.05



17/11 Sonic Jupiter       A8 always led    WON  4 1/2 lengths   29.73


two previous runs

10/11 Sonic Jupiter       A8 every chance  3rd                  30.00

03/11 Sonic Jupiter  Retrial sl crd 1st    3rd                  30.47


Is there a pattern here? A cynic might suggest they've been well placed to win but of course that would be cynical wouldn't it.

anyone could tell those pups where pacy but they are also dodgers,they just trapped clear and got on with it,put a dog in front of them and they hang the race up.

You aren't seriously suggesting that these three very heavily bet sonic dogs this week was honest training. Spare me garry I have an IQ in double figures. The last time Tighe was allowed three runners in the same race only one of them completed the course such was the disgraceful way they were KO'd. I note the track have never allowed that to occur again. The only action they have ever taken against him

Gartcloss Spence - now there's the King of dodgers at the track

young pups going straight on the bunny are going to find time,not saying the trainers a saint but i think they have just improved for getting on the bunny,gatrcloss spence a forecast players dream.

They are the same litter ...King Elvis/Sonic Spur.  They are Sept 2021 . I called them youngsters but they certainly aren't pups. None of what you say stacks up garry. Their runs and trials aren't littered with short distance wins or defeats or awkward as would be the norm for dodgers. Just three (MORE) jobs this week pure and simple

trust me i do this every day.they are all dodgers,the sonic jupiter has a waited comment in trials,sonic moon has slowed a few races when hitting the front already.sonic mercury the exact same

Apologies garry but I only trust what my eyes/knowledge tells me

If you've been galloped up and down a field or in the jacuzzi all morning (as seems to be popular with a few) then you are bound to get tired in the latter stages of a race

sunders 11.36

Newcastle Tuesday 21st November
9.11 race
Trap 1 Ballymac Fearne huge drifter on betfair and you guessed how it was going to run prior to the race. Started last , never got touched throughout the race finished last. And all because it was bet in the afternoon by some poor buggar that fancied it so they knew they would get easy money laying it come the race.

greyhound racing is more crooked then spaghetti junction

Tonight's Newcastle 7.26 should be entertaining.

Sonic Moon getting a six yard pull with Links Fusilier. Answers on a postcard

What will John Gotti do

i would expect sonic moon to ruin 2 again here,2 led it on 9th nov when sonic moon got to the front and hung the race up for darbys fame,

Sonic moon missed the break badly tonight then ran a monster race to win. You say you do this all the time garry but what you forget is that sonic moon wouldn't have tried on the 9th November so the run doesn't count for anything. Clean runs bring a dog on as has been proven on many occasions from this trainer and again tonight. Such a shame as this man clearly knows his onions. Could be a top trainer if he was straight

One not off and mercury an sp job. This guy is good

where theres money involved blah blah...hardly a shock.

Strange entries on card saturday afternoon.Dogs reappearing after long breaks (reserves).No marks on cards for 3-4 months and going from A4 to A8 after break, and bolting in. Looks like they are short of dogs as Sunderland form cropping up . Less racing and regular track form is essential for punters.

been a few IT races with sunders lately

RP isn't showing them but trials were on the official card for midtown hope etc

Newcastle are grossly short of dogs to fulfil their obligation . That's a small part of the reason that absolutely anything goes at the track and no trainer has been sacked .If only Entain knew what they were getting themselves into considering going to bed with this shower.

What happened to that commentator up there ?
Is he still about ?
He was great

Yes Irish, he certainly was.

Andrew Dalby?

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/hammer-attack-victim-ne...

fook me if it was that dalby bloke it turned out he was a nonce caught in a sting and rightly given plenty of porridge....

I always thought the commentators name was Mark.

Mark Cranston used to commentate, mostly at Sunderland, but did a stint at Brough.

Thanks, goddess.

Nice job yesterday from William Finley with the PUP

15/12 Itsallluckbill MISSED BREAK then blew them away winning over eight lengths in 29.45

30/11 best qualifying trial and most recent run                                     30.12


Off for two weeks, probably private trial then easy money. They got fortunate he missed the break badly otherwise he'd have won the length of the straight.

Two more pups on today for Finley . Same age but only one(Tee Tee Jet-the litter brother to the above). Be interesting to map the progress.

Don't tell me Finlay thinks he's going to put as many by as the Teflon Don (Tighe).

Fair play to W Finley. Both pups ran well in the final race with Tee Tee Jet winning .

Newcastle management really mucked up not sacking Tighe when they should have as it's ruined what used to be a terrific track up there.

5:09
Newcastle
| HP |
640m
1st £175 | Others £55 Race Total £450
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Pos,Trap
Greyhound
Trainer
Comment
SP
Time (S)
Time (Distance)
Add to Kennel
1st
Ballygibbon Bus
P Rutherford
FcdTCk5,LedRunIn
5/4F
R3
40.70 (1)

Nov-2020 | 27.5 | b - bk | Confident Rankin - Clonbrien Lucky

2nd
Lightfoot Aoife
C J Lister
LedToRunIn
8/1
R7
40.78 (1)

Jan-2020 | 24.6 | b - bk | Quietly - Racenight Annie

3rd
Blackhouse Emily
S Ray
EveryChance
3/1
R5
40.88 (1 1/4)

Aug-2021 | 29.2 | b - bk | Hiya Butt - Blackhouse Ash

4th
Crooks Mojito
S Caile
Crowded2,RanOnLate
3/1
Scr
41.00 (1 1/2)

Dec-2020 | 27.4 | b - f | Pat C Sabbath - Highview Jayne

5th
Foyle Bridge
T G Edgar
SAw,BumpedWide2
10/1
R3
41.80 (10)

Sep-2020 | 36.4 | d - be | Ballymac Best - Cats Belle

6th
Adelante Steel
P Rutherford
SAw,Crowded1&2
7/1
R7
42.06 (3 1/4)

Adelante Steel beaten 17 (yes SEVENTEEN lengths) perhaps lost one length in running -No RETRIAL - No finished lame comment - trainer P Rutherford wins race with other runner which had an obvious chance as Ballygibbon Bus was well handicapped today.
Talk about making sure your other one doesn't win it when you are backing one. Just typifies everything about the track and management. It was even beaten three lengths by the clear and obviously lame Foyle Bridge.

A dreadful advert for greyhound racing

Merry Christmas Paul Singlewood... must have got good money out of that one

4.43 Newcastle
Minnies Torov an absolutely diabolical run . Beaten 10-15 lengths (didn't even lose a length in running)after being well bet into 6/4 in the morning drifted to 5/2 on here. Obviously not the kennel money just some poor punter betting a no good one again. That dog will be sore in the morning

Anything goes at the circus

You've got to laugh . I think two trainers have left recently
Neil Black and Patrick Kennedy. Both good quality solid straight trainers . You couldn't make this up if you tried

ps IF it finished lame I'll retract the above comment

Minies Torov didn't finish lame . Beaten 12 1/2 lengths untouched . Kindest thing to do would be to close that track down

Plenty winning "good things" this morning

oday
Newcastle
A6 | 480 | -

04.69
1
-
Highview Blend
LedTo4, LedRunIn
29.56
29.3
7/2
29.56
29/12/23
Newcastle
A6 | 480 | -10

04.76
5
8 1/2
Coles Buddy
Crd2, BBaulked3
29.95
29.2
4/1
30.52
22/12/23
Newcastle
A5 | 480 | -10

04.78
6
7
Westforth Athena
MidTRls, BCrd1&2
29.66
29.3
12/1
30.12
15/12/23
Newcastle
A5 | 480 | -10

04.75
6
16
Tarryburn Onyx
StruckInto2
29.21
28.9
9/2
30.39
06/12/23
Newcastle
A5 | 480 | -30

04.74
6
7 1/2
Wraysbury Band
FcdTCk&Blk2
29.72
28.9
6/1
30.03
29/11/23
Newcastle
A5 | 480 | 10

04.85
6
13 3/4
Regans Rocket
SAw, FcdTCk2, Bmp 3/4
29.30
29.1
2/1F
30.51

You make your own mind up everybody?

Above is the recent form of SCOTCH STORM trained by HARRY BURTON with finishing times. Number two at the track only behind the untouchable Teflon Tighe.

First try today and obviously an SP job as they couldn't have got their money on otherwise

Prior to today it's five most recent runs resulted in four last places and a fifth beaten cumulatively fifty three lengths... yes an average of over ten lengths each race. Makes all today. That would have been a red light at any independent I ever knew... and this is supposed to be under the rules of racing! 

Does anybody know of a track/management in the UK that would have allowed this to occur? I certainly don't.

I generally agree with you but took a look at above - nout in it

Not sure what to say . You cannot be serious . If you'd like me to name name ten dogs they've been playing games with I could

Just ask and I'll supply

Greyhound racing in the north is finished . You've got trainers like Ray for instance. Previously straight= now-if he has two runners in the same race the first one in the betting will be no good. That's the TIGHE impact.

I was going to compile a list of 2023's biggest and most obvious jobs at the track but I lost interest as I no longer bet there but here's three

Ellie O   ( Burton)
Havana Skater ( Heilbron)
Midtown King ( Lister)

Go google

Does the handicapper think nobody is watching? was he on? I know my view

Disagree.

Irrel how many lengths it’s beat it’s on the downgrade into a poor race.

It’s absolutely blasted out to beat its best split by 0.07

It’s then been relatively weak and joined up the back

Very lucky not to be passed, bend came just in time.

And yeah it’s improved 50 odd spots first time in 20 odds races it’s on the bunny?

As I say you generally have a point. Not everything is corrupt for sure.

Ps the bloke has 1 dog in the race and as long as nobody else is stopping theirs…

Can you blame him presuming he has done “readying one up” every now and again when you are running for 130 quid?

Greyhound racing is all about opinions itsme and I have mine you have yours. My view is that Scotch Storm was idling in front and had it wanted go about its business would have won half a dozen lengths(my view it'll improve if its allowed to in its coming races). For me it quickened when it saw the dog inside it. I also don't agree that it doesn't matter how far a dog is beaten consecutively for obvious reasons but do understand that a dog can be beaten a fair distance in any given race especially for instance if its a front runner that doesn't make the lead and is baulked at the first. Some trainers have numerous dogs on the strength which they own and they will be getting a very good living running for these £130's a time. Nothing wrong with improving a couple of lengths by good/clever training but I don't believe thats what happened here.
Of course not everything is corrupt however Newcastle has deteriorated so much in the last two/three years that its difficult not to think that way.

Its a fair reply that, we dont agree.

So today 'Teflon' has four runners. On the earlies he has an even money chance a 6/4 chance and two 3/1 joint second favourites. Now odds compiling isn't easy but it's clear this guy is by far the best treated at the track which must be galling for the other trainers(although I do wish they'd stop conferring)...especially since its so unjustifiably so.
Clearly the most interesting one is Sonic Panda in the 3.13. The dam is the Irish oaks and Dundalk international winner Killmacdonagh and Burgess bucks ran open races. Sonic panda is Jun 22 and must have been a 5k pup(at three months or so) but now running off a £50 dogs mark at Newcastle. Eleven yards getting two from a slow away m/w running cream biscuit. Maybe its underweight maybe its had a problem but what we do know is it will win when he wants it to especially as he always receives 'special' help.  Personally I don't think today will be the day as its easy to shorten 365 on bad accounts but time will tell.

Have you considered not following the track anymore ? Serious question .

Yes I have but I've never been keen on the Romford/Crayford style tracks where leading the first bend is so important to winning and there are some seriously good judges especially at Crayford.

Several years ago Newcastle was a brilliant running track, well graded with with top quality straight racing.

Now its still a great running track with some decent dogs, the most bias/unacceptable handicapping in the country and an anything goes approach which results in tiddlywinks racing below the level of any old independent.

Perhaps I'd hoped that by highlighting the obvious things would improve. That certainly hasn't happened (its unbelievably got worse) so I've achieved nothing. The same people must have become very wealthy in the last few years and a lot of the rest of the trainers have said -'well rather than sticking one by a year I'm going to pop one by every couple of weeks'...thats where we are now. A regular punter who assumes all is transparent has absolutely no chance of winning regardless how good he is, he's more likely to end up in Broadmoor.

I do hear you Glasgow as I would never previously before have written the above post. Maybe with that post I reached an unacceptable level myself(nothing before that as far as I'm aware though).

Sonic Panda yesterday improved 53 +30 from its previous trial on 29th December(where it lost NO ground) so I'm not wrong and no aftertiming either. An improvement of 10 1/2 lengths in thirteen days.

No enquiry...of course how can you call an enquiry into yourself.

So tonight Teflon has three runners. Two 6/4 favourites and a 3/1 second fav on the earlies(anybody spot a pattern here)? I can only imagine Teflon told the handicapper he was going home early for his tea tonight as his dogs run in each of the first three races. You just couldn't make this up if you tried.

Anyone got recent form for Plumb Sauce res 8.26 tonight

Found it on sky greyhound cards under Newcastle reserves