2016 Irish Derby

Was lengths better inside last week. U can only hope 4 level playing field this week.

Last week, 6 won the 1st and 3rd in the 2nd. 5 won the 3rd, 6 won the 4th, 5 won the 5th, 6 2nd in the 6th. Then, the Derby is the Derby. 6 2nd in the 11th, 6 won the last. Not get your point? Same for them all

Skywalker Manner @ 9/4 (was too big, made him slight fav ahead of the 2)

Coolykereen Jack (nap) @ 10/3 last night (this was an absolutely huge rick for me, won't give my reasons as some may be upset by what i say)

Coolavanny Pat @ 8s, 7s, 6s (again looked too big, was up Keplar Nine's ass on the corner last week after a moderate break and lost what he was beatn around the opening bends)

Sonic @ 13/8, 6/4 (3 and 4 going left, 6 slow up. Am puzzled how people think he has a bad draw. Worst case scenario surely Ela Alecko leads around and Sonic will destroy him from halfway home)

Holycross Leah @ 9/2 (way too big, has a big chance to lead around on the fence this week and crucially in front of the 5, if she does she won't be back run)

Ballymac Belle @ 4/5 or bigger (she runs anything like she did during the Derby she will not be beaten)


hope i ain't tempting fate putting them up here

gl PF, you going tonight as usual?

aye i'll be there, giving Leopardstown a miss as too much hassle doing both with the time frame

i probably should have saved Ela Alecko at the 20s on the draw

have a good m8 night gl

i'll ask Neil to text you if ok, i'm after same thing as last week although don't really want her winning tonight, maybe next saturday instead

aye no problem, Ian will send it to me and i will pass it on

your a gent much appreciated

Think Sidarian Pearl could be Derby heroine this year and hopefully make the final well worthwhile, topped up at a decent 8/1. Would be happy with Ballymac Matt, too. Gyp Rosetti okay. Anything else not very good

My two tonight, Skywalker Manner and B*ylesports Duke


Good luck!

sure if ballymac pings he wins 4/1 plus massive

Sober call disgraced himself there.

Christ Almighty!! Could they not have left it at Dolores and Canning. Why they have that other waste of space on the panel is beyond me!

Sonic is 5/5 on the betting show. Pretty hopeless production.

Dolores must want to smash the other two's heads together.

5-6-3 result.

Sonic skates in after a fast start, three good qualifiers for the final.

Draw

Leah
Pearl
Matt
Sonic
Escapism
Hawaii

Seems B*yles will be going 5/4 Sonic

Looks on the cards Sidarian Pearl will break better from T2 and hopeful she'll lead up the other inside runners. Could still be a profitable Derby after all. Don't give much chance to Ballymac Matt, every chance last night and nowhere near Sonic. If Sonic not away in best style, Matt could hold him up though, leaving Pearl to master Rural Hawaii, who has a dream draw and every chance of winning the Derby but may throw it away running wide final bend. Holycross Leah and Escapism have reached the final on merit but think need things to go their way

Woody's early tissue:

Evs Sonic
11/4 Hawaii
5/1 Escapism
13/2 Leah
8/1 Pearl
10/1 Matt

127%

Powers up
Holycross 5/1
Siderian Pearl 10/3
Ballymac 10/1
Sonic 6/4
Escapism 12/1
Rural 10/3

The Hedgehog

how in gods fkin name did that horrible pig Duke ping tonight

Can I play your tissue Woody ?

Hope they're right with Sidarian Pearl. Much better drawn but still every chance finishing, finishing 6.5 lengths behind Rural Hawaii in the semis and will be hard to turn the tables. Too short, imo. Again, cant see how Holycross Leah turns the tables on Hawaii, too short. Don't see how Escapism can be 12/1 when clocking only a head slower time than Hawaii.

Couldn't afford any liability PF, but what dya like?

Power went only 6/1 Escapism before the semis!

woodmanchester  • September 10, 2016 9:30 PM BST 

Blah, Blah, Blah Could still be a profitable Derby after all Blah, Blah, Blah.

Danny went 9/4 Sonic

Not easy for Sonic to clear the 3 inside runners at the bend. Was hoping for a better effort from Sidarian Pearl in the semis. Just feel she may have already peaked now. The one I'm liking now is 4/1 Rural Hawaii. Every chance to do his running. Very hopeful if far enough in front before swinging excessively wide off the last bend

Yes Safari, glad youre having a good laugh but when ive finished backing Hawaii it will obviously be for profit and you can blah blah blah to everyone you got egg on yer face, as usual

Oh please put up one of your calculation threads that captures all your Irish Derby selections showing how you will still be the AP King. Its a lovely day and that will go down a treat.

Did that for Steel City Cup but you don't believe black and white, you Doubting Thomas

Plethora of bets there too but what was it in the end? Either Mossjoe or Mata for profit

£160 staked on Irish derby. Hawaii or Pearl return more than that

The 2 bitches are the wrong way around, i am totally convinced of this. Last night drawn 2 and 5 they managed to impede each other slightly on the run up as Leah edged off and Pearl edged inwards. If they where drawn the other way around Pearl would surely be a lot shorter, she of course can still win but she will have to beat Leah at boxes for me if she is to win as she must lead.

If Sonic does come away as he has being his last 3 runs the only one inside you'd be worried for him clearing would be Sidarian Pearl, he has already shown he can easily clear Ballymac Matt, he cleared him in the 1/4 final when Matt got the better start. Once clearing the inside his only other problem lies with Rural Hawaii on the corner, if Hawaii does lead him and cut the corner ala that 1/4 final Sonic just needs to avoid him as the 1/4 final showed he can back run him. Think he has been magnificent this Derby and while i may be biased think he deserves to win the competition.

Rural Hawaii has a smashing draw and is a wee bit big @ 4s, will have to lead but is drawn too.

PF, agree Sonic deserves to win it on what's been seen so far but think Hawaii improving and if Sonic held up slightly, 4/1 Hawaii big with his guaranteed clear

High, wide and handsome - just like Laughil Blake!

I have 10e/w 1st 6 at 66/1 on Sonic  with bet365, thay have offered me a cash out of 354e, on the e/w alone im Guaranteed 175e. If Sonic wins the pay out is 844e, which way would you go lads?

Let it run Frank nice bet

if you can take the loss then must keep the bet

Thats my thinking as well CASE.

Made him a 13/8 shot to 100% and he is 4.74 at the moment on here so i won't be doing any business

*2.74*

if sonic definetly runs then you are being offered 179e against a potential profit of an additional 669e which is effectively laying bet365 the bet at 11/4.........the dog will probably go off 6/4 or lower so if you want to cash out lay the dog on here and get more for your money.....well done with the bet frank.....

Thanks lads, i have 50 on matt as well at 10/1 since the 3rd rd, he is the same price to win the final, to be honest i think he is the only dog in the Final that has no chance.

You could possibly consider a partial cashout, Frank but with your each-way insurance, I too would be inclined to let it ride

1 Consistent but not won a round, travesty if she's successful
2 Claims at best with flier, but below par in semis
3 Defending champion but very hard finding 5 lengths with T4
4 Only defeat opening round, faultless since and worthy favourite
5 Lacks early zest, likely to arrive on the scene too late
6 Only defeat behind Sonic but drawn for a huge run

A travesty if Leah won, get a grip she would be the most popular winner (excluding betting). She has been magnificent all Derby, second every round to Sober Call, Laughil Duke, Sidarian Pearl (x2) and Rural Hawaii. All those led around. She has had tough heats he whole way through and qualified comfortably for the final.

I'm aware of her highly creditable record but if she cant win a race during the Derby, doesnt deserve to win the concluder, imo

It's Salad Dodger all over again!

you talk some utter sh1te, you'd be fkin creaming yourself if Ballymac Matt wins again and what has he done this Derby if you're saying a Leah win would be a travesty?

Matt won 1 round, his first round when his main dangers Priceless Brandy was a doubtful runner near up to race time and Coolavanny Wendy went wrong (and checked up at the gate in the straight). Yet you'll be lauding Matt a superstar and one of the greatest ever should he win.

Stop talking outta ya ass, it's a brilliant final and whoever wins it good luck to them

Only one bet for me in final at current odds - can anyone please explain to me how Escapism is 12/1. Yes he will need a little luck the next night but it would have been worse if he was drawn in 6 as Hawaii bolts right on leaving traps - I can easily see him getting a clear run and clocking 29.60 - that prob won't be good enough but who knows - 12/1??

Matt not done much this Derby but like Leah, enough to reach the final. Cant see his winning at all either and now the dust has settled, would even settle for Sonic at a not-too-great loss and happy to take on Leah as my worst result. Really think Hawaii got the race at his feet though and rooting for him

Yeah Artifice, I said coudnt understand 12/1 Escapism but you cant back them all. Oh, I have!

Woody fack off, i posted a while back about 25 dogs you'd backed (at that stage something like 12 of them 50s or under), two have made the final  Matt and Hawaii (Matt 25s and Hawaii no bigger when you decided to say you backed him) , you said you where all over Clares Rocket for the Derby, could not stop backing Droopys Roddick, Skywalker Rory then appeared as your big winner, now somehow the 6/4 fav for the final is only a small loser ??

Perhaps you can give me tips on staking as i know if i'd have got pretty much everything wrong like you have all Derby (ante post) i'd have done my fackin ballacks and be living on pot noodles for the next 6 months.

I don't agree the bottom has the race at his feet, Sonic has already shown he can back run him. I do think he is the biggest danger and 4s is big

PF, I lose on virtually everything but at various amounts, lose more on some than others. As it stands now, cashed out some Pearl at 14/1 and Hawaii at 16/1, £150 staked. Sonic returns £120. Had £11.54 at 11/2 Power to return £75 at one point. The rest on at 7/4 exchanges. Only really Leah causes big damage, returning only £75 (partly free bet). Derby from hell. Was banking on £250 Clares, or £200 Roddick, Rory. If they'd have remained, wouldn't have been having many other chasing bets

Maybe race at Hawaii's feet not the correct choice of words but feel he has much more of every chance than Sonic. Both at peak and think Hawaii can do better than last time they met

woodmanchester 28 Aug 16 02:13 Joined: 25 Aug 11 | Topic/replies: 20,180 | Blogger: woodmanchester's blog
Splits:
3.37 Louise
3.35 Pearl
3.51 Escapism
3.37 Barkley
3.43 Gossip
3.52 Hawaii
3.42 Rocky
3.35 Sonic

Don't think he's got loads to worry about in the quarters but certainly new fav Sonic, might not always lead when he comes up against faster dogs early and not losing any sleep about not included in my team

Said Rocky's English Derby run more significant since Jaytee Jet and Droopys Roddick out and so it's proving. Glad I went in at the 16/1

Matt doesn't look like the Derby winner this year and think Rory needs to improve too for my antepost

Zhivago and Barkley just savers but might top up Gyp, putting him in the black


Good luck!

That was before the quarter final

Now you're on at 11/2

It makes no odds to me either way but how do you expect anybody to take you serious on here when you're posting one thing and then weeks later say you did the exact opposite

I'm a contradiction to myself sometimes. Can be quite fickle, see a price and change my mind. Sorry for any confusion, but sure many will be pleased I cant win now

PF, I lose on virtually everything but at various amounts, lose more on some than others.

woodmanchester 11 Sep 16 11:38 Joined: 25 Aug 11 | Topic/replies: 20,180 | Blogger: woodmanchester's blog
£160 staked on Irish derby. Hawaii or Pearl return more than that

woodmanchester 12 Sep 16 17:28 Joined: 25 Aug 11 | Topic/replies: 20,180 | Blogger: woodmanchester's blog
PF, I lose on virtually everything but at various amounts, lose more on some than others. As it stands now, cashed out some Pearl at 14/1 and Hawaii at 16/1, £150 staked.


You see what i mean ??

I am sorry if you've got a red book, maybe you can win it back on Saturday's card but you are constantly contradicting yourself and it's a pain in the ass to read daily

Could have had small profit Hawaii and Pearl, but cashed out to cut loses elsewhere

Yeah, not going to post so much

You where right to do that with Pearl, you gave her way less chance on your prices than what you're laying at, Rural Hawaii though is utter madness, you seem to think he will win and by your last post should nearly be fav

Long story

"Yeah , not going to post as much"

how many times have we heard you post that ?.

you are nothing but an attention seeking lying lump of gambling pond life that has destroyed this forum since you came on it

i think i have worked him out,i used to think he backed all those dogs he mentions but now i think hes not even backing them ,hes just saying he has,i dont know whats worse backing all those dozens of dogs or saying that you backed all those dogs.crazy

Keep guessing

According to my calculations, this is the god's honest truth. Cross my heart and hope to die, gospel

Total Stakes £155

Returns, of which this is 100% certain:
£75 Leah
£110 Pearl
£150 Matt
£120 Sonic
£125 Escape
£125 Hawaii

This means further bets:
1 £9.38 at 7/1 (returns £150)
2 £6 at 4/1 (£150)
3 X
4 £10.91 at 7/4 (£150)
5 £2.28 at 10/1 (£150)
6 £5 at 4/1 (£150)

Total stakes would then be £183.57 and I would have lost £33.57 on the Derby

The £150 would be certain returns. If youre still in doubt, maybe you would say I've staked more than £183.57, but I don't think so

PS Sorry PF, but seems I keep being forced to justify myself

PPS Agree not a clever way to go about things but Clares would have put me £67 in profit

Oh, £155 + £33.57 = £188.57, but you get the gist

You all but said your a green book 1-2 weeks ago, nobody cares if you justify yourself or not Woody but when you're being forced to read how great your bets are daily when what's been posted on here suggests otherwise people get the hump, that is all. Anyway good luck for Saturday, I hope you get the deficit back and at least beak even.

Thanks. Yeah, like I said bad Derby betting-wise. Ended up covering everything at a loss. I couldn't afford to lose the all of the total stakes. With more luck Clares, Roddick, Rory and even Jet, it could have been a different story though

Oh, Rocky too. Think I've been a bit unlucky

flying visit now booked sat morning to sunday morning

Me too. Land 13:00, depart 06:25. Will be home in time for breakfast!

Spot of rain now forecast in the afternoon but dry from 4pm with 16 degrees temperature, so will be bringing a coat!

woody i think you should tell the doctor about your betting patterns then maybe he can send you on a nice wee holiday somewhere nice and quiet.absolute madness this betting

someone called for a doctor

Holidays already booked. Oct 10th, Oct 28th and Dec 5th. Don't know what you're all going to do without my insight!

without a doubt you have the worst betting strategy i have ever come across .who bets £188.57 to then lose £38.57 after weeks of betting and changing your dogs,same every competition with you,what a waste of time

Not always. Did you like my Yarmouth summary, before any betting came through?

your yarmouth summary ,,,Plenty priced up now. 10/1 Jaytee Spartacus and 16/1 Peregrine Falcon will do me nicely, thank you very much Happy
  is that what you are saying

Results didn't go my way. At least to everyone's delight, I only picked two and one in the Yorkshire St Leger

12. Posts in the last 24 hours or so....

"Yeah not going to post so much"..... my r s

Pat Cooney doesn't half talk some sh1t: Probably the highest quality line up ever on one night @shelbournepark @rte

I like it and glad I'm going

Especially looking forward to the Bigmike/Quietly clash. Fine consolation and will be good watching Ballymac Bonnie, Toolmaker Scot and Water Fern in action. Surprised Lenson Rocky fit enough to take on Laughil Duke. Even the 600yds finale well worth waiting for

Competitive races but picked out my possible winners. Just waiting for betting now but too short, wont play

A brilliant final!  Have a word with yourself.  One dog has broken 29.50 or got within 40 spots of the track record, one dog has won a classic and the others are average.  No comparison with this years English equivalent.  Change your nom de to Pat Cooney!  In fact you owe him an apology.

A lot of hard luck stories early on L.H. with injuries to the anti/post fav and the english derby winner, All in all not a bad final, Come on Sonic

B*yles have priced the card up

Just shy of 7/4 banker double Ballymac Bigmike and Tradition

7/2 Gyp Rosetti and 11/4 Toolmaker Scot, adding the 15.9/1 double


Good luck!

irish

what price sonic start of derby

thx

100/1 SJ and Fred, 80s PP, 66s gen

wow

Rural Hawaii wins the Derby.

Sonic missed the start.

What a shame the 1 bitch could nt win to rescue greyhound racing in this country! Turn off the lights

Tend to agree to be honest.

was 1 close

Sep 17, 2016 -- 3:55PM, xmoneyx wrote:

was 1 close

Ran a great race. If it could've got a bit closer down the back straight would've won imop

Sep 17, 2016 -- 3:28PM, BJG wrote:

What a shame the 1 bitch could nt win to rescue greyhound racing in this country! Turn off the lights

Some shower out there last night. Worse than the boozers who are ruining racecourses. Not for me anymore.

Hawaii was the best I could hope for but worst result, the bitch in the red vest, ran an absolute blinder and really made me sweat. Bigmike let me down for the double and Gyp/Scot no good. Pleased with mentioned Water Fern, though, as with back to fully firing Rocky. Very nearly had a couple of euros Duke at the ridiculous 20/1 but most boards showing 5 or 10 euros minimum, so didn't

Really enjoyed it meeting friends/acquaintances, but my poor feet and ankles!

All booked for Night of Stars but not certain to be going, yet

"Very nearly had a couple of euros duke at "  20's ... but there was a 5 euro minimum bet ....

WADC.... PMSL.     pl

a couple of euros thats a big bet woody ,usaully it 33p each way at 20s lol

well done Graham Holland diff class, was fortunate to have a few graders and minor open race dogs with him at Portsmouth knokcing on 20 ish years ago, top bloke

i wonder which grass roots track will provide the next derby winning trainer...