Greyhound Derby 2023

Thought red kipper two couldn’t have that with stolen

when tyrur shay got beat in the final I said no more for me there

Old mum there too.

Compare that the Shelbourne.

Last 2 races complete head scratchers

watch graded raggy starts nearly every race

q.aw a led

video of boothby on twitter with the traps, I've heard less noise @ heathrow airport

Yet you;re here watching as usual.

then at romford you get shirleys boy hammered in the market only needing to master the 2 dog to lead up and the 2 falls out the traps - heavily backed fav knew that

Claires rocket few years back
Favourites get beat
Why I bet not black and white set in stone

Last time same betting on it Honch looked ugly that mess at the first bend.

I did L.H. For a fleeting moment I thought it was on, £60 @ 25/1.
Close but no cigar mate. Not to worry, the world keeps spinning.

With you there wonders about Tyrur Shay. Was on him ante post and thought have far down the back straight.

Thank God Westmead Hawk was born when he was and he didn't have try and win his Derby's round that hole

Millwall colours

I've always wondered how the Hawk would have fared at White City.

agree on the hawk...the best marathon bitch we've seen this century couldn't run the gaff, that's all you need to know

Very much doubt would have got round here odd sort of place.

What a result for the books that was. You'd be pushed to think Hawk would have won once around Towcester let alone do the double.

Brown tough me dear no dear

apparently seven protesters arrested just before the final....well done to plod....

Pale mall next week rd another one of he’s tracks
Love Oxford back in day
Can’t work the gaff out

Backslappers convention, Jason, ask him why a change of comm for final, if Colonel good enough all year round..

Good point that Deptford. Imagine the uproar if they gave Ian's old man the elbow on Irish Derby Final Night and let Errol Blythe do the comms

could barely hear the comms on TV

Brinkleys here for me.  Perfect pitch in 3.

The dog's chicken.

I emailed exactly that Deptford a few days ago and they didn't read it out.

6 didnt pick a Leg up last week , connections must have been well pissed off

Cracking race this last

that 6 was backed hard - relentless run.

I was on the 1 - thought it would lead, but as soon as that 6 got level on the bend, it was all over and like all dogs who need to lead - faded into 3rd!!

any bets dept?

Never known a track in all my years where dogs can turn form around so much

bermuda triangle stuff from day 1

Had 2 bets, Millbank Peach and 6 in last top 3

gl

space jet 11/10.....

to be fair
graham came on the show an hour before the race
said the dog was a great each way bet
because he was recovering from injury and was improving

Grateful that we have a Derby, fair play for those putting it on and trying, not my cup of tea the place but there you go, cant turn clock back

The Champagne still flowing in Deptford Towers

The Jet is great value for me.  Smasher is good but not in the right box even if he was fast enough.

OWEN SMASHER in the marathon for me - as that clock approaches a minute, this one will keep on

Sorry - she.

Jul 1, 2023 -- 3:50PM, Deptford wrote:

The Champagne still flowing in Deptford Towers

Backed queen at 33/1
On sp now don’t even know what this red does early

I may be in minority, dont mind Anna, she knows what shes talking about

jeez romford another well back ed fav where the speed rival from the lid has been slow away

Puke time

nice 1 dept

6 got your wonga

unbelievable 6/4 on here jet....

**** off towcester

What a bitch.  Absolutely magical!

What a run, superb Space Jet.

Cheers mate, unlucky fattie, gutting

would have been despo if beat

wins 3-4l if 3 swings off last bend

taken 10l off 3 in last lap

4 didnt want to go through any gaps

Awesome Space Jet. Great race ruined by a ridiculous commentary I thought my telly was broke and gave it a whack

ran well fats JET something else well done with 6 Dept

Was it you Deptford who alerted the forum to her way back before her first win?

I must say that I did enjoy the evening, quite a lot actually.

was a good call fatty ran a stormer especially at the original price.......

Five come off the rail top of bend jet sailed past after 3 down the back fair play to the jet

Space Jet or Mystical? I remember watching Space win at Nott and saying something, same with Mystical when she won S3 a long time ago

Notts jet beat space jet remember that
Great race

They left it Behind the last at Yar 4 dog smashed from 10s this Morning  went off 5-2  Strong type done it on line

How anyone put 10 up the 4 dog needs to look for new Employment Regardless it getting beat

notts 680 but bend come up quick not suit her...some race tho

iirc she was was drifter from odds on early
was she u/l cant remember now

The odds compilers now are useless, fattie correct what he said re top 2 and 3, some great value if you dont mind a shortie, in some of these opens, JK could beat them in a race, mind you, it could have been me, twice was offered jobs in Gibraltar doing odds back in the day

tough to get on but great value in top 3s deptford

they just derive them from the win prices & its flawed thinking

You know what mate, for some reason, 365 never refuse me a bet, no idea why, I know mates who have been knocked back, Lads I can get on a fair bet, the rest not one iota of a chance, the worst are skybet, I only wanted a pony ew one at Ascot at 16/1, offered me £2.50, a few years ago me and my oyster card used to travel all over SE London having 30 and 40 in many different shops, got fed up with all the travelling!!

Money tree bet
Just need the 365 coral lads

Green mile on
Second best film ever made

they don't **** with a millwall postcode

Many years ago I was an avid dog racing fan. I even spent a year or so in the early 1990's playing full time around Hackney, Hove and Walthamstow. So, nobody knows better than me than there are no good things and that dogs can easily miss the break in the most crucial races.

But twenty years ago I quit betting on greyhounds because the number of times a dog well clear on form and times, which had been flying the traps, then missed the break in a big final when heavily backed became just too high.

Hence, tonight, it was sad to see the Dog Derby favourite miss the break so badly after looking so assured in all of the prior rounds. Yes, it does happen but tonight's failure of trap 4 looks really bad for an ailing sport.

To me, Towcester looks like an unreliable track and it is plain stupid running the sport's top race somewhere where those in attendance are separated from the action by the width of an ex-horse racing track! Proves that TV money is everything but that all withstanding, tonight was just plain sad to see.  With the dogs being so far away from the crowd, it's not even like the famous 'Derby Roar' can be used an excuse.

And let me end by making it very clear...I had no financial interest in the race. I just wanted to see the top race of a sport I used to love so much go the way of the dog with the best form. It was not to be and I cannot help but feel the result is another nail in the coffin of UK greyhound racing. I hope someone sensible on here can convince me differently!

There no given right that the jolly should win derby final or any other final in that case

Them Nails going in on what we witnessed from crayford tonight every other track that’s running four dog races million sprints , dogs running every 3-4 days
I totally agree with you about towcester
Rex losing tonight just another jolly getting beat that’s it

swords rex was taken on by layers all week as there was a real belief that he could be in trouble to the bend and for that to happen he would have to either completely or partially miss the start or be joined early by dogs who put in an improved break......considering the form of the dog the prices on offer of odds against and evens were very generous prices as it looked to be a 4/6 chance on performances and draw.......i know there is a market for people laying at the evens mark because they cant lose too much should they get it wrong so i put the odds on offer down to opinion.......rex seemed to lose purchase at the lid rise which lead to the delayed pushing off into his early burst behind fast dogs......no room and no path....i thought he ran a very good race from the position he found himself in and for me it was very unfortunate but one of those things.......as mentioned in an earlier post the trainer did say the winner was a dog returning from injury having been laid out for the competition with a late decision to take his place only having a few sprint races in preparation and was a very fast dog on the improve......as his other dogs were an unbeaten machine and the track record holder it was no surprise to think of him as the third string but in fact he was significantly better than that so i would say the winner was more of a triumph for the trainer in actual training ability and for those watching a deserved winner....rather than a nail in the coffin i would say its a hats off to graham hollands team along with Gaytime Nemo who was probably the most appropriately name dog for the same day Pride celebrations..............

Great night last night. Awesome racing. Very very surprised at Rex. Moments like that make me wonder. Fixed? Fed? But it was nothing to do with the track or towcester as some people immediately refer too.

Couple of thousand at towcester last night. Protestors almost ruined it. Why were they so prominent this year compared to others? They seem to be winning. If you guys love the sport so much, as i do, there needs to be more support and a reason to go to the racing. The sport is very clique and a 'not what you know but who you know' sport. There seems to be no avenue for new young people to come to the racing. Theres no help, hard to find replays, and people get laughed at if they can't read a racecard. I fear if it carries on this way the protesting against greyhound racing will win and greyhound racing will be banned. This will all be finished. Theres only a small double figure number of people in the country that work the arses off trying to provide top quality racecards whenever possible for people like us. But there needs to be more incentive.

Not one person complained about the track last night. The track before is an old horse track so there is only a short amount of grass in between yourself and the dog track. Its not that far from the action at all. Surely thats better. If you were right next to the track these animal activists would be jumping on at every moment. And it only takes one numpty to get too excited and throw their bottle or whatever onto the track, as seen at Doncaster the other day. Towcester will possibly change the fencing so you could be on the grass a bit more. There have been talks of it. Theyre trying to be better and better every year. Support rather than slander. Racing needs it. Otherwise, banned incoming.

Ntown Clown..a spirited defence of last night and of Towcester. BUT, two points you make surely need further thought?

1/ Having a track separated by the width of a horse racing track is not ideal and trying to justify it by saying that it stops the protestors is actually giving in to the protestors! If security cannot be properly employed to stop these idiots then we are in grave trouble at all our sporting events. What next, hold a Test Match with a lat around the playing area. (The real answer is for our judiciary to bang it up these mad-minded people with some real heavy jail sentences.)

2/ The fact nobody was complaining last night is because, I rather suspect, almost none of those in attendance had ever been to White City or Wimbledon on final night. Try and imagine if the World Snooker Final was moved from Sheffield to a warehouse in Milton Keynes or somewhere else. It would take along while for Sheffield to be forgotten and the event would suffer as a whole.

But this is a wider argument about our society as a whole. Sadly, our younger generations are having more and more dross inflicted upon them and know no different, hence to them it is the norm and that is exactly how standards slip.

I am glad those there last night enjoyed the evening but, believe me, my visit to last year's final will remain my last.

I’m glad the one time a year lot enjoy it
I went on Thursday first day
That was enough for me

Watch delight in stayers race
Rd last corner just no where for dogs to go rd the bends
Even jet in last almost made a mistake going inside

I don’t think the place fit for derby circuit wise that’s my opinion
I think where go rd in circles debating it

Fattie  if anyone thinks this track is fit for purpose then they are severely deluded and have know idea what a proper and fair running track is. You rightly point out the 712 race earlier when there are only 2 dogs running on going into the second last bend  the 1 and the 3 both completely lost round the last 2 bends ! It was like a pinball machine watching them getting knocked from pillar to post . Reference the Derby  very very few dogs passed on the outside around the last 2 bends , if you took that route dogs seemed to be treading and loosing their action  . Another point if I may usually I look for anomalies from the start to the finish of the Derby how many photo finishes were there for first place ?. Can’t think of many which I think adds to the view that making up ground around the last 2 bends and the home straight was extremely difficult ie not fair hence **** track
However got the e/w 80-1 Cochise ,! Thank god for photo finish eh ,, lol

Alot of industry pros and experienced passionate heads always at Towcester.
If the track is that bad.. why hasn’t it changed? No support? No money?
Is it a poorly run place? Nobody else wants the derby at their track.. according to boothby last night.

I still have a bet or two each day on the dogs but have almost given up commenting on the state of the game as its all been said before and we have to accept that things will only get worse as described by Aladdin on another thread which mentioned 10 yes TEN two bend so called races at Towcester today. That card is a disgrace and an insult to any proper greyhound fan.

Alot of industry pros and experienced passionate heads always at Towcester.

Are they being Feed up by any chznce

I have to admit never reckoned I say this but Towcester is ok track since the introduction of the new traps for the four bend trip

It’s much fairer start now and dogs that trap well generally trap well and dogs that are slow away generally are slow away

I think the track sand has bedded in more over the past 6 months or so and it’s easier to come from behind now

That’s one thing alot of people never comment on is the reason dogs struggle to come from behind now compared with say 20 years ago is due the sand type? The quick drying sand nowadays favours the front runners much more than the older type sand that retained much more water

Although afraid a lot of wide runners did seem to struggle around the third and four bends like normal last night

And PS I had a good bet on the winner at 9-1 as you could tell it weren’t a trap one dog and had a fair chance of leading up

5.08

a forum full of pessimists without boothby no derby agree wrong track but the the rest of the boll  ocks posted here about the sand and the bends kin hell wimbledon was not even fit for derby after wood lane get a grip within 5 years it will be banned

Can’t really see why your saying Wimbledon was not fit for derby

Though you never really said if was running surface or stadium ?

For memory at the Wimbledon the only year was major problem with the track was one year when loads of dogs in the first round ran into the inside first bend rail

This included gatimore lad - spelling ain’t right probably

Was trained by Geoff de mulder

I believe painted the outside first bend wall green and it actually seemed to work

Though I stick to my point regarding the sand, I do think in the summer it’s generally harder now to win off the pace than say 10 to 20 years ago

The thing people have to understand and accept is that Towcester is not responsible for the loss of White City, Wimbledon or Walthamstow.  And it is not going to happen.  The people I read on here just hate the place.
Moan, moan, moan about Towcester and that;s about it.  No solutions offered other than go to great surfaces/tracks who unfortunately cannot provide the facilities required.
For anyone to suggest that the track was responsible for both favs. not "doing it" last night is just laughable.
Actually it is pitiful.

solutions

Are the track needs to be re configurated on template of shelbourne
We’ve said this from dot one !
Imo you can’t have derby run around a track that not built for passing !
At crucial stages of a race, third, and fourth bend

Got more chance rd crayford last bend than towcester

The venue and ability to stage a derby they have it hands down
Other than moving rail closer to action it be spot on as spectacle
But like I said the configuration bends are wrong end off
Iron out the lids great got water on the track great

I thought Sheffield was on turn but you can pass rd that track unlike towcester
Towcester washing line affect

Absolute drivel.

Try educating you about
Towcester with posttopillar befor his derby

What’s drivel ??

CALLING CASEMONEY

You educate me.  That;s the best I;ve heard for a while.