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wonder why the lesser spotted left the post
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sorry sparrow the lesser spotted woodcock double entende
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I did wonder wedge
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Shocking way of writing,didnt they have a £ on their keyboard/printer,all very amateurish.
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remember this well......heard on the grape vine back then.....jonathan kay and jimmy austin had it right off...well attempted 2
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At Hackney in the 80s I think, when there was an attempted scam, but forget the details.
There was a new Anglo-Irish Invitation race at Hackney Wick between 3 Irish & 3 English dogs. The Irish dogs were trialled using duff ringers, who trialled in very averagely. 3 Irish flying machines lined up for the actual race, and finished 1,2,3 but the skulduggery was discovered and bets were held. Can you remember this case Sparrow ? |
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No Rothman I can't, despite being brought up in Hackney I was in Yorkshire by 1970 yet ought to have known about that.
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My greatest memory was the Dagenham Coup of 1964 whilst working for Maxie Parker's betting shop in Poland Street Central London. £987+ for a 2 shilling forecast!! but they never got paid as Barry Dennis will tell you.
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One of only a couple of tracks I never got to, but goug to afternoon meetings there were never too
many there, so easy to work a coup. We managed to fix the Stow tote every meeting, so can be done if you know what to do ![]() |
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My most memorable meeting was at Wembley over 710m.
Round the 2nd last bend, Scurlogue was about 30L behind Jet Circle, and got to win a length or so. People watched the replay, and most of us didn't think it would get up , even knowing it did get up. Unbelievable performance. Every time the dog ran, they had sold out of programs before the first race, and that was when dog racing was the 2nd best attended sport - after fishing ![]() |
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Great memories Rothman
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBBHclrMcvs
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Cheer that goes up down the back electric
Than it stops dead than roar comes again In the back straight I’d that wouldn’t make your hairs stand on end than nothing would Well Befor my time but like only fools Can’t enough them vids |
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Home straight
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I posted that video a couple of days ago on the racing needs to resume thread. Scurlogue was probably the greatest attraction our sport has ever seen and ever likely to see.
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This was one of my favourites
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Freaky
It’s like 450-500 in button switch on inside him double the speed Like watching Frankel double the stride of anythink |
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i started going to shawfield in 85 when i was 12 and i am sure scurlogue ran at shawfield then,i go back often and watch the vids on youtube because it just shows you how exciting greyhound racing is,i know he was a one off but what a superstar.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz0Utl30A0U
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He did win at ashfield garryc.
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the dog was either the freakiest thing ever seen or
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He was a just a brilliant dog who was very intelligent and decided after a while that he would do what he wanted to do. In that Wimbledon video I posted he seemed to stop chasing altogether then at the 6th bend appeared to change his mind and race. I believe at the time some tracks would offer connections appearance money just to run in their marathons.
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sparrow I have only ever seen one other dog with the will to win from behind the hawk
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Very different in their attitudes though as Scurlogue had very much a mind of his own. Sometimes the champ would even decide to be up their early on in his races as some of the videos show. Despite watching greyhounds since the 1950s I had never seen anything like him before or since and not likely to either.
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I'm sure a friend of mine told me back in the day that Ken Peckham bought the dog out of a Scottish flapper , so that
has now been confirmed, Privatehire. I presume it was in a handicap, as much scots racing is of that type. |
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Rothman.....Wikipedia says the following if it's to be beleved.
Scurlogue Champ was a black dog whelped in July 1982 by Sand Man, out of Old Rip. He was bred by Francis Kent from Levittstown, County Wexford and was one of a litter of six dogs and two bitches. He moved to John Byrne on a farm where he received his name before being sold to Jim Sutton, who reared him. After several races in Ireland he was put up for sale at the May 1984 Shelbourne Park sales. Owner/trainer Ken Peckham took him to England, after agreeing a price for £1,700, with Irish trainer Brendan Matthews who had won the sales bidding at 1500 guineas |
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*believed
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the sad thing is if he was running now you would hardly get a race to run him in
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Rothman i was at ashfield to back a dog for ngrc trainer. There were several supporting opens. He won the long race. Bus load with him.
At that time on scottish flaps u could get huge amounts of money on. John mcgee was with ken peckham. They got there few quid n skulked back over border. garryc is 100% correct. The marathon division very poor these days. My best mate had leg in roxholme magic. He will tell u it was a complete waste of time owning her. Thrilling wen she won. Couldn,t get a race for her. Cant remember who posted wen i was at charlies suncrest sail an spring rose charlie used to get a monkey wen they were in there pomp. Tracks would ring us up and beg us to enter. Crowdpullers. Not many if any these days. |
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private...The industry no longer understands what the ordinary racegoer prefers to see and if tracks won't cater for distance racers then the breeders will not bother either. I have all but given up the game I once loved and it's a crying shame.
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Just my opinion sparrow. The introduction of american and australian breeding has ruined our game. Irish lines were toughened by the odd coursing line. As u know i was a kennelhand for 30 yrs. Them australian dogs most aint worth a sausage. If they get led they lie down. Thats my opinion an i 100% believe it. Yes they are great wen they are of the front. Wen they,re behind not worth a carrot. Trainers spent to much time an money trying to find out y there charge ran so bad thinking it was lame wen all they were were gutless. These opinions are my own.
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private...It might well be the case as you put it but you would know much more than I about the breeding side of things. Were you involved when it was all grass tracks and if so which did you prefer grass or turf?
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As a spectacle grass all day long. Grass imo was ok during summer months winter north of the border with extremes of weather much harder to maintain. Powderhall had undersoil heating which was massive advantage. I believe the sand is much easier to maintain. U got 2 entirely different types of injuries from both surfaces. Toes wrist injuries more prevalent imo on grass. With introduction of sand u got the dreaded sandburn with the amount of racing these days nye on impossible to keep on top of.
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My thoughts on sand is the amount of different biases that occur. On grass you only seemed to have rain that affected the going but on sand it varies tremendously and as we all well know can be easily manipulated by the tractors. On a banked grass track following heavy rain you could just forget about railers.
Interesting to hear about the different types of injuries sustained which I hadn't really thought about and probably should have done. |
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im old I am not thick well I don't think I am
but how the hell does a tractor going round create a bias oh and before some bright spark mentions the bowser please enlighten me |
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So wedge you are saying that the bowser makes no difference to the track going?
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The point I was making wedge was the difference between a bias on the grass and a bias on the sand whereby a sand bias can be altered at anytime during a meeting by the bowser.
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sparrow a bowser is on the end of a tractor watering the surface the same amount is evenly dispersed
a rake on the back levels the sand where does a bias occur because like I stated I must be thick |