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Race 2 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 1 08:04 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 BALEOUT BUD
Trap 2 TYRUR ANDY
Trap 3 SKYWALKER LEGEND
Trap 4 MEMORIES CHANGE
Trap 5 CORRAKIT
Trap 6 ROYAL RAVEN
Race 3 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 2 08:18 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 LYREEN QUEST
Trap 2 STATESIDE TROIKA
Trap 3 FARLOE BUDDY
Trap 4 KINCRAIG PAT
Trap 5 LEAMANEIGH TURBO
Trap 6 KILMEEN BILL
Race 4 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 3 08:32 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 GENE TASHADELEK
Trap 2 HIGHVIEW REPORT
Trap 3 NIPPY GIRL
Trap 4 AIRFORCE FEAR
Trap 5 LOG CABIN
Trap 6 CLUXTONS FREE
Race 5 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 4 08:46 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 JUMEIRAH VEYRON
Trap 2 AIRPORT CAPTAIN
Trap 3 SKIRTY CRASH
Trap 4 PARADISE GILROY
Trap 5 ODYSSEY
Trap 6 CITY VIEW
Race 7 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 5 09:15 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 BALLYHILL CITY
Trap 2 DROOPYS ADLER
Trap 3 PARADISE MADISON
Trap 4 JACKSALLSTAR
Trap 5 LEAMANEIGH STORY
Trap 6 SLANEYSIDE MOON
Race 8 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 6 09:30 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 HIGHVIEW WINGS
Trap 2 MELODYS DIAMOND
Trap 3 CREMARTIN LARK
Trap 4 GUNITE BASIL
Trap 5 ROYAL DIVA
Trap 6 LASSA EXPEDITION
Race 9 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 7 09:45 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 LADBROKES STAR
Trap 2 ROCKCHASE REEM
Trap 3 DROOPYS ADELAIDE
Trap 4 FAST FIT CONOR
Trap 5 AIRFORCE GENERAL
Trap 6 VALAIS FIRST
Race 10 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 8 10:00 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 FAIRHILL NOEL
Trap 2 SCOLARI EXPRESS
Trap 3 FEAR BIG STAR
Trap 4 MELODYS GAMBLE
Trap 5 TAMBOURINE MAN
Trap 6 LYREEN LEGEND
Hopefully we can find another Hanover Laddie in there this year
Note to Woody:: 1st round will be 4 qualifing and 4 fastest 5th places - 2nd round will be 4 qualifing
It's going 48-36-24-12-6 from what i can see
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Trap 1 BALEOUT BUD
Trap 2 TYRUR ANDY
Trap 3 SKYWALKER LEGEND
Trap 4 MEMORIES CHANGE
Trap 5 CORRAKIT
Trap 6 ROYAL RAVEN
Race 3 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 2 08:18 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 LYREEN QUEST
Trap 2 STATESIDE TROIKA
Trap 3 FARLOE BUDDY
Trap 4 KINCRAIG PAT
Trap 5 LEAMANEIGH TURBO
Trap 6 KILMEEN BILL
Race 4 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 3 08:32 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 GENE TASHADELEK
Trap 2 HIGHVIEW REPORT
Trap 3 NIPPY GIRL
Trap 4 AIRFORCE FEAR
Trap 5 LOG CABIN
Trap 6 CLUXTONS FREE
Race 5 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 4 08:46 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 JUMEIRAH VEYRON
Trap 2 AIRPORT CAPTAIN
Trap 3 SKIRTY CRASH
Trap 4 PARADISE GILROY
Trap 5 ODYSSEY
Trap 6 CITY VIEW
Race 7 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 5 09:15 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 BALLYHILL CITY
Trap 2 DROOPYS ADLER
Trap 3 PARADISE MADISON
Trap 4 JACKSALLSTAR
Trap 5 LEAMANEIGH STORY
Trap 6 SLANEYSIDE MOON
Race 8 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 6 09:30 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 HIGHVIEW WINGS
Trap 2 MELODYS DIAMOND
Trap 3 CREMARTIN LARK
Trap 4 GUNITE BASIL
Trap 5 ROYAL DIVA
Trap 6 LASSA EXPEDITION
Race 9 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 7 09:45 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 LADBROKES STAR
Trap 2 ROCKCHASE REEM
Trap 3 DROOPYS ADELAIDE
Trap 4 FAST FIT CONOR
Trap 5 AIRFORCE GENERAL
Trap 6 VALAIS FIRST
Race 10 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 1 Heat 8 10:00 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 FAIRHILL NOEL
Trap 2 SCOLARI EXPRESS
Trap 3 FEAR BIG STAR
Trap 4 MELODYS GAMBLE
Trap 5 TAMBOURINE MAN
Trap 6 LYREEN LEGEND
Hopefully we can find another Hanover Laddie in there this year
Note to Woody:: 1st round will be 4 qualifing and 4 fastest 5th places - 2nd round will be 4 qualifing
It's going 48-36-24-12-6 from what i can see
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I take your point that 4 races in 4 weeks would have been pretty much the same as 5 races in 5 weeks.
If you'd read my posts you would see i never once said that so i've no idea where you have got that from.
Listen i never on this thread said i agreed with the format of the competition, i never on this thread said i disagreed with it either, i have accepted the way it is formatted and informed others before it was posted on the IGB how many dogs would qualify from each round and that has got some people in a tizzy. Sorry for trying to be helpful.
If you'd read my posts you would see i never once said that so i've no idea where you have got that from.
Listen i never on this thread said i agreed with the format of the competition, i never on this thread said i disagreed with it either, i have accepted the way it is formatted and informed others before it was posted on the IGB how many dogs would qualify from each round and that has got some people in a tizzy. Sorry for trying to be helpful.
Let's hope they price it up today and perhaps the actual racing and betting can get talked about. 
16/11/2012
There were gasps from the early arriving racegoers when the time was announced for Ardfert Thunder’s pre-racing trial at Shelbourne last night.
The Frances O’Donnell trained son of Droopys Vieri and Soviet Cheyenne had gone unbeaten through the Munster Puppy Cup at Clonmel with a best time of 28.41.
But he still caught people by surprise when he flew around and stopped the clock at 28.09, just nine spots off Milldean Panther’s record.
There were gasps from the early arriving racegoers when the time was announced for Ardfert Thunder’s pre-racing trial at Shelbourne last night.
The Frances O’Donnell trained son of Droopys Vieri and Soviet Cheyenne had gone unbeaten through the Munster Puppy Cup at Clonmel with a best time of 28.41.
But he still caught people by surprise when he flew around and stopped the clock at 28.09, just nine spots off Milldean Panther’s record.
can only say so much !
where's the betting!!!!! FFS
we ain't going to get any views from the Irish lads with out value ante post bets!
ain't got time to look at it myself just watch the 1st round make up my mind than Hope they price up !!!
where's the betting!!!!! FFS
we ain't going to get any views from the Irish lads with out value ante post bets!
ain't got time to look at it myself just watch the 1st round make up my mind than Hope they price up !!!
I see Ian Fortune asked Cooney from 365 and PP for prices on twitter. I contacted PP yesterday about prices and got the usual jibberish so just gave up and contacted Spoils who said they'd have prices this morning but i'm not banking on them either.
Leamaneigh Story @ 12/1 e/w (His Thurles form looks very decent. Has clocked 28.76 around there and done 1.78, 1.81 and 1.84 sectionals which looks good in comparison to what Milldean Panther was doing down there last year. He has had 2 trials around Shelbourne going well enough in them and looks to have a nice mix of early and middle pace. Has drawn the toughest heat but with the format can hopefully qualify and the draw looks alright and he has seemed to take a middle course to the corner in Thurles. I think he is a more than fair price at 12/1)
Fear Big Star @ 16/1 e/w (Only had 2 races and is still a baby but i think he could turn out very good. He really impressed me last week, he wasn't well away on the night but went up to the corner well enough and managed to get around handy, he then flew down the back straight but got to the bend just at the wrong time and checked up. He can break better than he did that night as shown on his debut and he has big pace, with more experience he could be anything)
They're my main 2 bets but had to have some pennies on 1 more as he is another that could turn out to be anything.
Melodys Gamble @ 14/1 e/w (Had done 28.50 before he had raced and then was a short price for his debut in a really hot unraced stake. He proceeded to make the worst start i think i have ever seen a dog make doing a 2.55 sectional, however after being left absolutely miles behind he absolutely flew around to only get beaten about 6L. He has since came out on Thursday last week and done a flying 28.33 trial on a track i didn't feel was that flying. He has mental pace and is another with experience could turn out to be anything)
Fear Big Star @ 16/1 e/w (Only had 2 races and is still a baby but i think he could turn out very good. He really impressed me last week, he wasn't well away on the night but went up to the corner well enough and managed to get around handy, he then flew down the back straight but got to the bend just at the wrong time and checked up. He can break better than he did that night as shown on his debut and he has big pace, with more experience he could be anything)
They're my main 2 bets but had to have some pennies on 1 more as he is another that could turn out to be anything.
Melodys Gamble @ 14/1 e/w (Had done 28.50 before he had raced and then was a short price for his debut in a really hot unraced stake. He proceeded to make the worst start i think i have ever seen a dog make doing a 2.55 sectional, however after being left absolutely miles behind he absolutely flew around to only get beaten about 6L. He has since came out on Thursday last week and done a flying 28.33 trial on a track i didn't feel was that flying. He has mental pace and is another with experience could turn out to be anything)
Rockchase Reem 25-1 PP is a huge price for the amount of pace he has at his disposal. Obviously over this distance he is going to have to passa number of dogs each night but he is a seriously fast hound.The other is Melodys Gamble 14-1 PP who could literally be a classic winner in waiting even after one unplaced start.I can wait to see what he does tonight.
Obviously extremely difficult with so much untapped potential, bit like searching for a needle in a haystack.
Thought: narrow it down. Came up with about 18, then boiled it down 6.
Top two Farloe Buddy and Jacksallstar obviously most fancied to go furthest at this stage but nothing clever in that
Thought: narrow it down. Came up with about 18, then boiled it down 6.
Top two Farloe Buddy and Jacksallstar obviously most fancied to go furthest at this stage but nothing clever in that
Not too far behind those, i liked 10/1 Droopys Adler, small play, along with 14/1 Lassa Expidition. Looking at a couple of outsiders, thrown a few coins at 25/1 apiece Skywalker Legend and Ladbrokes Star.
Good luck, think we will be needing it!
Good luck, think we will be needing it!
Oh, doing my Mystic Meg impression now but wouldnt be surprised if the outright winner came from heat 5 tonight
track Record gone Paradise Madison 27.97 after findin slight bother
Paradise Madison 27.97 after findin slight bother
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UKP1GEUpm2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RYR7HEtSHTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yNoZ8lCvcsY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yZeS5BN7QlE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yNoZ8lCvcsY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yZeS5BN7QlE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fzwBqutUFUg
How on earth has he clocked that time looking at the other result times tonight. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEco7XuTRlM&feature=autoshare
Then again North Bound also clocked a fast one. 
Sensational run, he always looked like he could do something special if he could come out of the boxes better, didn't quite believe that special 
It's a pity he got injured at Longford as god only knows how he could have got on in the Derby.
Anyway he will have to keep coming away like that, this comp is still wide open.
It's a pity he got injured at Longford as god only knows how he could have got on in the Derby.
Anyway he will have to keep coming away like that, this comp is still wide open.
Race 1 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 2 Heat 1 08:46 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 CREMARTIN LARK
Trap 2 LOG CABIN
Trap 3 HIGHVIEW WINGS
Trap 4 AIRFORCE FEAR
Trap 5 DROOPYS ADLER
Trap 6 CORRAKIT
Race 2 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 2 Heat 2 09:00 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 SCOLARI EXPRESS
Trap 2 PARADISE GILROY
Trap 3 ROYAL DIVA
Trap 4 MELODYS GAMBLE
Trap 5 SKYWALKER LEGEND
Trap 6 LYREEN QUEST
Race 3 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 2 Heat 3 09:15 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 JACKSALLSTAR
Trap 2 ODYSSEY
Trap 3 LASSA EXPEDITION
Trap 4 SLIPPERY TED
Trap 5 LADBROKES STAR
Trap 6 KILMEEN BILL
Race 4 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 2 Heat 4 09:30 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 PARADISE MADISON
Trap 2 AIRFORCE PRINCE
Trap 3 FEAR BIG STAR
Trap 4 LEAMANEIGH TURBO
Trap 5 SKIRTY CRASH
Trap 6 NIPPY GIRL
Race 5 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 2 Heat 5 09:45 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 ROCKCHASE REEM
Trap 2 HIGHVIEW REPORT
Trap 3 FARLOE BUDDY
Trap 4 KINCRAIG PAT
Trap 5 FAST FIT CONOR
Trap 6 VALAIS FIRST
Race 6 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 2 Heat 6 10:00 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 BALLYHILL CITY
Trap 2 LEAMANEIGH STORY
Trap 3 JUMEIRAH VEYRON
Trap 4 FAIRHILL NOEL
Trap 5 AIRFORCE GENERAL
Trap 6 LYREEN LEGEND
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Trap 1 CREMARTIN LARK
Trap 2 LOG CABIN
Trap 3 HIGHVIEW WINGS
Trap 4 AIRFORCE FEAR
Trap 5 DROOPYS ADLER
Trap 6 CORRAKIT
Race 2 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 2 Heat 2 09:00 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 SCOLARI EXPRESS
Trap 2 PARADISE GILROY
Trap 3 ROYAL DIVA
Trap 4 MELODYS GAMBLE
Trap 5 SKYWALKER LEGEND
Trap 6 LYREEN QUEST
Race 3 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 2 Heat 3 09:15 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 JACKSALLSTAR
Trap 2 ODYSSEY
Trap 3 LASSA EXPEDITION
Trap 4 SLIPPERY TED
Trap 5 LADBROKES STAR
Trap 6 KILMEEN BILL
Race 4 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 2 Heat 4 09:30 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 PARADISE MADISON
Trap 2 AIRFORCE PRINCE
Trap 3 FEAR BIG STAR
Trap 4 LEAMANEIGH TURBO
Trap 5 SKIRTY CRASH
Trap 6 NIPPY GIRL
Race 5 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 2 Heat 5 09:45 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 ROCKCHASE REEM
Trap 2 HIGHVIEW REPORT
Trap 3 FARLOE BUDDY
Trap 4 KINCRAIG PAT
Trap 5 FAST FIT CONOR
Trap 6 VALAIS FIRST
Race 6 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 2 Heat 6 10:00 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 BALLYHILL CITY
Trap 2 LEAMANEIGH STORY
Trap 3 JUMEIRAH VEYRON
Trap 4 FAIRHILL NOEL
Trap 5 AIRFORCE GENERAL
Trap 6 LYREEN LEGEND
What is everyone's views on the winning heat times? Surely there isn't 15 lengths off a difference (using 0.07 for a length)between the TR holder and some of the heat winners.
PF- How did the pre race trials go time wise? What's your view on the going last night?
PF- How did the pre race trials go time wise? What's your view on the going last night?
Milldean Panther 28.44
Tyrur Sugar Ray 28.36
Razldazl Will 28.47
Uncle Eoin 28.52
Tyrur Gilmore 28.46
I didn't think the going was anything out of the ordinary, Madison and North Bound did huge runs (there best yet) but Refuge Of Sinner ran pretty much to his Shelbourne form off his best break around there. This dog was going around Shelbourne in brilliant times before he had ever raced. He made the Longford Derby Final in which he got injured after going into the comp with only 1 run to his name. He has always had the speed he just wasn't coming away, i was surprised that he had the early to lead last night though but once doing so he was always going to do a big run, granted i didn't think that big!!
There are still plenty of pups in here that can win the comp, he is more experienced than mos Madison and North Bound t and has ran in better class races than them but he will still have to keep trapping like he did last night in my opinion. I think it's a real exciting comp and think there are plenty still in with a big chance.
Tyrur Sugar Ray 28.36
Razldazl Will 28.47
Uncle Eoin 28.52
Tyrur Gilmore 28.46
I didn't think the going was anything out of the ordinary, Madison and North Bound did huge runs (there best yet) but Refuge Of Sinner ran pretty much to his Shelbourne form off his best break around there. This dog was going around Shelbourne in brilliant times before he had ever raced. He made the Longford Derby Final in which he got injured after going into the comp with only 1 run to his name. He has always had the speed he just wasn't coming away, i was surprised that he had the early to lead last night though but once doing so he was always going to do a big run, granted i didn't think that big!!
There are still plenty of pups in here that can win the comp, he is more experienced than mos Madison and North Bound t and has ran in better class races than them but he will still have to keep trapping like he did last night in my opinion. I think it's a real exciting comp and think there are plenty still in with a big chance.
no idea what happened the first line of the 2nd paragraph 
Thought Melody's Gamble ran a nice race for being so green
does anyone think the drapers give
There dogs a look next weekend ?
will they be invited ?
There dogs a look next weekend ?
will they be invited ?
Yeah Chopper i thought both Melodys Gamble and Fear Big Star ran well in defeat, i think they would have been better off the other way around down the back as i don't think they where doing each other any favours. I think both are capable of a massive run if they can get it right at boxes, maybe Melodys Gamble this week but worry for the other lad with the dog directly outside him.
I don't know Fattie and won't be able to make it in (i don't think) due to a mates 30th, can't get him to go dogs.
If it where me i would invite Farloe Warhawk for the 525y and maybe Ballymac Eske for the 550y, 575y or 600y race if he did a big trial. I would not invite Eden Star because he has basically done f all this year due to injury (not his fault) and there has to be dogs who have achieved more this year than him and they should not be left out.
However reading other forums plenty don't any English runners invited bar Sawpit Sensation seen as he entered the Derby and the others have not ran in IGB competitions, Warhawk did run Derby final night though.
I don't know Fattie and won't be able to make it in (i don't think) due to a mates 30th, can't get him to go dogs.
If it where me i would invite Farloe Warhawk for the 525y and maybe Ballymac Eske for the 550y, 575y or 600y race if he did a big trial. I would not invite Eden Star because he has basically done f all this year due to injury (not his fault) and there has to be dogs who have achieved more this year than him and they should not be left out.
However reading other forums plenty don't any English runners invited bar Sawpit Sensation seen as he entered the Derby and the others have not ran in IGB competitions, Warhawk did run Derby final night though.
your right about Eden but everyone was talking about him befor
May he was a talking point all over the place
I think his 3 dogs be aid by the fact the he's had runner in Ireland
Over the years the fact the English never come over help dreapers get the red carpet
May he was a talking point all over the place
I think his 3 dogs be aid by the fact the he's had runner in Ireland
Over the years the fact the English never come over help dreapers get the red carpet
Who ever going to make up the card they got some job!
and the draws everyone going to want to see them live
Maybe the Wednesday live at the track keep the public happy well trainer owners that is
and the draws everyone going to want to see them live
Maybe the Wednesday live at the track keep the public happy well trainer owners that is
Who ever going to make up the card they got some job!
and the draws everyone going to want to see them live
Maybe the Wednesday live at the track keep the public happy well trainer owners that is
and the draws everyone going to want to see them live
Maybe the Wednesday live at the track keep the public happy well trainer owners that is
Chopper, said on another thread Paradise Madison had 10 lengths in hand on his nearest rival on the clock but i use .08 of a second per length
He seemed to take a couple of little bumps too but his manner of victory was such i've had a go outright at 3/1.
The other flying run came in the preceeding race, so just wonder if the track was watered?
Both Madison and North Bound looked highly impressive anyway, virtually all the other dogs looked a shade pedestrian in comparison, imo
The other flying run came in the preceeding race, so just wonder if the track was watered?
Both Madison and North Bound looked highly impressive anyway, virtually all the other dogs looked a shade pedestrian in comparison, imo
I would of backed my last buck that woody go in on new tr holder
At eye poping value in a puppy stake !
At eye poping value in a puppy stake !
Not disagreeing PF but easier to use .08. That is for example .04 for half length, instead of .035, same applies to quarter of a length: .02 on the .08 per length scale. Only splitting hairs anyway
Well Fatty, i could be deemed correct if Madison starts odds-on for the final
Just think youve got to take notice of a run like that when the Irish rave about a 28.50s run
you can't disagree because i am right
Argue the toss about 1/100th of a second why dont you! . One spot is a short-head, would you agree? So, 7 short-heads, makes the length of a dog, i dont think so!
. One spot is a short-head, would you agree? So, 7 short-heads, makes the length of a dog, i dont think so!
It's pointless trying to help you, all i will say is around Shelbourne Park 7 spots = 1L (FACT whether you like it or not)
pf
think its because they might go a touch quicker at shelbourne
think its because they might go a touch quicker at shelbourne
I was hoping you put something mad up about Cremartin Lark yesterday and the others would follow as they did, still think 50s is fair though. Leamaneigh Turbo was another i was hoping for a whopper price, thought he showed lovely early after missing it on Saturday, moved rails too.
it is strange that ireland use 0.7 for a lenth yet 0.8 here but im not getting into which is right or wrong
I've always used 8 pips a length from the days of proof reading when the quality of print was poor. Not sure how PF can say: "you cant disagree because i am right" because it's only a rule of thumb guesstimation. Sure youll find sprinters run faster than marathon performers at the end of 893m
Think you'll find racing managers use the 8 spots estimation when working out handicaps, too
Not sure how PF can say: "you cant disagree because i am right"
Are you really going to argue this with me?? Read an Irish racecard FFS. 7 spots = 1 length
When the Comerford Cakes National Puppy Stake is moved to an English track i will then conceade 1L = 8 spots but while it is run at Shelbourne it is as i have said.
Are you really going to argue this with me?? Read an Irish racecard FFS. 7 spots = 1 length
When the Comerford Cakes National Puppy Stake is moved to an English track i will then conceade 1L = 8 spots but while it is run at Shelbourne it is as i have said.
BJG, time, distance and speed are all related. I've said too much already, anyway
woodmanchester is correct, all the irish dogs flapped when they arrived in uk for last 40 years 0.8 is correct. the 0.7 is a mistake, if you look at a photo finish print you will find the answer.
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BJG, time, distance and speed are all related. I've said too much already, anyway
7 spots = 1 length here so there is no argument
Do u change every dogs times outside the winner to suit ur thoughts at .08 per length?
Replies: 3526 19 Nov 12 14:02
BJG, time, distance and speed are all related. I've said too much already, anyway
7 spots = 1 length here so there is no argument
Do u change every dogs times outside the winner to suit ur thoughts at .08 per length?
So every single track in Ireland is wrong, every single racecard printed since i started going racing is wrong.
So Jackallstar actually clocked 28.72 and not 28.62 or he didn't get beat 10L in fact he got beat 8 3/4L.
So Jackallstar actually clocked 28.72 and not 28.62 or he didn't get beat 10L in fact he got beat 8 3/4L.
FACT..........................7 SPOTS = 1 LENGTH
...and what if you get a large dog winning, the 2nd could be beaten a length but it would be over .07 of a second behind!
Anyway, i wasnt referring to Jacks. Meant Madison would have beaten the next fastest heat winner, Fairhill Noel 28.72, 10 lengths to my calculations on the night, on the clock
its 0.8 how long have you been watching dogs ? unless it changed when i was drunk in the 90s, its always been 0.8 ask Fraser Black ?
Well it was lways 0.8 in uk where i suppose it was more relevant cos flapping was where the real good dogs ran,there must be a few old handicappers on the site, who might appear and give he thread and forum some wisdom, off topic why does irish tracks still advertise races in yards ?
the reason i know this ive seen it done years ago a hundred times, the photo actually showed every dog and the last finishers time time was worked out from the winner on big viewfinder, defo 0.8
all tracks advertise there races in yards and metres
Well it was lways 0.8 in uk where i suppose it was more relevant cos flapping was where the real good dogs ran,there must be a few old handicappers on the site, who might appear and give he thread and forum some wisdom, off topic why does irish tracks still advertise races in yards ?
no that has absolutely no relevance what so ever, we are talking about Shelbourne Park here where 7 spots = 1 length. Thanks!!
no that has absolutely no relevance what so ever, we are talking about Shelbourne Park here where 7 spots = 1 length. Thanks!!
sorry i misread you post, apoligies
yes i know that, im going to the cross shortly but why are yards still used at all ? and generally if fortune is introducing it he says 525 YARDS N3 UNRACED STAKE, THE FAVOURITE'S IN ONE, could this be something to to with this discussion ?
This argument was done on global greyhounds 10 years ago, cant remember the outcome, but i know woody is correct, anyway pointless argument unless you are flapping
This argument was done on global greyhounds 10 years ago, cant remember the outcome, but i know woody is correct, anyway pointless argument unless you are flapping
At 50/1, Fairhill Noel finds himself about 20th in the betting, despite recording the 2nd fastest winning time in the heats. Must be worth a few bob each-way?
Race 1 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 3 Heat 1 08:18 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 LEAMANEIGH STORY
Trap 2 LOG CABIN
Trap 3 FAST FIT CONOR
Trap 4 PARADISE MADISON
Trap 5 AIRFORCE PRINCE
Trap 6 FARLOE BUDDY
Race 2 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 3 Heat 2 08:32 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 ROCKCHASE REEM
Trap 2 HIGHVIEW WINGS
Trap 3 SLIPPERY TED
Trap 4 DROOPYS ADLER
Trap 5 HIGHVIEW REPORT
Trap 6 AIRFORCE GENERAL
Race 3 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 3 Heat 3 08:46 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 SCOLARI EXPRESS
Trap 2 BALLYHILL CITY
Trap 3 MELODYS GAMBLE
Trap 4 ROYAL DIVA
Trap 5 LYREEN LEGEND
Trap 6 KILMEEN BILL
Race 4 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 3 Heat 4 09:00 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 FEAR BIG STAR
Trap 2 LASSA EXPEDITION
Trap 3 ODYSSEY
Trap 4 LEAMANEIGH TURBO
Trap 5 SKYWALKER LEGEND
Trap 6 AIRFORCE FEAR
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Trap 1 LEAMANEIGH STORY
Trap 2 LOG CABIN
Trap 3 FAST FIT CONOR
Trap 4 PARADISE MADISON
Trap 5 AIRFORCE PRINCE
Trap 6 FARLOE BUDDY
Race 2 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 3 Heat 2 08:32 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 ROCKCHASE REEM
Trap 2 HIGHVIEW WINGS
Trap 3 SLIPPERY TED
Trap 4 DROOPYS ADLER
Trap 5 HIGHVIEW REPORT
Trap 6 AIRFORCE GENERAL
Race 3 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 3 Heat 3 08:46 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 SCOLARI EXPRESS
Trap 2 BALLYHILL CITY
Trap 3 MELODYS GAMBLE
Trap 4 ROYAL DIVA
Trap 5 LYREEN LEGEND
Trap 6 KILMEEN BILL
Race 4 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Round 3 Heat 4 09:00 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 FEAR BIG STAR
Trap 2 LASSA EXPEDITION
Trap 3 ODYSSEY
Trap 4 LEAMANEIGH TURBO
Trap 5 SKYWALKER LEGEND
Trap 6 AIRFORCE FEAR
I guess i'll be in the minority looking forward to these races most on Dec 1st 
Bad situation if you where on Jackallstar, draw is a bit lobsided with the 2nd and 3nd quarter looking weaker than the 1st and 4th.
PF do you think Rockchase needs outside or is he just clumsy and all over the place? I want to punt Droopys Adler in that heat but think there could be carnage on the run up
Yeah you'd have to think he is better off away from the fence. I don't really know what to make of the race, no idea what will go around in front or how it's likely to pan out. I made Adler fav but it's a race i won't play unless someone goes a lot bigger on something than i made it.
Paradise Madison just awesome again. Great commentary on the race as well!
Does anyone have any halfway splits for the stake? I'm thinking of punting Skywalker, he must have been 5 of Melodys Gamble out of the 2nd bend and got to 3.5 lengths of him, his lack of early is a concern though
He ran on real well last weekend, thought he was very eyecatching. Like you say though he's always going to be behind to the corner. On Saturday you'd imagine he will be turning behind 1,2,3 and 4 and if he misses it he has 6 coming across him. He's so strong though you'd hope he runs on to qualify at the least. Don't have any half way sectionals for ya.
1. Paradise Madison
2. Droopys Adler
3. Rockchase Reem
4. Odyssey
5. Leamaneigh Turbo
6. Airforce General (m)
1. Fear Big Star
2. Scolari Express
3. Leamaneigh Story
4. Ballyhill City
5. Farloe Buddy
6. Kilmeen Bill (w)
Leamaneigh Story and Fear Big Star really stepped up last night, always thought they had big runs in them and they are getting better every week although they are probably in the tougher heat in my opinion.
Got a big slice of luck with Leamaneigh Turbo getting through due to Skywalker Legend getting his card held.
Paradise Madison ran well after getting first bend trouble and is plotted up in the semi final, please draw him middle in the final!!
2. Droopys Adler
3. Rockchase Reem
4. Odyssey
5. Leamaneigh Turbo
6. Airforce General (m)
1. Fear Big Star
2. Scolari Express
3. Leamaneigh Story
4. Ballyhill City
5. Farloe Buddy
6. Kilmeen Bill (w)
Leamaneigh Story and Fear Big Star really stepped up last night, always thought they had big runs in them and they are getting better every week although they are probably in the tougher heat in my opinion.
Got a big slice of luck with Leamaneigh Turbo getting through due to Skywalker Legend getting his card held.
Paradise Madison ran well after getting first bend trouble and is plotted up in the semi final, please draw him middle in the final!!
saw madison weaving about behind quicker starters at longford in the summer, seems to have come on a bomb since then. Odyssey could get out quicker and maybe lead to the third bend wandering about as it does, but it dont get home so madison looks a good thing .... but they are pups 
buckleys is well touted here (no change there then !) in the second semi-final but looks to have bottomed out now, will be surprised to see it in the final, it would be a great run from 3 if it did get through !
What is the point in Stan James?? The have priced up the comp now and have 13 dogs quoted, yes 13 dogs quoted at the semi final stage It gets worse though, they have Airforce Fear and Lyreen Legend quoted, Airforce Fear was a NR in the quarter finals and Lyreen Legend finished last in it's quarter final.
I know i like Leamaneigh Turbo but they have him quaoted @ 6/1 when he is 50/1 elsewhere. They won't take a bet and anyway if that is going to be the effort they put into pricing it up seriously what is the point.
It gets worse though, they have Airforce Fear and Lyreen Legend quoted, Airforce Fear was a NR in the quarter finals and Lyreen Legend finished last in it's quarter final. I know i like Leamaneigh Turbo but they have him quaoted @ 6/1
when he is 50/1 elsewhere. They won't take a bet and anyway if that is going to be the effort they put into pricing it up seriously what is the point.
Laughable, but i normally like 365. Fair and earliest odds on nearly every competition for my little bets.
Already with 3/1 Madison, i can afford the luxury of having a 7/2 bet Story. Very confident i will collect
Already with 3/1 Madison, i can afford the luxury of having a 7/2 bet Story. Very confident i will collect
I can't find a bet on the semi finals with the off course books, i made Madison a 2/5 shot as well and the rest are all too short with Droopys Adler way too short but i suppose they're avoiding e/w bets with him.
The 2nd semi is the same in that i think they have it right. I went:
7/2
9/2
2/1
16/1
9/2
40/1
so i can't be playing on that race either
The 2nd semi is the same in that i think they have it right. I went:
7/2
9/2
2/1
16/1
9/2
40/1
so i can't be playing on that race either
The track is such a speedway at the mo and by no means am I knocking the dog, what a run! The management need to do something about, times are not comparable week on week, they need to introduce going ratings or it's going to turn into a farce
A minimum of 30 fast, and at times probably quicker. Some dog though all the same..............
Droops jet 27.92. Notts track guy been moonlighting at HQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg_KnXhhG3I&feature=g-high-u
Race 5 2012 Comerford Cakes National Puppy 525 Final 09:45 Approx. (525 Yds. Flat) (Race Grade : AA0)
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Trap 1 LEAMANEIGH STORY
Trap 2 PARADISE MADISON
Trap 3 LEAMANEIGH TURBO
Trap 4 DROOPYS ADLER
Trap 5 FEAR BIG STAR
Trap 6 SCOLARI EXPRESS
semi finals couldn't have went much better, i have to get paid on 1 of them now anyway delighted Story is inside Madison but i will need Turbo to do a job on him run up too,
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Trap 1 LEAMANEIGH STORY
Trap 2 PARADISE MADISON
Trap 3 LEAMANEIGH TURBO
Trap 4 DROOPYS ADLER
Trap 5 FEAR BIG STAR
Trap 6 SCOLARI EXPRESS
semi finals couldn't have went much better, i have to get paid on 1 of them now anyway
delighted Story is inside Madison but i will need Turbo to do a job on him run up too,
have backed story and adler ew 1st 4 wot price they finish 5th and 6th i could stop a train at the moment
Might not have been best value at the time of backing but point is, got a good bet on a 3/1 ticket Paradise Madison, about a 4/9 chance. Bets similar to this just havent been coming off this year but with money back Leamaneigh Story, its difficult to see anything else getting into it
Chopper76 What is everyone's views on the winning heat times?
i think madisons was a one off, i bet the trainer is in a right quandry now, somewhere between "Has it peaked too early ?" and "WTF did I do right in the last couple of weeks so that I can repeat it when I want !"
i think madisons was a one off, i bet the trainer is in a right quandry now, somewhere between "Has it peaked too early ?" and "WTF did I do right in the last couple of weeks so that I can repeat it when I want !"
This was way beyond a joke before last night but now it's laughable .
I couldnt envisage defeat for both Madison and Story, prize going to a 25/1 shot, hot on the heels of a 20/1 shot winning the Essex Vase. What on Earth have i got to do to get an antepost bet up in big race final?.
Well, this result just puts my betting year in a nutshell, unbelieveable!.
Jumeirah Dubai and Borna Gem must be a million!
.I couldnt envisage defeat for both Madison and Story, prize going to a 25/1 shot, hot on the heels of a 20/1 shot winning the Essex Vase. What on Earth have i got to do to get an antepost bet up in big race final?
.Well, this result just puts my betting year in a nutshell, unbelieveable!
.Jumeirah Dubai and Borna Gem must be a million!
Was a fantastic result i was delighted anyway, i know BJG was too!
i was delighted anyway, i know BJG was too!
Not seen race yet but believe Madison KO. Hope she's okay
He ran on to the pick up and seemed alright, Ollie will have him checked out no doubt and he will be left off now until either the Gold Cup or Easter Cup.
18/12/2012
Paradise Madison emerged unscathed from his horrific looking fall in Saturday’s final of the Comerford Cakes National Puppy Stake at Shelbourne Park.
Both owner Dave Buckley and trainer Ollie Bray yesterday expressed their relief that the new Shelbourne 525 record breaker appeared to be in top form following the incident.
The dog is now set to have a break before returning to action in either the SIS Live Gold Cup or the Easter Cup. However, both owner and trainer were of the opinion that the dog’s days of running over 525 yards are at an end.
Given the dog’s obvious suitability for distances further than 525 yards, one wonders if he can add the 550 yards record to his amazing 27.67 mark for the 525 yards. Given his style of running one would even go so far as to reckon that this brilliant son of Head Bound and Paradise Alanna could well go on to claim the 550, 575 and 600 yard records. Now, wouldn’t that be something?
Paradise Madison emerged unscathed from his horrific looking fall in Saturday’s final of the Comerford Cakes National Puppy Stake at Shelbourne Park.
Both owner Dave Buckley and trainer Ollie Bray yesterday expressed their relief that the new Shelbourne 525 record breaker appeared to be in top form following the incident.
The dog is now set to have a break before returning to action in either the SIS Live Gold Cup or the Easter Cup. However, both owner and trainer were of the opinion that the dog’s days of running over 525 yards are at an end.
Given the dog’s obvious suitability for distances further than 525 yards, one wonders if he can add the 550 yards record to his amazing 27.67 mark for the 525 yards. Given his style of running one would even go so far as to reckon that this brilliant son of Head Bound and Paradise Alanna could well go on to claim the 550, 575 and 600 yard records. Now, wouldn’t that be something?
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