Laurence Jones Memorial Festival, Monmore

had 4 bets and a bad day.

mutual decision beat a head, eden star won, bridge honcho beat a short head and buddy beat a short head. 2 x SH and 1 x HD - bag and a half down - untasty.

the only photo i won today was against mutual decision soz to say addy, bet the 2 @10s and in a multi with jules ffs

Oi Oi Oi Elektra!!!!


by god i'm on form

give us a winner

give us a winner

well done czech gave buddy benefit of doubt after st leger run but the doubt was the only thing stopping me going in balls deep

That's me finished for the day although bet Blanco O/R, nice day for a Monday anyway, usually don't like them

was fortunate then, i thought fight fire with fire, pig v pig get into a late bobbing match for the line.. on is evens one is 10s no brainer i did everything right

wd pf

wd pf,how you get the prices i have no idea mate,oddschecker may as well be a fkin hymn sheet these days.

Didn't get much at 9/2 at all, just put it up at 9/2 seen as it was there when i posted, backed Rocket at 4s as well with others.

Could somebody post the 416m final when they get the draw, thanks.

Monmore Festival 416: 1 Lil Risky, 2 Andlyns Asabat, 3 Goa Getta, 4 Loughteen Blanco m, 5 Fridays Daryl w, 6 Dreams Of Glory w

Virtually all choices and savers through to their respetive finals:

Bitches: Bansha, Mutual
Dogs: Eden (max bet)
Stayers: Reagan, Buddy
416: Blanco

Only two not to make it Pluto and Denis

Oh, well done PF (the value king)!

FFS!!! just trying to take the 9/4 Loughteen Blanco and they cut it to 7/4

Vee Cee with their 410/1 Aero Rebel

Bridge Honcho @ 7/1 in the dogs final looks big to me. He will have to come away better than yesterday but is well capable of doing so. If he can come away better or even just level with Bit View Micko he should get a nice run to the bend as he should have the beating of Micko to the corner. Of course if Eden Star hits the lids he will lead up and lead all but he has the pace of Newinn Rocket on his outside and there is pace inside too in Benkaat Blue. At 8/11 he is worth taking on in my opinion and Bridge Honcho looks the most likely to take advantage of problems for the fav as they will likely involve with Newinn Rocket or Benkaat Blue and @ 7/1 he looks value to me.

Can't believe they risked Blanco in the 416 race.

Played decision 9:2 mo was lucky she round round but not lucky when **** up might not clear decision and at the prices 9/2 a bet + the bitch in 5 looks to move across

benkeet got a great draw on paper but if I can recall never traps from red so think Eden hold rocket like he did lemon
thought bridge and bit view run well so to hard Eden breaks he wins

Think blanco needs a run up like the post befor why 416?

Blonde lead but will have crazy fast nut jobs to beat thought areo run well should of won as a great draw

Need a stat man ?

what record as 5 and 6 overall got at the track?

Opens and bags anyone know?

Agree theyre taking a chance running Blanco over 416m but still really hope he wins at antepost 5/2. However, isnt 12/1 Dreams of Glory (each-way) the value in the race?

Originally said 5/2 Bansha the bet in the bitches but the goal-posts have been moved now with 365 going 4/6 Bansha and 9/2 Mutual. No way on God's Earth can there be that big a difference between them ability-wise, so jumped ships aiming for the much bigger win now

Farloe Elektra @ 14/1 in the stayers final looks too big to me, she didn't get to the front in the heats until about the 3rd to 4th bends and then got a bit of luck around the last bends to stay in front. However where she is drawn there must be a chance she can crack out and get to the lead early. It will be no problem leading Aero Rebel in 1 and it is good that she is drawn inside Airforce Harlem. If she can crack out and lead there must be a big chance she stays there, Blonde Reagan is best when in front, Ballyard Buddy doesn't want to pass at times, i don't think Airforce Harlem will come from behind her or Clerihan Gold and Aero Rebel ideally wants further.

im desperate to talk myself out of 7/2 ballyard buddy especially after last week......

think areo rebel 20/1 is huge for a dog that wants rails
Short run to the bend maybe going on its side
should of won Monday IMO
Gl players

684 fatty,not 630

Only just seen Fridays Daryl out of the 416m. Unlucky for connections but makes life easier for my 5/2 Loughteen Blanco and 12/1 Dreams of Glory

Hope max bet 2/1 Eden Star comes off. Would make quite a differnce to yearly balance.

Fingers crossed for 5/2 Blonde Reagan, too and looking for Mutual Decision to make her 9/2 odds look silly

Good luck!

You will be on Dreams Of Glory @ SP.

Did you really back every fav and 2nd fav ante post in these comps re you opening post Woody?

I watched the heats my brain gone !!!
why I have I got 630 on my mind!!

Halfways splits. Bitches final.


Westmead Athena-15.34
Sidelight-15.25
Mutual Decision-15.46
Bansha Mo-15.17
Atouchofvenus-15.13
Svetas Jewel-15.25

*unadjusted for track and traffic

Halfways splits. Dogs final.


Benkaat Blue-14.95
G. Orchard-15.07
Eden Star-15.00
Newinn Rocket-15.03
Bridge Honcho-15.12
Bit View Micko-15.19

*unadjusted for track and traffic.

PF, picked the dogs and wrote this post immediately after seeing draw, before any betting came out. When it did, thought the odds fair enough and stuck with the dogs, rather than changing my mind and going for something which may have been deemed slightly better value. Seems my  choices were justified looking at their prices in the respective finals?

I told you before just because they are shorter prices in finals does not necessarily mean they where value in the first place.

I was asking as you where having a go at Addy on your bags thread about saying he would back 3 dogs coupled at EVS if he made them a 4/7 shot.

Here you have backed the top 2 in the markets coupled at very short odds which is what you where saying you wouldn't do on the other thread.

Wasnt having a go at Addy. I said good luck to him. Everyone has their own way of betting. Maybe im too critical of people who play the numbers game to the extreme, imo. I know the dogs i picked may not all have been the very best value at the start, but i was pleased enough with their prices. In the end i just had very small savers on Pluto and Denis, strongly fancying the first choices which with success this afternoon, would be my biggest winning day of the year. I  follow certain dogs and could travel hundreds of miles just to see a few of them race. I'm in it for the excitement, not necessarily to make a profit all the time, but its nice when i win

good luck, hope you cop on the bitches and 416

woodmanchester • December 7, 2012 3:38 PM GMT

..."but its nice when i win"

ballyard buddy you have redeemed yourself.

Mark Wallis kennel to be avoided until the sickness has completely cleared? Blonde too bad to be true in that race.

wd Addy

wd Wood and Fattie with Mutual

I wrote Wallis off too quickly

Wd winners did the sickness get him bridge what a run!

always back 3 dogs in a race woody lol


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Your
Odds

Your
Stake

Your
Profit

2. Graigues Orchard

21.13

£44.00

£885.50


5. Bridge Honcho

12.34

£50.00

£567.00

6. Bit View Micko

13.69

£60.00

£761.54









£154.00


Lay

Backer's
Odds

Backer's
Stake

PayoutLiability




3. Eden Star

1.86

£199.00

£171.91

Oi Oi Oi Oi Honcho you beauty!!!!

loving this festival

brilliant addy, PF

elementary wd Addy

C'mon Blanco finish off a magical week

wd all winners

Something very much wrong with Eden and Reagan, imvho.

Some big hitters will be crying in their beer tonight

Well done winners!

What makes you think there's somethink up with reagen
he leads he wins he dont he's nowhere even the owner said that weeks ago !

Blanco 2nd

I can't complain, enjoyed this festival, any chance of Monmore staging another one in 2 weeks

3/4 so cant complain, hope eden came off ok

Fatty, a Tv Trophy winner should be staying on better than that at the end of 6 bends. Fact is he never picked a foot up and went backwards

he was all out at end of TV trophy final, plus he never trapped today, you've done your dosh move on

What were the combined odds of 5/4 Bansha, 4/5 Reagan, 4/6 Eden and 6/4 Blanco all getting beat in the 4 high profile races yesterday afternoon? Some people would have lost substantial amounts of money and these results are precisely why i only usually have very small interests.

Is dog racing fixed?

head in hands

bansha - market overeacted imo putting her odds on and you yourself highlighted last years very smart winner shouldnt have been 9/2 - fair to assume the market would ease bansha and support mutual decision, especially drawn inside, then?

reagan - trainer and owner said for months the dog is a different animal when leading. hard campaign lately and was perhaps due a missed break. i think there is very little between reagan and buddy and if buddy didnt have quirks i'd actually favour him slightly in a 2 dog race - one was 4/5 and the other 7/2 - even allowing for buddy not certain to get a clear run with not exceptional early pace, i still felt he was big at anything over 2/1 yesterday.

eden star - best dog in the race for sure, but we all know he needs to lead which he nearly always does. yesterday he had a dog on his outer that was going to look for the rails, look to take his ground and the ability to match him for early pace to the bend. the makeup of the race would have out me off at odds on, bridge honcho is class when on song and last week suggested he was about to find form again. bit view micko is running well so i wanted to be with the outside two. couldnt resist 20/1 graigues incase he somehow got a run. whilst i couldnt see it, i dont mind chancing an animal with good all round pace at that price.

blanco - the 416 trip at monmore is very rarely a punting proposition for me there, i'd be looking to take the short ones on at the best of times although i didnt play the race.

throw into the equation im a bit suspicious about punting short prices on the bags - a service provided for the bookmakers - and im not totally surprised a few got beat.

Is dog racing fixed?

and find me a trainer that will stop their dog in a 5k final please.

It's pointless explaining it, people who call "fix" when they lose their money will never change their view.

You really should sit down and go over it before posting.

Just asked a question. There are fiddles in everything, imo.

Greyhounds just seem to be such an unreliable betting medium. The times long odds on favs get turned over and nothing said. What would the horsey boys say if they lost their 10's of thousands on results like Frankel and Big Bucks getting beat?

Just asked a question. There are fiddles in everything, imo.

Greyhounds just seem to be such an unreliable betting medium. The times long odds on favs get turned over and nothing said. What would the horsey boys say if they lost their 10's of thousands on results like Frankel and Big Bucks getting beat?

bags is definitely fixed , mainly by the racing manager or the grader

woody fingal bay on the horses was beat at 1/12 yesterday, he ran out with a couple of fences to go ($$$$$), it happens, they are animals not machines.....well not many are machines anyway

None of those dogs yesterday should have been odds on and the reasons are outlined above by Addy.

Bansha Mo got led by Mutual Decision who is a brilliant bitch and would not get back ran by her.

Blonde Reagan missed it, he ran sheet but the trainer and owner have previously said he is a dog that has to lead.

Eden Star has been inconsistant at traps recently. He had a dog on his outside who traps well and moves rails which is what happened.

Loughteen Blanco missed it, i was surprised and thought the 6/4 yesterday was a fair price but that still only says he has a 40% chance of winning meaning he has a 60% chance of losing.



Typical response of a mug punter is it is never their fault when they lose, always an outside influence, dog/horse stopped etc.........

I know the most unexpected sometimes happens but i've been doing dog racing since i was 12-y-o and never known so many shock results as this year

Woody , you asked me to look in a mirror ?

As Wonders said "you done your dosh now move on"

Your post shows a total lack of respect for trainers and the sport in general.

PF, i never said dog racing was fixed, i just put the question out. Mainly, i would say deffo know, but i know for a fact fiddles do happen

.... and btw woody just lick on "irishone" and then "block user" to see my picture in the mirror... and you can block me !

You where clearly implying something was up yesterday or why would you have even come out with that?

woody fingal bay on the horses was beat at 1/12 yesterday


i hope to god Hobbs never sends him to another right handed course

Just makes you wonder sometimes PF. I was in a Ladbrokes shop and even Mark Sullivan couldnt believe the results, that says it all to me

Oh well then they where obviously fixed I wonder did Mark, Barry, Seamus and Harry all ring each other and decide to nail their dogs on the same day and have it right off laying on here

what fecking planet is he on ?

Mutual decision a bitch with 28.41 Shelbourne, 28.26 Monmore and won this competition last year

Ballyard Buddy the short priced favourite for the Leger and Sheffield track record holder.

Bridge Honcho with 28.37 Shelbourne, 29.51 Hove and was only just beaten in the semi and was the best drawn dog.

Lil Risky one of the best sprinters around, with a great draw and won the August festival over C&D.





He couldn't believe those results

All great dogs, imo and i'm pleased we have some fine champions but they were all big prices on current form with the favs for those races carrying huge money, which wasnt expected to be money down the drain?

PS, a picture of an extremely ugly man keeps showing up. No idea what he's saying coz he's blocked. He's talking to the hand coz the face aint listening!

no the face doesn't do a lot of listening does it

He's here again. He must like talking to a ghost!

He's probably seething

Only advice i can give you mate is keep taking the ugly pills!

Speak up, i cant hear you!

pmsl

woody if the best dogs won all the time, bookmakers wouldnt exist......and i cant remember how many times ive tried to explain that often the value is to oppose the selection that everyone else wants to be on.......like yesterday. there are a lot of cast iron favs, a lot of good odds on chances, but just because they are odds on or favourite it doesnt give them a divine right to win.

I know Addy but middle-market dogs dont usually capture my imagination. I'm only really in it for a hobby these days and dont envy the people trying to make a living out of betting. Until this year, i was happy winning enough for a couple of holidays a year, thats all

fair enough, but even if you ignore value, the law of averages and probability dictate "shock" results can happen thats all. there will be more days like yesterday in future. anyway, good luck on your bags picks today

"I know  ...... but..."

.... therein lies his problem !

Its not even a case of ignoring value sometimes Addy. Everybody sees a race differently. PF was happy to take 7/1 Bridge Honcho thinking it was value when sp was 8/1 and probably got 10/1 on the exchanges due to the fairer betting percentages.

Take Droopys Hope tonight. I had it in as sp guide of 4/6, mainly 4/5 but you can get evens, so i could look at that as value. Some will say evens isnt even value, people dont always agree, its all about opinions.

I do guides for Sky dogs and if shorter than my tissue i wouldnt be backing, but if you shop around you usually get a price your happy with nearly any dog, dont you?

surprised you're still here irish thought you'd have topped yourself after woody blocked you

woody, I know you are probably a decent guy but without doubt you break records when it comes to being clueless.  I hope for your sake you are a wind up merchant. If you actually have ever worked for the RP then I am Mark Wallis. You are a clown, pure and simple.  My opinion is you are a 17 year old virgin who lives with mum and dad and loves greyhound racing and pines to be revered in greyhound circles and thus creates a far fetched alter ego.  Unfortunately, you are not succeeding.

i like him personally
its woodys aroma that p1sses me off !

Thanks for the psycho-analysis Dodgepot but you could have just said i'm not everybody's cup of tea, couldnt you?

ah youre ok woody, mentally unstable, a right lunatic, but ultimately harmless and entertaining. who knows, you could be having the last laugh keep getting us in the net

Having seen Woody lurking behind the camera on a recent Sky night I can safely say he is not 17, unless he had half a dozen paper rounds and a stint up chimneys!

Whatever your opinions on him this forum would be a lot duller place if he wasn't around.

Thanks for the vote of confidence Cobbler. I know i wind a lot of people up with my unconventional views, can be contrary sometimes, tipped loads of losers this year and often have a moan but dont mean to be offensive

Greyhounds just seem to be such an unreliable betting medium.

woody,a greyhound is an amazingly consistent animal,much more so than a human being imo and in a different planet of reliability compared to a horse with an evil dwarf steering it,except to say a humans consistency is often in that it repeats the same mistakes time and time again due to our inability to react to different circumstances,we tend to use the same approach,regardless of the situation presented to us,a trait particularly prevalent in punters...

I dont always engage my brain before writing Patrick and always stand to be corrected

you're a good egg woody

We ALL come up with some real pearls of wisdom at our low points in this mad world of punting dogs!

Yeah, i'm not always right but you would do well never to disagree with me!