Monmore Puppy Derby

Taken a chance on 10/1 Farloe Nutter and 20/1 Farley Chicken. Same heat, draws not good and rate a couple of others in the heat too. However, just about qualification at this point and could see the pair very much shorter later in the competition.

Droopys Norris is a Derby dog, imo, but trainer said he may need a few runs before hitting peak (emptied out quickly run-in last time), so passing him by at this juncture.

Good luck!

The RP tells us Nutter is a railer.  I've yet to see it rail - it swings out wide off every bend!

Honcho, very fast dog is Nutter. Wouldn't be easy for most dogs to run the bends smoothly at his pace, being only pups.

Anyone else helped themselves to 20/1 Farley Chicken each-way? Only 8/1 in places and has good potential

woody - I know it is a very fast dog.  The whole world knows it is a very fast dog.  I didn't mention anything about him running bends - I mentioned how he run when he emerged from them.  Do try and keep up.

Roxholme Ted WHO THE TRAINER????????????
ANYONE KNOW

things to consider the monmore track has been running slow up to 50 spots and lately in my opinion has favoured the stronger dogs and perhaps the wide runners.has been very heavy rain today could have a say in results.

hayley from swindon fattie

Cheers bbc

That first heat won't be carrying any of my
Money , 1 middle 34 rails nutter in 5

This looks much hotter than last year
Free was a good winner to be fair !

Loads of untapped potential. Added a few each-way for peanuts. 25/1 Ballymac Bobbyjo, 40/1 Lemon Laveer and 66/1 Droopys Hawaii. Really want Nutter or Chicken, though. It means I've got 4 in the very first heat, so summat gotta give! . Think the outright winner could well come from this race, though!

Good luck!

Experience counts for so much here and compared to the others Nutter has loads.  He should be able to follow BobbyJo around but nothing is certain with the McNair pup inside.  I like the look of Blue Moment and Vatican Yogi and will be very interested in how they rise to the occasion - if at all.  Droopys Norris is well known now and along with Rio Quattro, is the other I'm keen to assess/watch.

McNair pup out I see - Nutter should get a good run down now.

Thought i'd done well with 20/1 with Farley Chicken but withdrawn and lost money without so much as a run, again.

Anyway, my 3 remaining in the first heat all qualified. Ballymac Bobbyjo shook clear, tired but had enough to spare from the fast-finishing Lemon Laveer. It was heart in the mouth time for Farloe Nutter at the bend. In trouble, but stayed upright and just happy to be in the semis with hopefully, a better draw there.

Jaytee China was the only dog backed, into odds-on and used the inside well to lead and draw clear to win nearly 7 lengths. Nothing instant, so not sure to have things all his own way again from here on in.

Jf favs Millwards Bengie and Blue Moment ruined each-other's chance on the run-up, leaving Scarface to run out a rather surprising and quickest heat winner.

Bubbly Phantom dictated matters but had no answer to Droopys Vela's finishing kick.

Didn't see the last two heats, so dunno. Looking at the results, Droopys Norris got beat again but qualified, unlike Droopys Jarrow and carnage in the final heat, bad baulking and a couple getting knocked over at the bend

Heat 5 Rio Quattro ran out an excellent winner, showing good e.p. and holding line to bend before cutting across and putting race to bed.  Ran middle and an easy winner in a fine 28.21.  Norris never looked like imposing himslef on the race but ran on at respectable distance. 1 was well beat but rld and ran on into third. 
Heat 6 Viking Jack did much the same as Quattro.  Well away, held line down until ten yards from bend then cut across and putting the others to the sword.  Impressive too and another fine time - 28.23.. Bailiff in 2 could make no impression and ran rls to mid - tp 3 did much the same.
I spent two hours in a betting shop for the first time in about ten years this afternoon. Not as chastening an experience as I half-expected - the H ills man even gave me a cup of coffee!  When I started betting they wouldn't even lend you a pencil and a betting slip was a foreign object!  decent coffee too.  the biggest problem wasn't reading the races, it was reading there the screen I was watching had moved to.  Once I worked that out it became reasonably easy.  I even fell onto a 12/1 horse winner - how about that.  What it did tell, on getting online to review the results, is that there is nothing like watching yourself.  Just where GBGB dug up some of their race comments I don't know.
Examples:   Ballymac Bobbyjo ran well but certainly didn't run on - lead was diminishing rapidly as line approached. Lemon Laveer ( better dog now than when I first weighed him up ) finsihed well ( not mentioned ) and Farloe Nutter lost second spot close home!  Thatchers Champ was last at halfway and finished like a train ( not mentioned ).  Scarface didn't "soon led", it always led and never looked in any danger at any time!
Finally, Vatican Yogi did not show good early pace - the opposite is true.  It came out really well then disappointed in the run up to the bend, looking a little paceless.
GBGB results service and comments needs to be having a look at itself.

Replays on bags racing

Just seen Scarface was 50/1 antepost before winning this afternoon

took off today

Lemon Laveer 14/1 I THOUGHT THIS DOG TAKEN OFF
JUST WATCH THE FIRST HEAT ON BAGSRACING .COM
HES MADE A GOOD DOG LOOK SILLY THERE

Took 20/1 bubbly phantom lots of prob winners gl

trouble-strewn race though FATTIES and form a little suspect.

Laveer got ability, as seen when easily winning a hot puppy race at Coventry. Bounds along latter stages when getting a run. Got a small 40/1 each-way interest, anyway.

Flappy, Phantom raced clear. Looked home and hosed but reeled in, may improve.

Good luck!

Draw and form for semis up on Bags site.
2 qualify from each heat for final.
SEMI-FINAL 1
This looks pretty straightforward, or as straightforward as puppy races can be, with Scarface in 5 favourite to lead early and set the pace and Lemon Laveer in 2 having every chance to run on and qualify. Farley Champ looks a serious dog and is not out of it in 4. Were Scarface to repeat his heat running there would be only one winner.
SEMI-FINAL 2
Nutter bags the red jacket here but is not at all certain to dominate - he steps out from here so could make it a messy run up.  Jaytee China won well the other day, stays on nicely and has won from trap 4 already.  Blue Moment in five looks out of his depth ( for the moment ) and Vela in 6 should get another nice run down and round.
SEMI-FINAL 3
Norris bags the red and now has every chance to really impress.  However, the race is packed full of early pace and he'll have to do everything right.  Quattro and Jack get their heat boxes again, 4 and 6, and both can fight this one out.
My six for the final:
Lemon Laveer
Jaytee China
Rio Quattro
Viking Jack
Droopys Vela
Scarface

CANT KNOCK SCARFACE ACID TEST WILL HE TRAP FROM 5?????? AT MONMORE

looks a below standard puppy derby this year, be amazed if there's a future derby winner in this crop.

Not sure if it's ever produced a Derby winner? Most famous winner I can recall in recent years Droopys Greg

Bandicoot Tipoki won it but not in the same year.  Kinda Ready was 2nd.  Don't remember any that have done so in same year.

scarface to get out and make all, jet to qualify 2nd.  Lemon to get trouble haivng to run through the field.

jaytee and nutter to qualify with moment holding up vela.

hoping norris now in 1 makes it with rio / jack.

norris
nutter
china
jet
scarface
jack

Westmead  hawk  was  a  beaten finalist  in 2005  ,  he  didnt  turn  out to  bad,  lots  of  pups  have gone  on  to  be   cat 1 winners  from  this competition  ,  this  years  lot  are  as  good  as   any  in  recent  years ,  plenty  of  28.60/70 dogs  have  not  got  in  that speaks  for  itself ,  this  is  the  premier  uk  puppy  competition .

Are you sure Ballymac. Is that not the Wimbledon Puppy Derby?

ballymac save your breath - you're right but everybody bar everybody likes to be contradictive on here.

agree

Glad my 3 all avoided each other in the semis. Hoping for Farloe Nutter most, mainly coz would win most.

Just glanced at the supporting festival competitions, Dogs, Bitches and 630. No 416 this time. Will be very interesting to see how things stand when all priced up, so will be looking when I get back from Wales, Monday lunchtime. About 2 1/2 hours in the bookies that afternoon then. Hope I get some tea and biscuits!

Just tried to have £10 on Scarface on the sportsbook ..... stake too high!!!!  What is the point????

Getting beyond a joke now! in fact it's f*cking embarrassment.

Not seen the heats how did Droopys Ewinggo,many excuses?

http://www.bagsracing.com/ladbrokes-pupy-derby-first-round.html
Heat 2.

cheers loyalHoncho,just had a look,ffs lemon looks a talent,Blue will prove better out the box in the future,Ewing could do better also.

3-48 2 lemonlaveer cant miss again 4-08 1 farloe nutter 4-27 2 ballymac bobbyjo.the track was a lot nearer normal on saturday.

As I said elsewhere Lemon Laveer looked good in overhauling Nutter on the run-in but for me the form is suspect and might not be reliable - a trouble-strewn race and a slow time.  He does however look a decent dog and is worth keeping onside.

Early plays:

630 Stayers. Jumped in at 7/1 Droopys Adler. Always been a favourite of mine. Irish Derby Consolation third and beat the likes of Cabra Buck, Paradise Madison and Ardfert Thunder in a heat of the Easter Cup. Duly reached the final, but withdrawn. Faded over 790yds Clonmel but that equates to 722m and having won over 642m Sittingbourne, should be fine over this 630m trip and can beat better than formlines show King Kane. The each-way hope is 20/1 Worsboro Phantom. Caught the eye at Sheffield and looks over-priced to me.

Dogs. 12/1 Cluxtons Free and 14/1 Ballymac Ullo. Very hot heat and think the outright winner could well come from here. Cluxtons won the Puppy Derby over c/d last year and Ullo got impressive Irish card and trials.

Bitches. Fancy Akerview Gem but waiting for better than 5/1. Jaytee Jules nearly did the job for me last time and an obvious contender, too. Played already 16/1 Macys Perfect, each-way. Interesting ex-Irish with good trial form.

Good luck!

good luck Woods

Scarface :  You have to laugh.  Good old John Coleman.

Puppy Derby. Very happy with what would be a good 10/1 payout Farloe Nutter and task a bit easier with Droopys Norris eliminated. Got each-way pair through too, 25/1 Ballymac Bobbyjo and 40/1 Lemon Laveer. Must say Rio Quattro was an impressive winner after bolting out. Hard to beat if repeating.

Stayers. Wouldn't swop 7/1 Droopys Adler for a very nice payday.

Bitches. 5/1 Akerview Gem would be nice and same price for small profit Jaytee Jules.

Dogs. Failed to get a finalist. Will have to look again.

IMO this is top top draw final
thought lemon run ok today again had a dog run across him,
Hes not got the early to go with them
But that might be a good thing come Friday
there going to be a whack of some sort up front

In that so called suspect heat all three made the final !

Seen crooks odds
Rio dog evens fav from Trap 5 lol
not for me think 6 smash move all over him

Fattie I am now convinced - having preciously given you the doubt - that you a re a pea-brained phuckwit.

stop blowing smoke up fatties ass honcho

Fatty's okay. Bought me a pint in Dublin anyway. Wanted to watch the Oaks but he wouldn't stop talking! . He has some unusual views sometimes but doesn't normally go for the obvious, so very much a worthwhile contributor on here, imo

agree

He doesn't have unusual views, he has plain stupid views, ill-thought out and usually presented in an unintelligible gibberish which only he seems to understand. He's ok 'cos he bought woody a pint though! lol.

Not just the pint, Loyal. I bought him one back! . He's good company, likeable personality in real life. He comes across like a bull-dog chewing a wasp on here but that's deceiving.

Still think it's a poor puppy derby this year!

Can see the bitch maybe going on to picking up competitions against all age company.

Disagree Kerrching. If Rio Quattro can run like that consistently, would be very special and think Farloe Nutter will hold his own against most. A bitch won the Wimbledon Puppy Derby. If Jaytee China wins this, a strange run of affairs could be building

rio looks special

Think i'm quids in with 7/1 Droopys Adler about a 4/7 shot but experience tells me nothing can be taken for granted in dog racing. Closest on the clock is Proud Pegs Tyler but that was beaten nearly 5 lengths by Adler in the heats!

Well done with Adler woody and good luck.  Can't wait to see Nutter make Laveer "look stupid".  It won't help a lot though as he chases Quattro's rear end from the second bend.
Donut Dave "Creased Shirt" Clark to suffer again tonight ( Wednesday ).  Not for me - they guy is waste of space.
Btw - you're not Dave Clark are you FATTIE?

Loyal Honcho although it eventually got dq from derby droopys hewitt won monmore puppy derby 2002 then went on to win derby in 2003. But as I say was dq and later given to farloe verdict. There's another one for the memory tank

Ok Ditto - ta.

Think the betting's wrong for the Dogs final. Think Lode Henry too big at 11/2. Whiterock often nips out and will be moving left from T5, hampering fav Blackstone Marco. Henry is fast and wont need a second invitation to turn the tables. Even take out each-way insurance at that price, if you like!

Had a few slurps on Sire De Grugy winnings, Italian Spaghetti Carbonara nearly ready for supper and wondering if I can get Rio Quattro beat on Friday (although money for the Derby and smart when he gets a good draw.) However, i see where Fatty is coming from, saying Ballymac Bobbyjo (T6) his undoing. Not sure Quattro will be doing a 4.17 split again, 4.30 in previous race, whereas think Bobbyjo a consistent 4.20 odd type and heading for rails. Hope it's an oi oi Farloe Nutter for a very nice payday and looking for place money Bobbyjo and Lemon Laveer, 1,2,3,4

Sidelight withdrawn from bitches final. Bad luck for connections and supporters but one less to beat for my 6/1 Akerview Gem. Would settle for the small profit Jaytee Jules, though

Could be a problem with the Allsopp kennel, but hope not. Not only Sidelight, his pair in the Stayers 630m final Larky Ego and Proud Pegs Tyler both withdrawn, too

Dropping like flys. Millwards Bengie (T1) out of dogs final. Not nice to benefit from another's misfortune but reckon helps my Lode Henry (T2)

Sure these bookmakers make the rules up as they go along. Backed 11/2 Lode Henry, antepost dogs, 10.30am yesterday. Now with the non runner, 365 saying i'm on at sp! Lost count of the number of times I've been on a non-starter and lost my money. Same should be the same on Millwards Bengie and my original price stand, shouldn't it?

BobbyJo my *rse - it's got no chance from there.  Will the guy never learn.  the best-boxed dog in the race is Nutter, then Quattro, then, funnily enough Laveer, and only because he's that slow he should get a decent run down.

Agree Loyal, Bobby no chance but don't totally rule out he'll bustle up the fav early

The favourite is top class, as is Farley Champ inside it.  The problem to both is Nutter - simple as.

Going back, when does a bet become not antepost. When you get the finalists? Sure if you had to wait a week for the final and your dog scratched, you lose your money?

bets placed after the final draw are no longer ante post

if placed after the draw and then a withdrawal you should still ask for your money back. I did this with Hills recently on a good size amount (relatively speaking) where mine was fav in a final (I think SKY) and one of the outsiders was withdrawn..and market was reformed at lower price, and I did not want it, so went there and argued the t$ss and they cancelled bet and refunded me.

Good to see you back pf

Well done Swayne - proves a point really, that they'll try it on at EVERY opportunity.  Always pays to query a decision you are in doubt about.

allsopp kennel inquarantine dog deaths

was Droopys Odell in Trap1 at Sheff, and slow away Drropys (I think Dave) was withdrawn for the Final, I got 6/4 Odell before it shortened, market reformed at 4/5, I said get stuffed, got my money back sprinted to Bald Frod, sat down, pondered whether I should take there I think 11/10, I said no. kept my money, no bet.   Odell hacked up in the Final, lol SP 8/13

Did anyone see the bitches race? Any reason for it looking soaking on the inside?

Mark Wallis is, quite simply, a genius!

agree there best trainer by far

nutter wins lemon ran ok ew rio out 5 think we knew

Well big mouth FATTIE - did Laveer make Nutter look stupid today?  Was the form suspect or was the form suspect?!

im happy one bet drawed readys got run for me money

3 bets tonight

born cheyne 7/2
sparta flame 5/1
shanboy sly 3/1

gl all

Don't change the subject.  Did it and was it?

The answers are no and yes and, finally, the next time I offer an opinion try not to take it personally and jump down my throat - it is a forum after all.  Sometimes we old guys see things that others don't - it's called  experience - and when I offer an opinion it is only really trying to be helpful.  Good luck.

Cashen Maureen did well against my pair Akerview Gem (disappointingly missed break) and Jaytee Jules .

Said not counting my chickens with 7/1 Droopys Adler about a 2/5 chance, very disappointingly finished last. Damage limitation, small stakes at good prices the other 3 for money back. 11/2 Jazz Tilly worthy winner. Didn't fade like in the heats.

Oi oi 10/1 Farloe Nutter! Good dog this. Held the strong-running Lemon Laveer, who got the 40/1 place money.

Thought I should have had 11/2 Lode Henry but happy with 4/1 in the end. Dead-heated with Blackstone Marco.

Good afternoon after bad day at Cheltenham

VERY DISAPOINTING?  ,disgusting woodie they need an explaination and quick imo ,if that dog has finnished sound ,its been got at ,End Of ...

They're all G O O D when they bring in dosh!

I think it was bottomless ground tight to the rail second bend. 1 in bitches race was third then tailed off and the two 1 dogs in the distance race were closing then goosed after running through it. Think it affected Rio Quattro to a lesser extent as well. I'm struggling to work out how it seemed so soft there on hottest day of the year.

2nd bend normal trip obviously 4th bend distance races.

didnt seem to affect nutter

Nutter doesn't rail.

I think it was bottomless ground tight to the rail second bend. 1 in bitches race was third then tailed off and the two 1 dogs in the distance race were closing then goosed after running through it. Think it affected Rio Quattro to a lesser extent as well. I'm struggling to work out how it seemed so soft there on hottest day of the year.




Without doubt the biggest load of rubbish I've ever read... The going was fine...

2nd bend The dog has not ran any bend pmsfl

Going fine yet two favs in trap 1 first two races are stuffed out of sight and run 5/6 lengths behind what they did 4 days before. We'll see how they run next time out.