WHAT A JOKE TRYING TO BET GREYHOUNDS IN THE YEAR 2017

Not good.

its a joke

gentlemen this is a forum of an betting exchange and you are complaining about odds stick your bet up and play that's what the big guns do

that is one of the worst comments about betting on here ive seen inc what woody used to say

I think wedge was just saying not to bother with bookmakers and play on here.

that's all v well sparrow but the firms make more mistakes than this place does and they tend to drop more than the odd whopper

also if you want derivative markets this place never has the liquidity

Rickets on here as well wonders. I accept you can't bet early on here but that's never interested me at all. I suppose we all have our different way of playing as many of my bets are place only and no bookmaker offers those markets.

for horse racing there are place only markets
hills, PP etc

i would say 90 per of my bets are shorter on here than they are with high st bookmakers to many clever people on here who don't make many ricks

I haven't bet with an off course bookmaker for more than 15 years so you are probably right. I very much doubt there would be any value in those markets and anyway from what I hear you would soon be restricted. Can't do with all that nonsense after 50+ years of betting.

That post was to wonders re. place markets with bookmakers.

doc is right, the smart money gets channelled onto here and the ricks are few and far between imo

sometimes what you (you generally) perceive to be a rick on here isn't even a rick, it is a non trier, lame dog, whatever

i would have to agree with wedge.......dr your comments applied 15 years ago....you cant get on and that's that...you just have to be with the dogs you want to be with and put up more at shorter odds to get what you need.....accept it makes the bad days grim but what are you going to do......I found the constant moaning became a distraction.....

you just have to be with the dogs you want to be with and put up more at shorter odds to get what you need.....accept it makes the bad days grim but what are you going to do......

I'm surprised at you winja, I normally agree with you fella but jeez this is bollox mate

I think the ricks I'm talking about are mainly at the bigger price range and in the place markets. People don't look so closely on those markets and concentrate on the win market. But to be fair I'm not the sort of punter who looks for this sort of thing and it's a case of sometimes I get a bigger price and other times I don't. Many would they say that's daft but I like to play my own way and against the crowd.

wow winja you surprise me maybe i don't play as heavy as you but if i had to play on here without earlys think i would have to stop betting on dogs no value taking 7t4 dogs that have been 3t1

agree doc, zero chance of me doing that

if white flag has to go up betting dogs then it goes up, plenty of other things to earn out of

correct wonders you keep taking 7t4 dogs that have been 3t1 you will go skint over time 1.01

wonders/dr...say I want to be with a dog and its 4/1 with ladbrokes.....I want a 1200/300 what chance.....not a bean on line.....how many shops and how much each time assuming they don't cut it after the first 50.......I just play the market on here and if its 2/1 I have a monkey.....your both right no value but that's life now.....on the odd occasion it flips the other way and I play at bigger on here.....I wont mark their card for a bowl of rice...feck them....in the long term if you are backing more winners than losers it will work out....if not better find a job.....

hope you have deep pockets winja because you are going to need them

if you are taking 2t1 dogs that are 4t1 and you are winning at the game you are a genius winja

maybe your right dr but that been the way I play for a good few years now.......when you really want to be with a dog you need to maximise your return and if that means I risk more so be it......and when you say taking 2/1 dogs that were 4/1 its not a true reflection because you cant get on.....they may as well be 40.......

if you are betting dogs @ 2/1 that have been 4/1 and you are still winning in the long run then I take my hat off to you because I am good but I am not that good

when I say maybe your right dr.....it wasn't that I am a genius it was the deep pockets comment.......

i really don't know what to say winja i really don't so all i will say is good luck to you winja and that is not in a nasty way

but surely you are making the dogs 6/4-7/4 max to be taking 2/1??

if that's the case then couple of shops (if possible) is worth the effort to get 50-100 @ 4/1 imo but if you play much bigger I can understand your point

maybe multiples are the way to go to get your money rolling up

correct winja about deep pockets because believe me you are going to need them

In my view early markets have been the ruination of the markets. I remember when they were first introduced in the horse racing markets purely as an early warning system by bookmakers and it's worked a treat for them. They get their cards marked every morning for very little money.

Dr I share your frustrations and both you and wonders are correct and if I could get what I wanted at nice fat juicy rick prices I would be overjoyed but if you are doing the work but cant get on what are you going to do......not have a bet or take unders....if you are taking unders you may as well get what you want from it.....if the dog was silly short then of course you wipe your mouth......too much of that however and you may as well find another hobby....

100% agree with you there sparrow

if my dad was alive today and saw this thread oh my god batten down the hatches

tell me you're fishing winja and all will be forgiven

i bet when your dad was alive and betting it was a different playing field dr...

you got to have an edge in anything you bet on number 1 rule in gambling

Our father's lived in a different world, doc. Mine was an on course clerk and just would not recognise this sort of thing.

yes just think if bookmakers these days would lay a proper bet

not a worm in sight wonders.........i was a guest of betfair at ascot the Saturday after the betfair sports book started and barry orr was in the box....i said i was disappointed that i could not have a penny on sportsbook and it was shameful they have not allowed me to at least win a few quid before banning me.....he was embarrassed and said that was not right and of course i should be able to have a bet......i logged on to his computer and he saw and got on the phone all bullish.....he then came back and said unfortunately anyone who pays the premium charge or has paid the premium charge were not wanted....all the guests could not believe it and said what if we win we cant have a bet...he was ashamed but now when i see him on the telly he has fallen in line.....winners are the enemy....it wont change now.....it will just get worse.....

Bookmakers in our father's day worked on larger margins than today but you could get on what you liked. But that 4/1 shot you were talking about just wouldn't be there it would be a 3/1 chance at best.

its just the norm now ,but it does my head in ,for instance fancied a dog this morning  at swindon 5/1 opening show and i know i cant get a bean on it,opened just over 5/1 on here and by the time i got all my money on my average was 7/2 ,its a nightmare but what can you do

dr . atkins
07 Apr 17 19:45
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that is one of the worst comments about betting on here ive seen inc what woody used to say
doc appreciate this my comment was indeed meant to convey that bet on here the exchange
understand your frustration with early prices but they are offered to reflect if you make a bet a 4/1 chance
surely then there must be 1 or 2 you assume shorter if that's the case use exchange to get your value as for being likened to woody I love a compliment

you have to move with the times. If you dont you will go skint
bookies dont take bets we all know that. either reinvent yourself or go skint

Winja, if you want £300 on,do you not try bit and pieces with various firms?

we all know it is getting harder and harder to get on.
why look at BET365 early prices when u know you cannot get on .
easier way, make a price about your selection and if it bigger on here , bet it.
if it is lower, leave it or maybe have some forecasts.

deptford my philosophy is if those coonts wont lay a bet why would I waste my time grovelling for a bet and marking their card at the same time......also I want the betfair price to be as big as possible so I would be working against myself........starship that was my mantra for years....learned from some very clever people.....however as noted before....you keep leaving bets wheres the fun.....

I could never go back to betting with bookmakers and it's 15 years since I did and long before all this nonsense of running around 12 hours before the off.

If you get invited to a sporting event by betfair or bookmakers you are surely the type who is happy to take
6/4 about a 9/4 down the road for whatever you want!

fecking reel your neck in you cheeky coont......guest of a guest.....who is a very good judge....

Winja, Captain has sussed you!!!! I spat my Champagne out reading that

Something that puzzles me is that H1lls have 3 greyhound compilers I think. Why? Not sure about the other so called big firms. But earlies seem to go up later and later, Ante Post offerings get less and less. What are these fellas getting paid for?

sparrow if you ever want an edge to dissappear broadcast it on here

What edge are we talking about here, irish?

i got no complaints when bookies do not lay arbers.
i understand when they wont lay a bet at the opening show.
would you lay a bet on some one elses prices?
BUT
when they price up races they should be made to lay a mimmium bet.
why employ odds compilers if you dont want to lay a bet?

a tissue is was it is a guide you either get matched or cut odds  that's the rule you want larger put it up if someone disagrees with your opinion they will match you hey that's why its an exchange fu  ck the bookies they all run this site

Going into a betting shop now I feel like a criminal asking for a price

hello hello

"starship • April 9, 2017 2:16 PM BST
i got no complaints when bookies do not lay arbers."

I have, all they do is give punters a bet and lay it off at bigger odds on here
they are the biggest arbers going

i thought it was just dogs but nope the horses are the same it's an embarrassment and for starship was not a arb market not formed on betfair yet

i got no complaints when bookies do not lay arbers."
if the bookie started with 1 million pound and the arber started with £10, 000. and just laid the arber,
the bookie could go skint, the arber could not

that took some working out

i think we should all remember betting on dog races with massive overrounds then paying 9 per cent tax as well no wonder i was always skint now we have the choice if we think a dog is too short we have 3 choices back lay or abstain if somebody told u that 20 years ago u wouldn't believe them. years ago it was all about being a good judge  now its just as important to be a good punter

that took some working out..Laugh
cheers
i was up all night working that out

irishone
10 Apr 17 13:10
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I have, all they do is give punters a bet and lay it off at bigger odds on here
they are the biggest arbers going

that's not arbing that's the road to ruin

The main issue for bookmakers pricing up early is a lack of liquidity and confidence in the markets. Also they are unable or unwilling to pay for decent judges to price up tracks properly and put the time in (in fairness there is not the liquidity there to justify it). Now it is relatively easy to watch the videos and form an opinion, it tends to me even more the case that everyone fancies the same dog in every race. Years ago at the Stow this happened a lot....you could see it on betfair how 1 and half dogs were smashed in a lot of races and the other four drifted.....now it happens regularly at the tracks where the right/warm people play...there is actual cash for very few runners. All that happens if the firms stand their ground with early prices is that ten people all want to back one dog....long term they have no chance tbh (not excusing some of their behaviour, just trying to explain it)

Now it is relatively easy to watch the videos and form an opinion, it tends to me even more the case that everyone fancies the same dog in every race. Years ago at the Stow this happened a lot....you could see it on betfair how 1 and half dogs were smashed in a lot of races and the other four drifted


agree with you completely lightbulbs

I find at a certain track I play everyone wants to bet the same pool of dogs, there is no value on here if you cannot get the earlies

in fact I would say its gone so far that if you bet all the "dogs to be on" on here then you have little or no chance of winning
not that there is any such thing as the dogs to be on, all dogs have their prices

the value imo is on the dogs who nobody wants to bet but which you can make a legitimate case for at their prices

obviously you will bet a few lame dogs, non triers etc along the way but if you are taking inflated prices about dogs you have to live with that

Bookmakers pay compilers good money for their so called opinion so it is alarming the way things are. Especially when they will price up at well over 120% in most races.
It baffles me how these blokes are still employed. Hills have 3 on dogs, 365 at least 2. Are they not frustrated at obviously not being rated, or more likely just happy to ride the gravy train and stop anyone with half a clue.
What I find most frustrating of all is that those who work for the firms are more often than not the biggest moaners at not being able to get on themselves with other firms. Hypocrites and parasites.

I cannot understand how these people still have jobs if they are not pricing much up and not taking a bet

if I was shareholder in any of the firms, I'd be banging on the door for them all to be sacked because they do absolutely jack sh1t for their money

Right I will pick up for them, I know odds compilers who work for 2 of the firms. First things first they are not paid good money, they get pretty average wages. Secondly do you think if they where able to just go and lay their opinion with no repercussions they'd still be refusing so many bets? Remember these are opinionated people as well so why would they not be happy to lay their opinion with their firms money that employs them. Thirdly it's a lot different for them having to price up 5,6,7 meetings when we only have to specialise on 1 or 2 tracks, the odds are then heavily stacked against them.

I hate the fact I cannot get on with any of the firms either, it does my fkin head in when you see what you know to be a massive rick but cannot take it but that's the way it is these days. Slandering the actual compilers I don't agree with as of those I know they're just the same as most of us (punters) who are doing what their employer wants them to do thus keeping their jobs.

Punters just have to accept that bookmakers are entitled to run their business however they see fit .I dont agree with what they do but there is no point fretting about it.
I was shut down by 365 a couple to weeks ago after a being tolerated for about 18 months to take out £500 on the early prices.Hardly a kings ransom but worth having on prices that were often comically inaccurate.Life goes on.
It is bizarre that they go to the trouble of pricing up but then dont lay a bet because they have no confidence in their own prices.But thats their funeral.

yes...agree to all points above.. the traders are paid in the region of 25-30k depending on experience...they probably have 60-100 races to price up on a busy day and try and monitor....even a genius is going to struggle to do that properly on a daily basis, and they clearly are not that. Modern bookmaking is no longer entertaining a few shrewdies to mark your card and trade according, it is all about establishing a mass customer base of recreational players who bet little and often on everything....the dogs is a tiny, tiny cog in the wheel unfortunately.....can see both sides of the argument....but little doubt we all end up on betfair battling for a few crumbs of value away from the obvious

odds compilers?
yeaterday in the RACING POST 5.22 crayford last goodbye 7/2.
now i know BET 365 are going go around the 7/2 mark.
they go up early price 7/2.
all the good judges know it is a 6/4 shot.
it won and returned 7/4, it was a account closure.
as i said odds compilers,
the look at the racing post prices, add a piont here deduct a point there,
is that odds compiling?

I am not slagging them PF, I am saying why the feck have they got jobs if they are so defensive??

don't even bother pricing up if you are not going to lay them, and consequently if they are not pricing up then time to find other ways of earning a living

It is bizarre that they go to the trouble of pricing up but then dont lay a bet because they have no confidence in their own prices

exactly

Modern bookmaking is no longer entertaining a few shrewdies to mark your card and trade according, it is all about establishing a mass customer base of recreational players who bet little and often on everything....the dogs is a tiny, tiny cog in the wheel unfortunately

also agree

3 odds compilers at hills is an absolute fkin joke

flying 4 races each + a few more races when comps are on/sky cards etc
A/P they price up less than they did in years gone by
hotbox prices which are copy and paste from RP prices
distances which is 2 minute job
1 special a day dog X to win by more than 5l @ 6/4 ffs

whatever they are paid it is money for old rope

PP price up every race cut prices for £0-£20
365 has any count got an account with them still
lads similar to hills, few more hotbox markets etc I find them generally ok although early prices different story
danny sat on his arse doing nothing??
missed any out

The long and the sort of it is...the odds compilers generally speaking have no idea whether things are 7/4 or 7/1...they are getting less than 2k a month after tax and want to stay out of trouble...taking on warm people is a way of losing their job in the longer term. Much easier to bet to 130pc, chop prices and restrict accounts to pennies...lay the proven mugs/recreational punters and keep your head down. Again, not saying it is a good thing, but thats the way it is...once everyone has run out of pals to get accounts, we all end up on betfair thrashing about with all the sharks

The thing that feckin irritates me is how the feck are these koonts allowed to advertise on TV WITHOUT a warning that if you win we may close/restrict your account... Smoking advertising was banned from TV altogether and smoking kills was made to have to appear on the boxes. What feckin regualation is there for punters? No reckon regulation thats what there is. A feckin terms and conditions apply bit at the bottom of TV advertising is not enough. If these koonts want to advertise just so they can get mugs and recreational people betting with them it should be made law that they advertise with 'if you win we may close/restrict your account'. If these koonts don't want to advertise with this, a regulating body should put in place that a minimum £500 take out should stand for any bet. £500 is not a great figure but would be a start, if you can win £500 off a spin of the roulette wheel in the shop or spin of the bandits you should be able to win at least that off a **** bet. If the books were made to have this rule and they didn't like it, maybe then they might start head hunting proper compliers and put them on a decent wage instead of hiring monkeys for peanuts knowing the fact they can get away with it with their current practise.
All this bolloxx about their a business they are entitled to only lay who they want, right thats fine if they want to play by that rule, feckin state it on their TV advertising clearly so people are aware of this before opening an account with them, knowing that if they get good at what they do making a profit that they will get barred eventually. The industry is the least regualted industry in the feckin country, legalised feckin drug dealers they are at present, its a national disgrace.

deanstheman
well said,

what the bookmakers should do is between them all have an odds compiler for each track paid between all bookies who surely then would be able to be confident in his market as he would have the time to know the dogs and watch the videos,then maybe they would lay a bet,just now its all guess work until the money comes then cut the odds and limit the account,cowards

in reply to premierfantasy. I wasn't slagging off odds compilers (I was once one myself) but was making a valid point.
The guys worth their salt would hate to be seen as copy/paste merchants and take pride in what they put up, and certainly want to lay them to decent money before cutting. Whats happening now must be soul destroying for the blokes who try to do it properly.
Restrictions and stopped accounts aren't going to change. However a proper compiler/ trader will have a say in this and at least give everyone a decent run. Many a mug gets restricted on the back of a couple of bets that bracket them with the shrewdies because of an overzealous and lacking in knowledge new kid on the trading block.
These same new kids then cry their leg off after being restricted themselves, usually trying to get on with information coming from others not themselves.
Its a sorry state and only likely to get worse

Good point garryc. Maybe firms should appoint freelance compilers who get paid per meeting on odds they supply. Like the old tissues.

i agree with dean.....there all coonts.....

i agree with donald trump

Do you think there take a bet
If the likes of say p star done a card
For frim say Friday night ?
No
Do I want him doing one
NO ****G WAY
I want clueless copy and paste

Using Patrick and example same goes
For dr on graded at Romford
Don't want fuvkers near a frim

a mate of mine went into paddy power.
i ask him what price a dog was on the earlies.
he said 5/1.
i said to him have me  £1000 TO £200 .
paddy layed him.
then slashed the price to 5/2 and barred my mate from the show for being a shrewdie.
this is two hours before the race.
the dog was stll 5/1 with NOBET365.
dog got beat

Maybe i have been spoilt with the trainers i have had dogs with over the years

Wrong thread

365 priced up 5 races tonight and made a rick with me

Sportsbook, disgrace, all I wanted was £15 ew 50/1 shot for The Derby,offered me £4

you are doing well deptford getting £4 on with sportsbook

I have no idea how anybody can get on ?

Every firm that goes up early has barred or limited me to pennies...

What happens when everybody in profit gets told they no longer want their business ?

How do the "experts" on rpgtv get a bet ?

pat ....if you are a winner and you are a specialist you might not be able to get on

talk about stating the bleeding obvious

if you are a recreational punter .... you wont have an issue


wafd

"ring up customer services and ask them to review your account" trotted out again