ladbrokes 600

PF, you said the news about Sparta Maestro after the race was better than last week. Can I ask what you have heard or does it just relate to the comment on talking dogs that he was 'sound' after the race and would go the vet Monday?

i sent you a message BrayNed

will people please stop replying on this thread every time i see a new post i fear the worst re a n/r

.

oi pack it in

Interesting to note STMs for both rounds so far, fastest Sparta 5.95twice, next uncle eoin 5.96, RINGTOWN SNOWY 5.97,ty amelia 6.03,hillview 6.05...Sparta stm compare favorably with his runs last sept [although the tracks probably faster now]...there should be a good battle between UNCLE EOIN AND SPARTA TO THE 1ST CORNER,   The other heat is harder to call early on ..i will leave it to you PF

1/05/2013
Sparta Maestro yesterday got a clean bill of health and is a definite runner in Saturday’s Ladbrokes 600 at Shelbourne Park.
Phil Gough reported that the dog was in superb form. “He came out of Saturday’s race better than any other race since the early rounds of the St Leger and hopefully he will be able to do himself justice on Saturday night”

a fairly bullish report there

saterday will tell C.S

Will Maestro be going round in a zimmer-frame Saturday? 4/1 outright now!

ya wood i see 4s with PP ..WHAT A BET THAT WOULD BE IF HE WAS AS GOOD AS LAST YEAR.

Yeah, they cant seem to give him away. I backed him much shorter and not used to betting going the other way antepost. Must say, that report sounds very promising though

SEE i.b site

Will have a look thanks. I'm on at a poor 5/2 now. Think Maestro was 6/4 at one point though. Just wondering if there has been an over-reaction in the market?

vinnie_roe     28 Apr 13 14:36  
I placed a €10 yankee on tyrur sugar ray at 9/2, Highview beauty at 3/1, Abbeyville Tipp at 10/3, and Sparta Maestro at 5/6. It paid just under 2k.
I was crazy choosing Sparta, after he finished sore, the previous week. My 2nd choice was Ringtown at 9/2. It would have paid 11k.

i surpose its fair to say Vinnie was,nt to happy with him on saterday wood

So, who din't back Sparta Maestro?

I backed the Tyrur bitch on Monday, first ante post bet. The stake is wide open if Ringtown has a word in Sugar Rays ear on the run up, i envisage some serious messing going on in that heat

Snowy didn't come away from that horrid box in round 1 so wonder how he will come away this week, either way they're coming together from boxes i'd say. If Snowy misses it he will lose out when Sugar Ray barges his way to the rail but if he is better away then Sugar Ray would be better off missing it altogether otherwise he will be the one losing out.

PF what tissue do you have the Pilot in the other semi? decent card on Sat, looking forward to heading down

Pilot 1/10



To b 2nd to anythin

first bend carnage in that heat, maybe Uncle Eoin could escape it but sure he picks him up all day long

around 6s i thought when starting it Sunday, going to go over the heats again though when i finish the rest of the card

Sort By: Fav/Name
                                                                       
   
    11113    Sparta Maestro        7/4            13/8                               
    41211    Highview Beauty       9/4          9/4                               
    24422    Priceless Pilot       7/2          4                               
    13412    Tyrur Amelia           4         9/2                               
    16133    Uncle Eoin            10              9                               
    31433    Rallying Ri           25         16   



Trap     form    
Sort By: Fav/Name
                                                                           
   
Trap 1     31121     Ringtown Snowy           5/2         5/2                                
Trap 2     26221     Tyrur Sugar Ray       7/4         13/8                                
Trap 3     44111     Abbeyville Tipp        7           8                                
Trap 4     34343     Raggletaggle Rio      33         25                                
Trap 5     24122     Slip The Genie            5          5                                
Trap 6     21112     Gizmo Classic          3                 3

Tyrur Sugar Ray @ 7/4 + Abbeyville Tipp @ 8/1 [saver]

Think both are a bit big and happy to play at them prices.

As ever with Sugar Ray the run up is the crucial part of the race for him but i'm not convinced Ringtown Snowy will come away from the inside as he did from 4 last week and if he comes away like in round 1 and Sugar Ray starts like last week he will get the rails straight away and then he wins. Even if Snowy does come away it may not be bad for Sugar Ray if he's behind him and can follow him up and once getting a run around the opening bends he would still have a huge chance of back running him.

Abbeyville Tipp needs to lead around to win here so needs his best start of the competition but if getting it and leading around he will take some beating, he is one of them dogs that's so hard to pass when they get out in front and he just keeps finding a bit more.

tHE OTHER HEAT is i thing straght forward SPARTA, HIGHVIEW, AND   Priceless Pilot in that order to quilify, ..the other heat could be full of trouble; most likely on the inside ..Raggletaggle Rio is quick to the bend and could be close at the 1st bend ..there may be a surprise i cant get my head around this heat.

Raggletaggle Rio is a ponce who doesn't drive the bend at all in my opinion, he'd want to be clear to go around and then he doesn't finish the race out strong enough either in my opinion.

I was going to take on Sparta Maestro tonight but wanted a bit bigger on Highview Beauty. I actually think Sparta Maestro will lead run up and it's possible he could still lead into the back and then i think he'd win but how he runs the bends will be interesting. Highview Beauty has a brilliant draw.

PF- what tissue do you have Buck in the last, he has a lovely draw but needs to get out

take your pick ain't it, a bit like the 12th race last week. i just favoured the top

7/4 - top
2/1 - buck

i suppose i'd expect them to go something like 11/8 - 13/8 [at best], which way i don't know

Would not be sure that 1 is ideal for Airlie Dazzler as he is not a paint licker by any means and is more inside-middle. However Speed Agreed certainly does not look like an inside seed based on any of his runs that I have watched around Clonmel, Tralee etc.

Looks like Dazzler should get plenty of room as 2 is not a flyer from the traps either and 3 takes a few strides to get going and stays middle.

Sparta out

Slip far to wide to win it ! got the pace but o so wide!

Race 4 The Ladbrokes Open 600 Final 09:45 Approx. (600 Yds. Flat)  (Race Grade : AA0)
Trap    Greyhound     * View Complete Race Form
    TYRUR SUGAR RAY
    TYRUR AMELIA
    RALLYING RI
    RINGTOWN SNOWY
    HIGHVIEW BEAUTY
    SLIP THE GENIE

Leave it out
Who pull that out the hat
Pj himself lol only one winner with that draw

Slip the genie of course!!

pf's always waiting for ray in one.

I've crashed. Bookies must have seen me coming with Maestro. Never looked like his old  throughout the competition and wont be rushing to back him again anytime soon. Tipp also gone.

On a brigher note, my 3 are through to the semis of the Puppy Oaks

Sugar Ray obviously got the draw and a hot favourite but Highview Beauty was quickest last night

Look at the draw
Where 5 going!

If the fasters heat winner won
Next time out every time the game be easy

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pf's always waiting for ray in one.

1 ain't a good box from the back traps but he should win he is an aeroplane

any other shroooooooooooooooooooodies got 11/10, EVS and 8/11 about Slip The Genie ffs

Me

would of won if not running on (hare rail) well may as well been! gave the race away imo

f*ck me i've a thumping head

hopefully Sugar Ray comes away and then it's all over, usually love this comp but it's given me a fkin headache this year

WILLIAM HILL SURE THATS BIGGER THAN I PUNTED ANTEPOST!!!!

12/1 8/1 ADDED EW
to my 10/1 antepost.
great draw as got the pace but to fffff wide!!!!
get nice solo hope 2 does one 5 turn left (slip turn left !!!!)

iv backed Highview Beauty at 25/1e/w and 12/1 very pleased with his run last night but suger and snowy got there traps for the final ithought suger ray got out well enough last night but got headed before the 1st bend ..he made the best of his bit of luck and show his class ..i still not certain that he will get to the 1st bend in the lead but as ever should be a great final.

Not disputing that Fatty. Only said Highview was quickest so in a clean final, you would expect a close enough finish? Personally think Sugar Ray did well to bide his time coming through last night. Wouldnt have been the first time a dog got stopped rushing passing. Think he's 4/6 now and wouldnt argue with that.

Might have gone but would have been very disappointed if next Saturday's card is anything like the Easter Cup programme

3 of the 5 books on the final have suger ray at 4/7i recon his right price is 1/1.

Think PF would polish up his wheelbarrow for evens. Good luck anyway Frank. Highview seems to be the only one that could give Sugar Ray a race, the rest look held, imo

Highview Beauty has an awful draw, it's hard to see how she gets a run. I'd say Snowy is the danger, he's better from the middle in my opinion but he has to be good at boxes as 5 will go left.

i have to agree P.F. BUT SNOWNY went left when he won last time from 4 .   ..the wife is calling me for dinner beter go.

Only saw it once but thought Snowy had every chance against Sugar Ray in the semis and would be very surprised if he turned the tables, especially now Ray got his draw

When will they fools who do the camera / video work in Shelbourne learn that 600y races finish at the 2nd winning line FFS they constantly stop the camera on the wrong winning line, it's hardly that bloody complicated

Is the final on telly? It usually is if big sponsors are on board..

no idea, haven't they shown some finals recently on that RTE News channel on soarview? maybe it'll be on that?

Slip The Genie has an absolute brilliant draw, it really is a stunning draw but it still doesn't make me want to bet her @ 8/1 as i don't think she is running well enough.

Highview Beauty is in great form but has an absolute pig of a draw and makes absolutely no appeal to me @ 6/1. She can trap well but she is limited to the corner and i can see her turning 5th here and can't see her winning then.

Rallying Ri needs a miracle, should be double the price.

Tyrur Sugar Ray is a real worthy favourite and will take a massive amount of beating, if he does everything right he wins. Trap 1 is not thought of as the best trap from the back boxes and Sugar Ray is not always great at traps so there is a danger Amelia could beat him at boxes and take the rails away from him, if doing so something may get away. I made him a 4/5 shot to 100% so think the books have him priced pretty much as i'd expect.



I think Ringtown Snowy @ 6/1 and Tyrur Amelia @ 14/1 are overpriced in the final.

Ringtown Snowy is better from the middle in my opinion and once trapping level will lead around in the final. In the semi final i felt he was messing about between the last 2 bends when he hit the front before going on again when Sugar Ray went past. However when he goes around in front and goes clear he is pretty diffucult to pick up, added to that if Sugar Ray don't get loose early Snowy could have flown.

Tyrur Amelia i thought showed good pace up in the semi after taking a bump early and then lost her position after being impeded on the bend, she also ran well down the back before checking on the 3rd. If she can lead up Sugar Ray [she will have no problem leading Rallying Ri] on the rails i think she actually has a chance, she would probably need Snowy to not go clear as well but if Snowy is not good at boxes Highview Beauty could possibly take his ground [although i think it's unlikely]. Anyway on the draw i think she is overpriced, please god she don't win though as i really should have got off my arse and went and took the 66s at the start .


Hopefully it's a cracking final, outright the comp has been a fkin disaster [heats have been very good though] and my only saving grace at the moment is a Sugar Ray win which would see me finish level on the outright bets, i've limited the damage on the rest [took my medicine or chickened out like a little bitch - take your pick] so will be happy to see the back of it this year.

After Maestro and Tipp gone, had a little recovery mission on Highview Beauty, in case Sugar Ray slips up, although think it unlikely

you not think she has an absolutely desperate draw?

True, but dont think any of the rest up to it, hence 4/6 Sugar Ray but too short for my pocket. Admit, needs luck. Cant really see Sugar Ray getting beat, he should have too much all-round firepower for them but if Highview gets a run, could give him a race

you're nuts , seems like you're just playing for the sake of it

With respect PF, i know you have your theories on how races will be run but if we did know really, we would be all rich. I'm just taking a chance. I know youve said 6/1 poor value, but i think it fair enough. You say Snowy and Amelia are overpriced but youre splitting hairs, imo

Woody, how can you say "none of the rest of them are up to it". Sugar Ray is a worthy favourite but it is not a penalty kick. When he goes BOOOM he wins but otherwise he has to muck aroud with the plebs. Snowy and Amelia have won impressively in the comp and Snowy shared the Cesarwitch with an unbeated record. Your selection has been very impressive too but if you are "splitting hairs" then it does come down to price otherwise you might as well back them all.

I am not saying your selection is wrong. Just doen't agree with your supporting arguement.

i could easily get this as wrong as i did the Gold Cup final [that wasn't helped by Isabels looking totally crippled in that], i just don't see how she gets across as i don't think she has enough to the corner and expect 3 or 4 in front of her at the bend thus make her bigger than 6s.

i really think Snowy has an absolutely massive chance in this, i'm sure Henno will get him more focused this week

Fair enough PF. You may say i'm nuts and betting for betting sake but it's just a little interest in a big final with outside chance to recoup some losses. Just thought Snowy had every chance against Ray in semis and the only one who may pose a threat faster semi winner Highview. Like you say could be crowded though, leaving it on a plate for strong Ray, imo. Let's agree to let the dogs do the talking, then we will know for sure.

Highview Beauty is a hugh bet for me 25/1 e/w 1st 4, and 12/1before the simi/finals, i have to be honest when i heared the draw at h/q last saterday i let ****.   like you say P.F she will need luck big time...Tyrur Amelia @ 14/1 will be my other bet in the hope suger ray is looking the other way when the bunny comes round. SRY p.f

i was saying it as your arguement to support your bet seemed bizarre as pointed out below - anyway at this stage i'll take anything bar the fkin 3 winning, he does i'll be jumping in the Liffey

you're alright Frank, the way this comp has gone for me [outright] i wouldn't be surprised if he turned in traps

i back suger ray at big prices for last years derby p.f, when he got the middle draw in the final i knew my fate ,,so my expletives outburst at around 10.30 last saterday was more to do with the fact he got box 1 this time round...its hard to belive that 12/1 was available at the q/final stage but i talk myself out of the bet this time round.... having said that i still think he is an EVEN money shot.

In the puppy oaks i thing Skywalker Mandy 14/1 with w hill is a great e/w bet 1/4odds 1st 3. ..there could be a few good bitches on the way out the way the draw is set up.

Had a bet in a Shelbourne classic and Priceless Sky won at a big price. In the other one, think Ballymac Vic was beaten at odds on, so think a 6/1 joint second fav poke for this final quite feasible, rather than being critisized for the choice

You've got your knickers in a twist as i said "seems like you're just playing for the sake of it" however to me all the evidence of what you have posted points to that.


Cant really see Sugar Ray getting beat

You may say i'm nuts and betting for betting sake but it's just a little interest in a big final

You also agreed that bitch you are betting has a desperate draw


Posts like that is why i said it. You all but completely backed up my statement in the 2nd quote above.

Perhaps you think 6/1 is too big despite not thinking Sugar Ray can get beat? I don't know.

Sugar ray comes away he wins
But don't think he's been to hot trap wise
So my bet to cop I'm hoping two beats him out
Tangle up the running , than I hoping for 5 to hit
3-4 as heads for middle to rail
Leaving the plotted up genie !
all I need from her is a good start
And not to go to ****g wide round last two bends
She might nick it !!!!

****g hoping there I know !! only way she wins
12/1 was a mad price Sunday! Only got £20 ew but take that
Only had £25 10-1 from the start!

Gl  everyone still standing ,

I'm happy to take some place money on the Tyrur bitch at this stage

Take no notice of my last post PF. We had put the debate to bed but i'd had a drink. Just out of interest though, what price dya reckon Highview Beauty will be on the night and if she had an ideal draw, what price would she be then?

cant oppose sugar ray, deserves this draw after getting some pig draws in the big ones last year

PF, I agree with you re Snowy 'messing around'. I thought he looked as if HE thought the first finishing post was the line (like the cameraman!) He was almost looking around and then picked up his ears when he realised Ray had gone past. it was kind of humourous, shows them to be sentient beings!!

That is not to take away from TSR, he was going to catch him regardless imo

did Mr Fortune tip Tyrur Amelia and Tyrur Sugar Ray in the post pre comp?  Can't remember..

After the 600 final and Oaks semis, sweet on the chances of well-travelled Airforce Diva. She achieved a creditable 2 from 5 record in England and although didnt fancy her to beat Borna Gem last time, there were things to like about her Irish comeback. A classy bitch, she will surely prove too much of a handful for tonight's rivals

Ian tipped Amelia @ 66s in the Star i think it was Castno but didn't back him [i think he said] like some other fool on here not sure what or if Michael tipped anything

I think you'll get prices like this on course tonight Woody at some stage

4/5
7/1
50/1
4/1
6/1
7/1


As from what price she'd be from a better draw i can't answer as it would depend where others where drawn too

Like the card tonight and have played a few

Race 1 - Cadence @ 11/2 really liked the look of her Tralee run and hope she can get first run at Fridays Twirl who will probably lead.

Race 4 - Paradise Silva @ 8/1 (nap) he is going to take off some night soon walked out last week but showed good enough pace up and then flew down the back. Obviously Sooty is the one to beat but if Silva can come away better [i'd love him to break level] i think he has a serious chance as he can lead those on the inside and with racing room he can take off down the back. Think the price is absolutely massive.

Race 5 - Brenval Star @ 5/1 thought she ran well enough last week in a hot race, thought she showed plenty of pace, i wonder would 2 and 3 be better the other way around and i think Brenval Star has the beating of those outside her to the corner, clearing Rumble Titan is the key [he is a joke price @ 5/4 imo] but i think she's big @ 5s.

Race 6 - Riverside Cashen @ 4/1 think he is the most likely to lead around and while he struggles to get home they're hardly string runners in this. He was unlucky not to go around last week and once he got the trouble that was the end of him, Blue Smoke is rightly fav imo but can he come from behhind Cashen as i think he will have too.

Race 8 - Skywalker Mandy @ 5/1 i had made Leeview Lady fav ahead of Annaleen and think Leeview is a fair price but think the best drawn bitch is big @ 5s. I don't think she is fast enough to win in a clean run race [and may have some of her own ideas] but there must be a chance of trouble on the inside here. Leeview Lady will surely edge middle again and with Annaleen in there they could come together run up, in 5 you have Lucy who wants rails so will be going left leaving Mandy with the outside to herself.

Whizzing Around R2
Endova Cash R3
Gymstar Jaguar R7 and Farloe Chico R7

all NRs

PF- a friend of mine was chatting to Buckley's son last week, Paradise Silva is an aeroplane but is still green as grass, they expect him to be some dog come the summer. His back straight pace was awesome last week, agree he is huge at that price. I'm all over Gunie Basil in the 3rd too, decent punting card down there. Going to hit Slatts or the Bath for the Cup final first

Aye they think the world of him, would rather him the other side of the 1 dog to be honest but the price makes up for that.

I wonder what reserve will go in the 3rd, the 5 had a great draw but then she did last week too i thought if Basil turns handy they'll struggle to hold him, actually thought he'd a chance in the Produce Stakes

Will miss the cup final probably good for me though as i can't watch without a bet and let's just say i'm not a frequent winner on football

Have you seen the match bet Laddies have put up, Ringtown Snowy 10/11 v Highview 10/11. I got a bit of evens earlier on Snowy but they didn't want to play for for any decent stakes, someone is guessing with those prices

I like Snowy in all the bets they have up there, really be surprised if he doesn't lead tonight and wouldn't be surprised if he stayed in front

Idid a lucky 15 with the 1st 4 of your tips P.F with LADDIES, i left out mandy as i have backed her allready...the sponsor have tyrur amilia at 14/1 which is very good value if suger falls asleep coming out of the traps. im looking forward to a great card.

What a great nap that was from pf

I don't know them dogs but what I did see from
Nap  pf put up took off down the back took lengths out of the field some run
Ok it opened up for it at first bend but whoooos well done pf 8-1 great price!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu12Urk0A8o

fav some cert beat

How far would of ray won by if he came away!!
Slip the slow wide boat was slow!

Ballymac Vic.... trial tralee tonite ...... 17.31

PF..Race 4 - Paradise Silva @ 8/1 (nap) he is going to take off some night soon  ..WELL DONE p.f  ..it was the only saving grace for me tonight.

as for suger ray  ..DOE

8/1 on an aeroplane

PF is a ****g Judge, its simple!!!

Well done PF.

I backed Silva last week after watching his previous runs as he looked a serious propsect.

Did not play last night and did not see early prices about him. Would probably have backed Trent anyway on the draw so it made no difference to me as I couldn't see Silva getting a run.

Any views on whether Graduation Day can make up into Derby dog or needs 600? Both himself and litter brother Signal Tower are high class prospects. Dalton wanted a fair bit for the latter but didn't feel as though he would fully get 6 bends and he made less appeal as a result. Nice and honest from Dalton all the same but it stopped a sale to English owner.

Blanket finish in the 600 final. A lot was made of the draw but didnt seem to matter with all dogs having more or less every chance. Apart from the tail-ender, anything could have won, so tight was the finish. Sugar Ray blew it at the start

well done p f

Simple Simon

He ran well last night DV after getting some early bother, you'd think he could easily make up into a Derby dog. Sure we will see them back around Shelbourne soon

Signal Tower is very strong in the second half of the race. His running style suggests that 6 bends would be no problem but he should be effective at 550 with more experience and very useful up to 600. Graduation Day does more in the middle part of the race.

I am sure their next stop is Shelbourne anyway.