dr . atkins
07 Apr 17 19:45
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that is one of the worst comments about betting on here ive seen inc what woody used to say
doc appreciate this my comment was indeed meant to convey that bet on here the exchange
understand your frustration with early prices but they are offered to reflect if you make a bet a 4/1 chance
surely then there must be 1 or 2 you assume shorter if that's the case use exchange to get your value as for being likened to woody I love a compliment

Winja, if you want £300 on,do you not try bit and pieces with various firms?

deptford my philosophy is if those coonts wont lay a bet why would I waste my time grovelling for a bet and marking their card at the same time......also I want the betfair price to be as big as possible so I would be working against myself........starship that was my mantra for years....learned from some very clever people.....however as noted before....you keep leaving bets wheres the fun.....

If you get invited to a sporting event by betfair or bookmakers you are surely the type who is happy to take
6/4 about a 9/4 down the road for whatever you want!

Winja, Captain has sussed you!!!! I spat my Champagne out reading that

sparrow if you ever want an edge to dissappear broadcast it on here

i got no complaints when bookies do not lay arbers.
i understand when they wont lay a bet at the opening show.
would you lay a bet on some one elses prices?
BUT
when they price up races they should be made to lay a mimmium bet.
why employ odds compilers if you dont want to lay a bet?

Going into a betting shop now I feel like a criminal asking for a price

"starship • April 9, 2017 2:16 PM BST
i got no complaints when bookies do not lay arbers."

i thought it was just dogs but nope the horses are the same it's an embarrassment and for starship was not a arb market not formed on betfair yet

that took some working out

that took some working out..Laugh
cheers
i was up all night working that out

The main issue for bookmakers pricing up early is a lack of liquidity and confidence in the markets. Also they are unable or unwilling to pay for decent judges to price up tracks properly and put the time in (in fairness there is not the liquidity there to justify it). Now it is relatively easy to watch the videos and form an opinion, it tends to me even more the case that everyone fancies the same dog in every race. Years ago at the Stow this happened a lot....you could see it on betfair how 1 and half dogs were smashed in a lot of races and the other four drifted.....now it happens regularly at the tracks where the right/warm people play...there is actual cash for very few runners. All that happens if the firms stand their ground with early prices is that ten people all want to back one dog....long term they have no chance tbh (not excusing some of their behaviour, just trying to explain it)

Bookmakers pay compilers good money for their so called opinion so it is alarming the way things are. Especially when they will price up at well over 120% in most races.
It baffles me how these blokes are still employed. Hills have 3 on dogs, 365 at least 2. Are they not frustrated at obviously not being rated, or more likely just happy to ride the gravy train and stop anyone with half a clue.
What I find most frustrating of all is that those who work for the firms are more often than not the biggest moaners at not being able to get on themselves with other firms. Hypocrites and parasites.

Right I will pick up for them, I know odds compilers who work for 2 of the firms. First things first they are not paid good money, they get pretty average wages. Secondly do you think if they where able to just go and lay their opinion with no repercussions they'd still be refusing so many bets? Remember these are opinionated people as well so why would they not be happy to lay their opinion with their firms money that employs them. Thirdly it's a lot different for them having to price up 5,6,7 meetings when we only have to specialise on 1 or 2 tracks, the odds are then heavily stacked against them.

I hate the fact I cannot get on with any of the firms either, it does my fkin head in when you see what you know to be a massive rick but cannot take it but that's the way it is these days. Slandering the actual compilers I don't agree with as of those I know they're just the same as most of us (punters) who are doing what their employer wants them to do thus keeping their jobs.

yes...agree to all points above.. the traders are paid in the region of 25-30k depending on experience...they probably have 60-100 races to price up on a busy day and try and monitor....even a genius is going to struggle to do that properly on a daily basis, and they clearly are not that. Modern bookmaking is no longer entertaining a few shrewdies to mark your card and trade according, it is all about establishing a mass customer base of recreational players who bet little and often on everything....the dogs is a tiny, tiny cog in the wheel unfortunately.....can see both sides of the argument....but little doubt we all end up on betfair battling for a few crumbs of value away from the obvious

I am not slagging them PF, I am saying why the feck have they got jobs if they are so defensive??

don't even bother pricing up if you are not going to lay them, and consequently if they are not pricing up then time to find other ways of earning a living

It is bizarre that they go to the trouble of pricing up but then dont lay a bet because they have no confidence in their own prices

exactly

Modern bookmaking is no longer entertaining a few shrewdies to mark your card and trade according, it is all about establishing a mass customer base of recreational players who bet little and often on everything....the dogs is a tiny, tiny cog in the wheel unfortunately

also agree

PP price up every race cut prices for £0-£20
365 has any count got an account with them still
lads similar to hills, few more hotbox markets etc I find them generally ok although early prices different story
danny sat on his arse doing nothing??
missed any out

The thing that feckin irritates me is how the feck are these koonts allowed to advertise on TV WITHOUT a warning that if you win we may close/restrict your account... Smoking advertising was banned from TV altogether and smoking kills was made to have to appear on the boxes. What feckin regualation is there for punters? No reckon regulation thats what there is. A feckin terms and conditions apply bit at the bottom of TV advertising is not enough. If these koonts want to advertise just so they can get mugs and recreational people betting with them it should be made law that they advertise with 'if you win we may close/restrict your account'. If these koonts don't want to advertise with this, a regulating body should put in place that a minimum £500 take out should stand for any bet. £500 is not a great figure but would be a start, if you can win £500 off a spin of the roulette wheel in the shop or spin of the bandits you should be able to win at least that off a **** bet. If the books were made to have this rule and they didn't like it, maybe then they might start head hunting proper compliers and put them on a decent wage instead of hiring monkeys for peanuts knowing the fact they can get away with it with their current practise.
All this bolloxx about their a business they are entitled to only lay who they want, right thats fine if they want to play by that rule, feckin state it on their TV advertising clearly so people are aware of this before opening an account with them, knowing that if they get good at what they do making a profit that they will get barred eventually. The industry is the least regualted industry in the feckin country, legalised feckin drug dealers they are at present, its a national disgrace.

what the bookmakers should do is between them all have an odds compiler for each track paid between all bookies who surely then would be able to be confident in his market as he would have the time to know the dogs and watch the videos,then maybe they would lay a bet,just now its all guess work until the money comes then cut the odds and limit the account,cowards