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dr . atkins
07 Apr 17 15:17
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paddy's are playing bingo with the prices cut every dog if they take 200 or more and then don't push prices out of any other dogs.. 365 no one got any accounts left and coral ladcrooks hills don't even try

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By:
At_The_Dogs
When: 07 Apr 17 15:25
Not good.
By:
track record
When: 07 Apr 17 19:23
its a joke
By:
wedge1
When: 07 Apr 17 19:39
gentlemen this is a forum of an betting exchange and you are complaining about odds stick your bet up and play that's what the big guns do
By:
dr . atkins
When: 07 Apr 17 19:45
that is one of the worst comments about betting on here ive seen inc what woody used to say
By:
sparrow
When: 07 Apr 17 19:58
I think wedge was just saying not to bother with bookmakers and play on here.
By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Apr 17 20:01
that's all v well sparrow but the firms make more mistakes than this place does and they tend to drop more than the odd whopper Love

also if you want derivative markets this place never has the liquidity
By:
sparrow
When: 07 Apr 17 20:06
Rickets on here as well wonders. I accept you can't bet early on here but that's never interested me at all. I suppose we all have our different way of playing as many of my bets are place only and no bookmaker offers those markets.
By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Apr 17 20:08
for horse racing there are place only markets
hills, PP etc
By:
dr . atkins
When: 07 Apr 17 20:10
i would say 90 per of my bets are shorter on here than they are with high st bookmakers to many clever people on here who don't make many ricks
By:
sparrow
When: 07 Apr 17 20:15
I haven't bet with an off course bookmaker for more than 15 years so you are probably right. I very much doubt there would be any value in those markets and anyway from what I hear you would soon be restricted. Can't do with all that nonsense after 50+ years of betting. Grin
By:
sparrow
When: 07 Apr 17 20:17
That post was to wonders re. place markets with bookmakers.
By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Apr 17 20:17
doc is right, the smart money gets channelled onto here and the ricks are few and far between imo

sometimes what you (you generally) perceive to be a rick on here isn't even a rick, it is a non trier, lame dog, whatever
By:
Winja
When: 07 Apr 17 20:23
i would have to agree with wedge.......dr your comments applied 15 years ago....you cant get on and that's that...you just have to be with the dogs you want to be with and put up more at shorter odds to get what you need.....accept it makes the bad days grim but what are you going to do......I found the constant moaning became a distraction.....
By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Apr 17 20:25
you just have to be with the dogs you want to be with and put up more at shorter odds to get what you need.....accept it makes the bad days grim but what are you going to do......

I'm surprised at you winja, I normally agree with you fella but jeez this is bollox mate
By:
sparrow
When: 07 Apr 17 20:25
I think the ricks I'm talking about are mainly at the bigger price range and in the place markets. People don't look so closely on those markets and concentrate on the win market. But to be fair I'm not the sort of punter who looks for this sort of thing and it's a case of sometimes I get a bigger price and other times I don't. Many would they say that's daft but I like to play my own way and against the crowd.
By:
dr . atkins
When: 07 Apr 17 20:28
wow winja you surprise me maybe i don't play as heavy as you but if i had to play on here without earlys think i would have to stop betting on dogs no value taking 7t4 dogs that have been 3t1
By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Apr 17 20:31
agree doc, zero chance of me doing that

if white flag has to go up betting dogs then it goes up, plenty of other things to earn out of
By:
dr . atkins
When: 07 Apr 17 20:34
correct wonders you keep taking 7t4 dogs that have been 3t1 you will go skint over time 1.01
By:
Winja
When: 07 Apr 17 20:36
wonders/dr...say I want to be with a dog and its 4/1 with ladbrokes.....I want a 1200/300 what chance.....not a bean on line.....how many shops and how much each time assuming they don't cut it after the first 50.......I just play the market on here and if its 2/1 I have a monkey.....your both right no value but that's life now.....on the odd occasion it flips the other way and I play at bigger on here.....I wont mark their card for a bowl of rice...feck them....in the long term if you are backing more winners than losers it will work out....if not better find a job.....
By:
dr . atkins
When: 07 Apr 17 20:38
hope you have deep pockets winja because you are going to need them
By:
dr . atkins
When: 07 Apr 17 20:39
if you are taking 2t1 dogs that are 4t1 and you are winning at the game you are a genius winja
By:
Winja
When: 07 Apr 17 20:42
maybe your right dr but that been the way I play for a good few years now.......when you really want to be with a dog you need to maximise your return and if that means I risk more so be it......and when you say taking 2/1 dogs that were 4/1 its not a true reflection because you cant get on.....they may as well be 40.......
By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Apr 17 20:42
if you are betting dogs @ 2/1 that have been 4/1 and you are still winning in the long run then I take my hat off to you because I am good but I am not that good
By:
Winja
When: 07 Apr 17 20:44
when I say maybe your right dr.....it wasn't that I am a genius Laugh it was the deep pockets comment.......
By:
dr . atkins
When: 07 Apr 17 20:45
i really don't know what to say winja i really don't so all i will say is good luck to you winja and that is not in a nasty way
By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Apr 17 20:46
but surely you are making the dogs 6/4-7/4 max to be taking 2/1??

if that's the case then couple of shops (if possible) is worth the effort to get 50-100 @ 4/1 imo but if you play much bigger I can understand your point

maybe multiples are the way to go to get your money rolling up
By:
dr . atkins
When: 07 Apr 17 20:47
correct winja about deep pockets because believe me you are going to need them
By:
sparrow
When: 07 Apr 17 20:48
In my view early markets have been the ruination of the markets. I remember when they were first introduced in the horse racing markets purely as an early warning system by bookmakers and it's worked a treat for them. They get their cards marked every morning for very little money.
By:
Winja
When: 07 Apr 17 20:48
Dr I share your frustrations and both you and wonders are correct and if I could get what I wanted at nice fat juicy rick prices I would be overjoyed but if you are doing the work but cant get on what are you going to do......not have a bet or take unders....if you are taking unders you may as well get what you want from it.....if the dog was silly short then of course you wipe your mouth......too much of that however and you may as well find another hobby....
By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Apr 17 20:48
100% agree with you there sparrow
By:
dr . atkins
When: 07 Apr 17 20:49
if my dad was alive today and saw this thread oh my god batten down the hatches
By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Apr 17 20:50
tell me you're fishing winja and all will be forgiven Grin
By:
Winja
When: 07 Apr 17 20:50
i bet when your dad was alive and betting it was a different playing field dr...
By:
dr . atkins
When: 07 Apr 17 20:51
you got to have an edge in anything you bet on number 1 rule in gambling
By:
sparrow
When: 07 Apr 17 20:54
Our father's lived in a different world, doc. Mine was an on course clerk and just would not recognise this sort of thing.
By:
dr . atkins
When: 07 Apr 17 21:00
yes just think if bookmakers these days would lay a proper bet
By:
Winja
When: 07 Apr 17 21:00
not a worm in sight wonders....Grin.....i was a guest of betfair at ascot the Saturday after the betfair sports book started and barry orr was in the box....i said i was disappointed that i could not have a penny on sportsbook and it was shameful they have not allowed me to at least win a few quid before banning me.....he was embarrassed and said that was not right and of course i should be able to have a bet......i logged on to his computer and he saw and got on the phone all bullish.....he then came back and said unfortunately anyone who pays the premium charge or has paid the premium charge were not wanted....all the guests could not believe it and said what if we win we cant have a bet...he was ashamed but now when i see him on the telly he has fallen in line.....winners are the enemy....it wont change now.....it will just get worse.....
By:
sparrow
When: 07 Apr 17 21:03
Bookmakers in our father's day worked on larger margins than today but you could get on what you liked. But that 4/1 shot you were talking about just wouldn't be there it would be a 3/1 chance at best.
By:
garryc
When: 07 Apr 17 21:24
its just the norm now ,but it does my head in ,for instance fancied a dog this morning  at swindon 5/1 opening show and i know i cant get a bean on it,opened just over 5/1 on here and by the time i got all my money on my average was 7/2 ,its a nightmare but what can you do
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