Oaks, early betting

think i will wait for final entries PF but im a huge fan of bridge ruth.

Fatty think Jenny gone back to Ireland . perky no where near fit why o why do you look past the best bitch in the world she never lets you down come on loner

Best bitch in the world. Really?? She is a fantastic bitch but not sure what backs up that claim.

fantastic is probably not doing her justcie actually, she is an exceptional bitch

Would not swap her for any other who would you take

Bridge Ruth who won the Cesarewitch and Longford Derby.
Airforce Diva who won the big unraced in Tralee and was 2nd in the Puppy Oaks and made the Irish Derby semi final.
Milldean Tally who won the Irish Oaks and was 3rd in the International.
Cabra Millie an Oaks and Christmas Oaks finalist, won a good bitch stake in Clonmel and was 2nd in the International.


I'd argue they are every bit as good as her, they are all brilliant bitches.



As for your Oaks i don't know yet as i don't know how Bridge Ruth and Airforce Diva will take to Wimbledon and the different traps. As of now i'd say Bridge Ruth would be the one of them too that would interest me more as i think she will be fine around there and she is a lot more consistant at the start than Airforce Diva. I'd favour Bridge Ruth and Droopys Loner from the list Hills have on their site.

At her best Silverview Perky is the fastest and best bitch both sides of the pond, imo. Droopys Loner was no match for Perky in last year's Oaks and although improved in the Derby etc, her Wimbledon best of 28.50 leaves her something to find with Perky's 28.20 and 28.28 victories. At Hove, Bridge Ruth best 29.62 and Airforce Diva 29.82, whereas Perky has a 29.47 on her card. (All times calculated)

In your opinion, what says she is better or faster than Milldean Tally or Cabra Millie?

And i could argue about the times you put up for Bridge Ruth too, she did that clock on her first look at Hove, what did Silverview Perky do in her first run around there. Who is too say Bridge Ruth won't go quicker around there with the more experience of the track behind her.

can't argue the times obviously, that came out wrong

Why as hills put a dead bitch in its betting nice !

Airforce diva cracking bitch looks a leger bitch to me rather than oaks
saw jess on the inter track tonight thought she run well all the way to the pick up
Saw the time pretty good 16.01

Oaks betting at this stage is full of pitfalls, The market is headed up by two bitches that haven't even seen W'don yet! Droopys Loner runs W'don well but stretches her stamina. She's a bitch who has been surpressed so if fit will take her place, Silverview Perky another bitch thats been surpressed but will she be fit to take her place.Rockburst Pearl n/r & i think Ballymac Wander will also be a n/r. So at the moment Droopys Loner would be the only safe bet for me.

Fwiw The best bitch imo either side of the Irish sea is Cabra Millie.

All very interesting. Personally, dont think Bridge Ruth or Cabra Millie would be 28.20 bitches round Wimbledon, QED (as my friend Miss Wales says). Should be a great competition anyway. Thinking of possibly going down to London for the first round

interesting that of Perky's 28 races, the 13 fastest as per GD rating include 8 bitches only races, 3 puppy races and the (lucky) Select Stakes win. Perky not run for 2 months and Lister saying she may not enter Oaks..I think she's a great bitch but she has been well managed..and not run against the best (dogs) like Diva and Ruth. Also when Perky came up against equally 'best' bitch at Hove, R Pearl in a clear run Pearl nailed her to the wall, no excuses. I think much stronger Oaks this year IF the best out there take their place but like the St Leger dropping like flies..so think you'd be barking taking AP's now.

sorry, meant not performed when ran against best dogs..

molly will enter i think got a 28.54 there behind perky derby final night and a few 28.60/70 trials, loves the place, only problem is she is running like she cant do 29.54......

for what its worth, i dont think diva will have the early to make bends around there and i think bridge ruth is going to be incredibly difficult to beat if taking to the traps.

droopys loner for me thought it looked as good as ever at monmore heat win on a wet track very good time very good sectional, dont agree with the loner being streched for stamina comments ive never thought that myself ,  but maybe ive not paid her my full attention trainer seems to be so unlucky in finals i tend not to back his runners

dartnell had a  eyecatcher at monmore but it got a  bad draws in final so i wouldnt write that off at  a big price

Woody you have gone down in opinion perky faster than loner stop with this propaganda everyone knows or should know loner is the fastest bitch in the world

get betfair to put a match bet up il back loner from when it goes up to day comp start
if i lose good luck to the perky backers

however i hope perky dont win due to owners comments at notts

lool you gotta laugh at the perky knockers on here, dont get me wrong i think loner is a cracking bitch but has everybody forgot perky beat loner 10 lenths when winning the oaks final last year,she also won the select stakes, anybody remind what loner has won??? like i said im not knocking loner but imo shes gotta lot to do to reach what perkys done,alright she been off a while and i havnt a clue whats wrong with her and she may never return the bitch she was which was simply class

Seems Perky had season suppressed. Didnt fire in Derby, where Loner did better but tad lack of stamina that one's undoing there. Perky been gritty in some races rather her capable magnificance but the one for me if fit and well in time

for me got fed up with loner not getting home at wimbo derby time
but that was with boys, own sex may be diffent prospect the bitch runner up to her twice at monmore was flying past her 10 yards after the line!
Still got 4 weeks to go a age in dog racing

Forgot, 1st rd clashes with Night of Stars and already booked flight for that. May go down to "the smokes" for the Quarters, the following Saturday and take the missus sight-seeing on the Sunday, cheers!

woody im in dublin fri sat for night of stars see you at the track going horse racing sat day then dogs on night should be a cracking day wear that man city cap il buy u a pint

woody im stopping in centre where you stopping irishones?

Whistle-stop visit. Arrive Saturday afternoon and first flight back early hours Sunday morning. Lost my City cap somewhere Pairs, but i'll put my CK (Calvin Klein) cap on, wear one in case of rain. Usually stand near 525yds start. Cheers!

Glad didnt back Silverview Perky, now Lister has said she wont be ready in time.

With the reigning champion sidelined, firmly in the Bridge Ruth camp now. Unlike Droopys Loner, Ruth is set to stay Wimbledon's 480m at top pace, judged on Hove form. Meanwhile, not so sure Airforce Diva's style will be as suitable to the Plough Lane circuit as places like Hove and Shelbourne.

Had some 5/1 Ruth anyway. She runs at Hove tonight and if she beats the dogs again, could be nibbled at once more.

My other play is 20/1 Bansha Mo. She looked every bit as good as Lemon Velvet in the heats of the Yorkshire Oaks at Sheffield on Tuesday and that's only 14/1. Besides, Bansha a shade faster than Velvet early, imo, a good point for Wimbledon and if showing consistency, could go all the way

Skate On for me now with the McNairs

Tom big fan of skate on .woody stop it anymore talking down loner you will be cart off to the funny farm

Flappy, Loner is one of my favourite bitches and i was one of the first to spot her in last year's competition and follow her. She ran great in the Derby and most unlucky not to reach the final. However, her best ever time round Plough Lane is only 28.60 odd, of which, i expect Bridge Ruth to run quicker, thats all. I would have money on Loner being in the final but may find one or two too good as she has done before round Wimbledon.

Good luck!

imo i think ruth the faster on the bunny bitch, but if asked who is more likely to make the final i would side with loner.

Bansha Mo comfortably beat Lemon Velvet in the final of the Yorkshire Oaks at Sheffield last night

Should find out how good thet are on thurs

Think u mean we have a great bitchs
Race on Thursday at wimbo
Ruth,loner,diva locking horns

Anyone seen wimbo trial sheets this weekend
A few good bitchs having a look well
looking at the times and going walking pace both nights can anyone shad any light?
have they got the going wrong -20 ? Not - 30 or 40?

Just two bets Antepost

Areo joker 100/1 ew
Airfroce Allstars 66/1 ew

bet molly and bridge ruth outright.

tonight i like seals babe at 11/2, heats my lady in the first and droopys hope is big at 11/10. however, last night nothing outside in 5 or 6 won ( i dont think). i know its a railer but ultimately it is drawn 6, with a poor drawn and bias concerns i cant take evens. if it gets 6/4 ish on the machine later with wides not really lifting a leg i may chance it.

think Ruth at 4/5 is a good bet tonight, is different class to the rest over 4 bends in race.

Good luck tonight Addy

Trap 1 in both 830 and 9pm, value prices

Well done tonight Addy; great run from Molly again tonight

bridge ruth

wd addy

nice run 28.88 looking at the other times.

only watched ruths race
just seen molly won
vwd addy  g/l

Congratulations Addy, well pleased for you

Well done addy great little bitch gl

Well done Molly loves the don

And hope all goes  well with Mrs Addy

thanks lads, over the moon with it although havent seen the race - tried to get the wife to hold on with all sorts of contractions but had to get up the hospital, left literally 10 minutes before molly race. back now, bit of shut eye, back up there first thing in the morning for round 2, stubborn little blighter wont come out

tough enough draw next race though, suppose 3 going through is the saving grace and if we do go through some decent animals got to go out. 4 winners in the race i think.

Tell her if she don't hurry up, you will lock Richard Birch in the room for 24 hours of stories

do you think Birchy has a story about when he gave birth, and he took a massive price on it

Seems like Loner still not getting home at Wimbledon and said was going to back 10/1 Droopys Hope, who beat Loner on merit recently. However, with Dublin on the agenda didnt get round to the Hope bet. Still, much more hopeful of my original bet with Ruth now and gave a 40/1 shout to Pinky, who won her heat.

woody how would u price up droopys hope heat?

Dont like saying really Bookie coz get stick for opening my mouth too soon, just at the mention of a dog's name sometimes.

I will say, looks a 2-dog race to me, with Hope a strong fav. If breaking like the heats, should be in front of and avoid a knock off Molly in the early stages and i fancy her very strongly to catch Skate. I reckon maybe around 4/6 Hope and 9/4 Skate. Think you could get most prices youre looking for about the others, oops, husha my mouth!

Looking forward most to the Loner/Ruth clash though. Think it will be much closer this time, than when they last met, in front of the Sky cameras.

chunks of early in this race woody, odds on droopys hope in 4 with 4 heat winners in the field looks very very skinny.

It does Addy and maybe i've underestimated your Molly slightly but Hope in the form of her life and priced-up from the class point of view. A line through Loner (who outpointed Skate at Vue) gives her the clear edge. Not saying you may not get 8/11 odd on or thereabouts on here, but i think 4/6 could be a reasonable sp guide, but that's just my opinion. If what youre saying is right, maybe you get some levels-you-devils on here

not so much molly when i just looked at the race, put her in a 9/2 chance, and i couldnt say i fancied anything specifically, but there is just stacks of early on hopes inner. i like a hope a lot as a dog and i think outright she has a great chance but she will have to do everything right at the boxes and fly out as anything 1-5 could lead. regardless of how good she is, think there are enough concerns with her draw and quality of race to say she shouldnt be odds on.

just think there is a very real chance hope doesnt make the bend with a clear thats all, if she does she probably wins.

Addy, you say Hope has to do everything right at the boxes, but i'm not so sure. She didnt when beating Loner and i dont see any Loner in this line up. Only trouble not qualifying, i think, is if your Molly whacks her. To be honest, i really dont rate Barbie or Sherrys too highly. Appreciate your opinion though, so maybe 4/5?

we'll see and look for prices :-)

difference when she beat loner is she had rails and loner was always going to take bridge ruths ground. diva didnt run too well and wallis said both his would come on for the run. there was no immediate pressure on hope at the boxes or on the run up. this race i think hope has a lot of early to clear to get to the rails. barbie and sherrys arent good enough to beat hope in a clean run 4 bends but if one gets a ping and hope is only average away they might give hope a bump is all im saying. to play odds on i wouldnt want too many concerns, 4/6 hope id worry about the 4 box id worry about the early around it. you may well be right price wise, and if you are i'll be laying thats all, good luck anyway with whatever you do.

Thanks Addy but not betting in the race unless you wanna give me 2/1 Hope?

Oh, and dont think Barbie nor Sherrys will ping either

if hope is 2/1 id be betting her myself

Cheers for ur thoughts woody, i really like this hope and I do think she is the class dog in race, but I can just see agg! All got early and middle, so it's whoever traps for me, I thought Molly ran very well, it's a good comp

I've had a fair bet on hope at 10/1 hills, but if hope is odds on or even a litte odds on will be layin to get abit of stake back

I mean odds against

The terminology of laying odds on or odds against confuses me too sometimes Danny. Think if you lay at 1/2 instead of 2/1 your liability would be less. Price doesnt matter as long as it gets beat though, you would still only win your stake no matter what the price. Have i got that correct?

Let's say you want to lay to win £100

£100 @ 2/1 - your liability = £200

£100 @ 1/2 - your liability = £50


that's without bringing commission into it

Thanks PF, thought so. Point i was trying to make was price dont affect your winnings if your correct predicting a loser. It's if it wins you have to fork out coz of the bigger liability at the bigger odds?

Still wrapping my head around some things like this. Never been, nor would like to be, a bookie, it's alien to me, being no good with numbers. You can count all the bets ive ever laid on the fingers of your right hand

Ok well I have hope Antepost at a massive 10/1, my view is reaches the final  and lay off! But hopes heat looks like it cud be agg, so I will have to lay abit off now!

Okay Danny but if Hope 9/2 to back, what price to lay? By the very dynamics of the exchanges, its always bigger, so youre in effect backing against yourself at worse than current odds?

Il will lay off hope on its heat price be about 6/4 I rekon

Sorry Danny, i know im just a simple tongue-tied Mancunian but what if you do as you say and lay Hope in the semis, she wins so you lose. Even though she's in the final then, say she loses there, doesnt that mean youve lost twice?

Hi woody, don't forget I got 10/1. So if in final will be short price, so I can still lay abit off and still be in profit ;)

Draw for semis:

1 Skate
2 Tilly
3 Ruth
4 Velvet
5 Sherrys
6 Hope

1 Forest
2 Scramble
3 Dot
4 Loner
5 Triangle
6 Cavan

Two very good semi finals

tricky draw for Hope

well dpne woody about the hope and skate on being a 2 dog race and their prices.............one summer does not a summer make though

There good but only one loner bring home the gravey  .

Loner is a red lol

I'd swop Ruth for Loner but Hope a big threat and kicking mi sen didnt go in at 10/1, as intended. Loner easier semi but should be a tremendous final

No danger booooom

Xmas on hold gone massifff on loner (way would you not ) a/p nice little jog tonight then 2 in final happy days  . So it's iPads or jigsaws gl

gone in again bridge ruth at 8s think there is stacks of juice in that price, definitely think she can improve for recent sighters and definitely think wallis can get a smash break out of her as well. if she goes through tonight chances are a big gun dont qualify and she will be far shorter in the final

played loner this week at 11/4

hoping wins semi easy and summit high up in betting goes out
in other semi

Funny I think Hope is a good thing, absolutely love the b1tch and think she can make waves in The DErby next year.

GL

Not in love with red but happy with the skate on in 5 out the way  . Win lose or draw love the loner may even go to the **** hole gl all booooom

Loner looking good Flappy, as you said right from the start. Trip was a problem in th Derby but thought she could last better against her own s*x.

Still think Hope a major threat though.

Mentioned on another thread Velvet kept sneaking through, interesting and last night was the time to back her at 10/1, coz she was only 16/1 outright

Cannot believe that Hope isnt at least jf with Loner. Loner probably wont break from red and theres enough pace to worry her, especially if needing to use her energy to pace up and make the corner in front. Hope gets a dream round the outside and picks the lot of em up. I think 2-1 is amazing value.

Dont tell Flappy that!

Arrrr just watch her gooooooo if carlsberg did bitches

I've backed Lemon Velvet at 14/1 ante post (apologies for the after-timing). She was a bit 'ordinary' in the first 2 rounds but that semi win was hugely impressive - Skate On squeezed her out at the 3rd bend and probably cost her a couple of lengths. It was interesting to note that she held her advantage over Droopys Hope all the way to the pick-up, whilst Skate On faded away. The 9/2 on offer for the final looks huge, but I guess that is based on her draw. She'll need to lead 2 & 3 and avoid Skate On cutting across her. I'm confident that she can win if she gets a clear run, but appreciate there's an 'if' in that statement.

Stop it no more this can win that can win you are playing for second long live the LONER

I've had the max on Hope.

When she beat Loner in the trial stakes, she went from red to the outer. I know LOner needed it and I do like the b1tch a lot, but they couldnt have given HOpe a better go at it. Turning 3rd down the back will do, and I can see that being her worst posi. Loner will probably pace up well enough to get inside Lemon and Skate but she'll need rear view mirrors.

No complaints if any of them win really and certainly not Loner but the prices should be closer together in my view.

By the way, does anyone know of any other hound that won a decent event drawn red sticking to rails, and then won another preferring stripes and running m-w just months later?

GL

no because we havent won anything but i know molly used to favour rails, one vid of her in harolds cross got her from 6 going violently rails and thats how she was early days, now i prefer her in 6 i think she tends to break better there although i do accept she is more mid-wide than bang wide.

How many win from off the Pace in finals over 4 bends  but if the unthinkable should happen I would be chuffed for rab gl all you gunner need it

lol.

good banter

addy, have known a few that were seeded 'wrong' in Ireland and progressed through better draws here but I cant recall one that wanted rails, and the didnt, and actually got better

Loads of dogs seeded wrong over here, just got to use it to your advantage. Was one recently in particular that was seeded (w) in the National Puppy Stake yet was moving straight rails every night, they took his seeding off last week for a one off race he got 1 and done 28.40odd, dog is bang rails, could not understand how they had him seeded (w)

Good luck you merry man on loner ante post
you've beat the bookies price, but if your like me and think **** me that draw is rather pee.
so find your Xmas stash and smash it on rabs little flash in five!

I had a lamp on loner from red derby time I hate that box!
I like stake on I email some firms befor the oaks too get her price
But they made no mistskes putting her in at 10/1 I didn't think that was much value
but now in final at 8/1 think she worth a little bet !


think its a good final and u could find a case for all