Sky TV, Trainer's Championship - Towcester

You need to stay, you get rewards if you lead and you can win from any box.

First time seen the 500 m traps with a camera close looking from behind

Jeez to stretch the trip out to 500 m had to move the traps so far back on the bend

The trap 6 box is practically touching the hare rail it's so wide on the track

But even then looking down from behind the boxes

In a lot of races the trap one dog is moving outwards at the start and not inwards to the rails

If your having a bet in a 500 m race you just need to try and pick the dog that leads round the first bend

Afraid it's a shambles of a test of a greyhound compared with Wimbledons 480 m trip

CC if that's what you think then best of luck to you sir but come back on here and post when you have done your bollox

cheers

if you have a fast starting railer who stays and is top class you should put it in the derby

ravage its the 1st time I've had a proper look at it from multiple camera angles as well and like you I could hardly be less impressed with it

but each to their own, if people like it then good for them

5 fckin years Please God Almighty someone see some sense

ribble atom just won about 1t3 i think

Give them this Year see how it goes , there has to be other Options ANYTHING TBH

At wimbledon 80% of railers moved off from boxes (they didnt do it at other tracks) but everyone
thought the track was Gods gift to greyhound racing.

At Towcester a big % of railers move off to a certain degree at the 1st bend and most middle/wides
are edging in. This causes plenty of trouble which gives the strong runners a big chance.

Its just callede change guys.

if you  cant get your dog round the bend in the first 3 you are prob a 100/1 shot if you are lasy as wonders says you are a gillion

I vote for pelaw grange for the derby instead as you get a better quality Sunday lunch

sittingbourne the trip with the long run to bend is

swindon the other night 509 ideally

actually give people a chance with proper boxes, sited properly, long run up, long straights

towcester has nothing to offer me as a greyhound enthusiast I will leave it at that as its sad being negative about it but I'm sorry that's the way the track is

Trap 1 box from the 500m boxes is actually fairly tight to the rail if you drew a striaght line - its just thats its on a shoot.

If at hove the straights were shorter the boxes would be in the same place as at towcester for 500/515.

Yes captain that was the main negative when the track swapped over to the other side

The traps were to close to the rails

You're right with the one box

I guess as comparing it with the old 480 m start and trip

the "new" 1st bend at the don moved outwards that was the problem there
the "old" 1st bend there was never a problem

I loved wimbledon from a punting and viewing point of view and think the English derby should distinguish itself from Irlland by being over 480m.

However, I have no doubt the towcester 500m will reward dogs that trap from any box, reward dogs that show early from any trap, reward dogs that stay 500m strongly and reward dogs with good trackcraft. After that the final and the trip along the way will be 40% luck like every dog race.

Haven't been there yet but track looks as if it's not conducive to exciting dog racing even though I won money tonight ,
Facilities l look the way forward and thought sky's programme tonight was good.
I think the blueprint of a greyhound track  inside a horse racing track could work at other venues with a much better track design any ideas ?

ffs you lot have you heard any trainer moaning about the track no 2 are the same some of yo on here do feck all but winge do you own do you feck your only concern is your pocket or ranting about bias its the way forward without towcester dog racing dies

yes, I've heard the trainers lunches were spot on

Can't argue with a lot of what wedge says

are we supposed to just say towcesters great because lord heskeths money backs it,i know the games struggling but telling lies never helps anything

if towcester the way forward then it's the end IF they do something to the track yes it could be a very good track its not about stuffing your face on good food

without towcester dog racing dies

do you really think hesketh is in it to save dog racing.?

one swing of the world stock markets or another property crash and dog racing would be the last thing on he's mind

bags, bookmakers and mug punters are the only saviours of this game

`if towcester's the way forward then it's the end'.

I honestly thought the world couldn't get anymore stupid after brexit and trump.

They are investing huge numbers in the game, they are attracting the best trainers, attracting new owners, giving
greyhound people a place they can take friends and family without having to apologise on the way in, trying to move away from a BAGS monopoly/stanglehold on the games finances. Just because the track is a bit different all that is worth ignoring.

i said earlier on the thread you have to commend lord hesketh for what hes doing but at the same time its not for the purist

garryc
28 Mar 17 21:46
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are we supposed to just say towcesters great because lord heskeths money backs it,i know the games struggling but telling lies never helps anything

nothing to do with the above just without towcester running greyhound racing the dogs would be fecked look at it another way we all loved white city well those of my era and then it went to the don utter khasi but hey they reversed the track who moaned only you lot not about track the fecking **** itself you youngsters out there that use a forum to vent your anger at change do not have the hound at heart I have owned for 45 years I love a bet and a trade I have been here since betfairs inception and I'm sick of you younger types talking **** oh and don't anyone pull me on lack of pronunciation

They are investing huge numbers in the game, they are attracting the best trainers, attracting new owners, giving
greyhound people a place they can take friends and family without having to apologise on the way in, trying to move away from a BAGS monopoly/stanglehold on the games finances.

agree with all of that

Just because the track is a bit different all that is worth ignoring

that is the problem, they have done nothing and I mean nothing but harp on about how fecking great all of the above is

I am with doc on this, with work (most likely a re-design and re-build tbh) the track could easily be a top track

but 1 more person in the media goes on about how amazing the facilities think I will vomit, it has been done to death about how great it is
I don't think anybody on here has questioned it have they

I remember when the City shut, everyone dissed Wimbledon, me included.
I remember when Pagan Swallow won the 1st Wimbledon Derby, an effing
grader for feck sake!!
Not saying Towcester is perfect but dogs don't get smashed up at the 1st
bend like lots of tracks, just give it time!!

as I said a few years back
I would be happy to hold derby in my back garden
could convert garage into kennels but it would be an all grass circuit
I run a fair bar and if its sunny on finals night I have a parasol I could put up
mrs tr will do a buffet

missing words lovely place and glorious

sounds perfect TR

DOC is spot on That aint Greyhound Racing if thats the End so be it ,Gaffs Alright for Stag Hen Dos ETC it is not a Greyhound track
Never Mind a Derby Track .....

Mon Toon Central and vue pish all over it in that respect ,the derby aint the Be all and end all G luck with the wedding partys etc ,they can hire the gaff out for a bit of HGV training ..
They went with the 8 dog Rubbish if they had built a cov  it would be fantastic ,they didnt  .

i am just happy to be called a youngster

one thing I do not understand
the main argumentative aunts on here moan about the track
why
have the trainers voiced concerns
all other comments are directed to the praise for the wonderful facilities
Wimbledon was a cesspit you all moaned
beggars belief you moan about progress
best you so called punters moaning aunts on here look for another way to do your boll0cks

if towcester think that they will sell their product overseas they are mistaken and who wants 8 dog races owners don't bookmakers don't it's in the middle of nowhere and it favours rails runner which you can get away with in graded races but when you have top top dogs running in the derby it will favour fast starting railers end of

We can all dress up in Wigs and dresses and Head down the Dilly  According to the JK vid thats the way forward

if greyhound people had the choice of a run down sh1t hole called wimbledon or a top stadium called towcester for the derby where do you think it would be held

Mar 28, 2017 -- 10:14PM, wedge1 wrote:

one thing I do not understandthe main argumentative aunts on here moan about the trackwhyhave the trainers voiced concernsall other comments are directed to the praise for the wonderful facilitiesWimbledon was a cesspit you all moanedbeggars belief you moan about progressbest you so called punters moaning aunts on here look for another way to do your boll0cks

if anybodys doing any moaning its you wedge,when has a trainer ever bad mouthed a track on tv ,never,if you like towcester then thats fine but it does not mean i cant be honest in what i think about it,i still bet at it but its not the best racing and you think it is then i am puzzled

that's my view doc, but I think towcester is extremely marmite and each to their own

...and the day people stop moaning on here, the north koreans will have landed

The Don .How Long till we have the Gay Night at TOWC ?

lets hear it for the boy

its called progress case pmsl

the derby should have gone to a track in the midlands or a different track each year [which i don't agree with but could put up with it]not hove or not newcastle

doc I own 2 wide runners and I mean serious wide entered so what price you lay me for the derby being won by a wide

why do i want to lay a wide runner winning the derby i am not a bookmaker i will bet my opinion when i see dogs trial at towcester if you have the opinion a wide runner will win the derby them my advice to you if you want it is wait because you will get way over the odds and then you can come back on here and tell us what a load of bo11ocks we have been saying over the last few mths oh and ps let's hope they don't overwater the ground

garry c
fair point if you think I was moaning truth is I was merely pointing out the folly of such also if towcester was a **** track why do the top trainers send hounds there

plus if a trap 6 wins the derby please don't do a woody and say because it was in trap 6 it was a wide runner

My read

7 from 8 races the winner had Led half  7 from 8 races RFC is the 2 dogs at halfway Work that fckin out

would have been 8 but one dog just pipped on line for 2nd

have towcester released any figures since they have been open to see if they are making a profit ? anyone know

Oh and maddison turned 2nd but led 3/4

dr . atkins
28 Mar 17 22:30
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plus if a trap 6 wins the derby please don't do a woody and say because it was in trap 6 it was a wide runner

doc if I stooped that low I would give up opinions are more important than criticism I have mine you have yours
#

ps definition of a wide is in the seeding

i know a few people who bet on greyhounds for a living but know none who play towcester are there any out there ?

cryptic tip
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Mar 28, 2017 -- 10:34PM, dr . atkins wrote:

have towcester released any figures since they have been open to see if they are making a profit ? anyone know

my understanding is its heavily subsidised by hesketh (ie its a loss making business right now or has been in the early years of being open)

I suspect that's right but some clarity on this would be nice

yes wedge1 and if a wide runner wins the derby my ante post book will be in the sh1t hole its all about opinions which is great about the game and long let it continue otherwise it would be a boring world and at the end of the day you will find me wonders and casemoney were right

Mar 28, 2017 -- 10:38PM, dr . atkins wrote:

i know a few people who bet on greyhounds for a living but know none who play towcester are there any out there ?

u struggle to get a bet on at towcester doc apart from when its on rpgtv and sky,bookies dont take bets on other night even if i could get on

towcester have done a few things very well number one letting owners see trials and stream all races which is fantastic and the way forward especially trials think all people who bet on greyhounds would love tracks to stream trials

write off to my bed going lingfield weds

the streaming is different class with all races and trials but thats probably why the books dont want to take bets on it when its not on tv

Wedge I am sure plenty of trainers think Towcestor is not a fair true test of a greyhound

But who is going to say this in public on TV no one

If that trainer did then I am sure dogs from that kennel would unfortunately not be picked for many opens when entered

I do admit it would be harder for comps do not pick the dog ifs it's a really good dog

But no trainer is going to crictise publicly

Someone like tony bullen is the only person who tells it how it is on RPTV

Someone like tony bullen is the only person who tells it how it is on RPTV
yea thats true ravage he is talking from a pure punters view,tells when a dog is a dodger aswell unlike the rest of them that have no clue or dont want to mention it

At every greyhound track that has ever existed the leaders have an advantage and the further back you are the bigger the disadvantage.Its just in the nature of what greyhound racing is.For me the poor design of Towcester accentuates this like no track i have ever seen before.Imo the derby can be won out of any trap if the dog traps in front.As for the derby competition as a whole i think the winners in each round will mostly be trappers/leaders and the qualifying places will be a totally random lottery.

Everyone slagging the place off again, perhaps they should bomb Crayford, Romford etc as most that lead there tend to win. Incidently, Towcester was built based on the Sandown design in Australia and from what i see, leaders win a lot of races around there various tracks. Best thing that could happen is that it is now out of the clutches of the GRA.......keeep moaning bedsit boys!

we all know about crayford and romford but don't say towcester is the mecca of greyhound racing it will have a bias to the rails runners in the derby FACT.and very silly to say people on here live in bedsits just because they have a different opinion to you

go racing  • March 29, 2017 12:21 PM BST 


Everyone slagging the place off again, perhaps they should bomb Crayford, Romford etc as most that lead there tend to win. Incidently, Towcester was built based on the Sandown design in Australia and from what i see, leaders win a lot of races around there various tracks. Best thing that could happen is that it is now out of the clutches of the GRA.......keeep moaning bedsit boys!


I have not moaned about the track (well yet anyway) as have seen hardly any racing there but surely you've hit the nail on the head with the problem (if on exists) people have, they've based the track on a track for 8 dog racing. Yes they want to run 8 dog meetings at Towcester for the Asian market (or something along them lines) so have their reasons for doing so.

As for Towcester in general they've been a breath of fresh air, their promotion of the Derby has been different class to what it was, they show races (and trials!!) which is absolutely brilliant and it's free, they're going out of their way to cater for the crowds Derby final night (buses from Northampton, Milton Keynes), looks like they're booking entertainment so the crowd can stay late at the track etc........................

I cannot fault them, some don't like the track design and the way races are run. Last night was pretty much the first time I sat down and watched a card around there, have previously watched trials and I still have my doubts whether I want to get financially involved in races to date but we have got to give the place a chance and even if I decide I don't want to punt there I am looking forward to visiting July 1st.

Mar 29, 2017 -- 12:21PM, go racing wrote:

Everyone slagging the place off again, perhaps they should bomb Crayford, Romford etc as most that lead there tend to win. Incidently, Towcester was built based on the Sandown design in Australia and from what i see, leaders win a lot of races around there various tracks. Best thing that could happen is that it is now out of the clutches of the GRA.......keeep moaning bedsit boys!

i have no idea what you are on about,to voice ones opinion translates to living in a bedsit,that says more about you than anything else ,

Reading this thread just reminds me just how good greyhound racing is at attracting backward thinking reactionaries that believe they are clued up.

seems that some people get really touchy when you criticise towcester

everybody is entitled to their opinion about the track and this is a forum for people to express their views

some people won't like other people's opinions tough sh1t

i am with you wonders,if you dont like towcester then whats wrong with that, if you are supposed to just agree that everythings great then whats the point of having a view,i just cant wait to get out this bedsit

me too

cant wait to be old as well

wondersobright    29 Mar 17 14:26 
Laugh me too

cant wait to be old as well



Now it's an ageist thread

I dont know anyone who thinks the track is as good as it could have been. Idiocy to have built such short straights. Also, if you are a wide-wide runner your a million in the derby but so what it shows a lack of intelligence. The brighter wide runners who cut closer to the bends and dont move off too far on straights will still have every chance.

However, some of the comments that dont appear tongue-in-cheek like `this will be the end of Greyhound racing', `this isnt greyhound racing', `I wont watch the derby' is all just very silly.

Also - like just about every long-term successful business - they are doing their brains in during the early years.

Also - BET365 restrict betting at Towcester lower than just about any other track. That tells you all you need to know about punters chances their. The pictures are crystal clear, trials can be viewed and certain dogs can be quite clearly established as suiting.unsuitable for the venue quickly.

They lost a BAGS/SIS deal cos too many FAVS were winning ffs.

thats great for guys who back favs

Wd to anyone who bets at any track and makes a profit.do i think its a fair running track for a derby not graded but derby the answer is NO  and its a long way to go for me to have a nice meal

Ps. The food in the restaurant isnt `nice' its just slightly better than all the other tracks.

20 to 40 opens now till Derby
Where have better opinion by than
Ain't everyone cup of tea
But surly now it's about finding out what works
Rd there ( dog wise )
Try weed out the plays
ITS THE DERBY VENUE that's that
By the time Derby starts either leave well alone
Or get stuck into the place

I'd rather seen it at hove or sitters
But than again wish I had Johnny hommes sulong

Nonsense Racing , But There will be and Edge to be Found Not making anymore Comments on The gaff   ,But for the 1st year in 42 years I will not be having an ANTE POST BET ,Dont
think I need to say any more ....

hopefully my last comment on this particular thread
you train greyhounds to win races no two tracks are the same the reason trainers will take dogs to towcester has nothing to do with how they feel about the place and the test its because its what owners pay them to as for anyone to say they will not play the market for this years derby is ridiculous you gamble end of

Will watch the Racing will have a couple of Bets on heats no AP

One thing for sure is that I won't be backing any wide runners in the Derby.

i did not want to bring trainers into it but will now if you look at the graded trainers at towcester and offered them a contract to train at hove,romford or crayford i think most would jump ship straight away

jean liles jumped the other way......I thought I would look at this thread to see who had won the trainers championship.....still fecking clueless...not a mention.....plenty about moaning youngsters and belligerent seniors......oh and the derby track....

winja a new trainer going to crayford ?

paul tompsett my trainer is retiring and finishes in may and they will replace him....i heard a rumour who with but not sure it would be appropriate to say what i heard on an open forum.........

actually just saw on greyhound star its already confirmed as Nick Carter who was the name I was told.........

at least jean liles doesnt have to worry about having her and her staffs livelihood destroyed if a pup or a screw gets on the bunny where she is now.

biggest gripe trainers would have at towcester is the lack of runs,i hope for the duration of the derby at least they reintroduce the friday nights for the local dogs

will the derby not be run on fridays anyway for the heats

oh yeh,d'oh!

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Some 8 dog graded races on card sat night......gives more dog runs...that could be what they will be doing throughout Derby period.

fri mornings...

How many dogs have to get hurt and injured around Sunderland's bottom bends before they see that the place simply isn't fit for purpose.  A total gaff.

Friday and Saturday morning cards while derby is on? 8 dog races

HGV training Mondays 10-4