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These certainly are exciting times for the O’Flynn kennels in Tullaroan. On Saturday night they toasted classic glory as Milldean Tally won the Sporting Press Irish Oaks at Shelbourne.
Then next Saturday the kennel “star” Milldean Panther (pic right) will take his first comeback step when he has a trial at the same venue.
Despite it all, John O’Flynn Snr was as cool as a cucumber when I spoke with him yesterday and he outlined the future plans for the kennel’s superstars.
“I honestly don’t know what we are doing with the bitch. We are still savouring our sin on Saturday. She ran so well and now she’s going to have a break as she has been on the go for eight weeks.
“To be honest I’d be half tempted not to race her again but I know the owners will want her to race and I suppose we will have to consider the Derby. After that I don’t know but the Night of Stars Bitch race at the end of the year would have to be in our minds with the huge money on offer”.
While Tally is having a few quiet weeks and basking in her new role of “Queen of the Track”, her illustrious kennel companion Milldean Panther is reported ready for a return to the track.
He hasn’t raced since April 21st when he won the Formula One Grand Prix final at Curraheen Park in 28.24 after walking out of traps and giving all his rivals a big start. He has since been treated for a back problem but O’Flynn Snr reports that he is in “great form and ready to go. We plan to give him a trial on Saturday night and if everything goes right there, which it should, we will then give him a trial around Dundalk in preparation for the **** International. That would set him up nicely for the Irish Derby”.
Meanwhile, John Jnr can celebrate his new status as a classic winning trainer. He has done a mighty job with his bitch which was originally bought as a potential stayer after some fine performances around Harold’s Cross when known as Tallys Girl. I have little doubt that she could be a huge player over longer distances but I doubt if we will see her in that role.
Phil Gough yesterday reported that Sparta Maestro was slightly the worse for wear following his surprise exit from the ECC Timber 550 at Shelbourne on Saturday.
However the encouraging news is that he expects the dog to be back in full fitness within two weeks.
Speaking yesterday morning, Gough said: “I knew there was something amiss when he took a step to the inside on breaking and he never really strode out properly. It was very obvious on Sunday morning that he was sore on a foot. He has a couple of minor problems but the major one is a sore pad on his foot. It was as if he had stepped on a stone and it was very sore but it should be okay in a week”.
The plan is now to give him two weeks off to allow him recover fully and then the Puppy Derby champion will bid for the Townviewfoods.com Champion Stakes at Shelbourne which is due to commence on Saturday, July 14th.
Then next Saturday the kennel “star” Milldean Panther (pic right) will take his first comeback step when he has a trial at the same venue.
Despite it all, John O’Flynn Snr was as cool as a cucumber when I spoke with him yesterday and he outlined the future plans for the kennel’s superstars.
“I honestly don’t know what we are doing with the bitch. We are still savouring our sin on Saturday. She ran so well and now she’s going to have a break as she has been on the go for eight weeks.
“To be honest I’d be half tempted not to race her again but I know the owners will want her to race and I suppose we will have to consider the Derby. After that I don’t know but the Night of Stars Bitch race at the end of the year would have to be in our minds with the huge money on offer”.
While Tally is having a few quiet weeks and basking in her new role of “Queen of the Track”, her illustrious kennel companion Milldean Panther is reported ready for a return to the track.
He hasn’t raced since April 21st when he won the Formula One Grand Prix final at Curraheen Park in 28.24 after walking out of traps and giving all his rivals a big start. He has since been treated for a back problem but O’Flynn Snr reports that he is in “great form and ready to go. We plan to give him a trial on Saturday night and if everything goes right there, which it should, we will then give him a trial around Dundalk in preparation for the **** International. That would set him up nicely for the Irish Derby”.
Meanwhile, John Jnr can celebrate his new status as a classic winning trainer. He has done a mighty job with his bitch which was originally bought as a potential stayer after some fine performances around Harold’s Cross when known as Tallys Girl. I have little doubt that she could be a huge player over longer distances but I doubt if we will see her in that role.
Phil Gough yesterday reported that Sparta Maestro was slightly the worse for wear following his surprise exit from the ECC Timber 550 at Shelbourne on Saturday.
However the encouraging news is that he expects the dog to be back in full fitness within two weeks.
Speaking yesterday morning, Gough said: “I knew there was something amiss when he took a step to the inside on breaking and he never really strode out properly. It was very obvious on Sunday morning that he was sore on a foot. He has a couple of minor problems but the major one is a sore pad on his foot. It was as if he had stepped on a stone and it was very sore but it should be okay in a week”.
The plan is now to give him two weeks off to allow him recover fully and then the Puppy Derby champion will bid for the Townviewfoods.com Champion Stakes at Shelbourne which is due to commence on Saturday, July 14th.
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Hope your right wood but i think imp will turn 2nd .
if the white pulls the blue and the black around it will be interesting down the back.i wish the 2 of them were in each others traps! the red could get an absolute dream run around the inside.
how wrong can you be, Bugatti dis everything expected to the 2nd bend, then absolutely nil. can't explain. cheers.
points. can't figure out what you mean, only thing I can see, stride getting shorter the further it went. cheers.
I'm scared stiff to put up how I think the final will be run, I can only see Puma or George winning, if Puma doesn't clear George by the 2nd or even halfway, it will never beat it, bet George ew this morning, hoping Puma wins with George running 2nd. cheers.
Hope youre right Bairn. Dont want Cougar or Camas. Puma's flying now and should tail Cougar, then pick him up. Would be nice, but cant see George getting into it. More likely Sugar Ray breaks, then it's game on! Holding on to the slight prospect Imp leads, trouble behind and holds on 
dont you think even if imp does come away it runs to its right to the first bend? could be plenty room for sugar ray to get going. my head is starting to hurt!!
Coolykereen Imp has gone up dead straight from 4 on the occasions he has been that far out and runs the bend better too from drawn out. I think the draw has worked out well for him with Sugar Ray and Cougar moving rails inside him and Camas staying wide outside him, however his only real hope seems to be leading and trouble on the inside but even if that happens it sets it up for Camas who would also avoid it.
Something must surely get clear, dont mind as long as it's not Cougar beyond recall
cougar a cert to be 2 to 3 up by first on a fast track which also looks a cert he will do at least 29.50 it will take a 29.25 run to come from behind get on 3 agreat price
ok here goes.cougar leads.sugar goes up second and squeezes just infront of puma going into the bend.sets off after cougar and picks him up off the last bend.wins going away.george gets a solo around the inside but just gets pipped by puma for second.simples.
The entire Derby final card is now up but no sprint this year - What price Cuil Cougar to lead to the opening bend?
I think a certain firm might be pricing up which dog records the fastest sectional in the big one
I think a certain firm might be pricing up which dog records the fastest sectional in the big one
surely it will only take a 29.49 run to come from behind and beat the 29.50 dog?
u dont understand dogs. to come from behind a dog doing 29.50 it needs to be running 29.25 pace i dont think any dog in the final is capable of coming from behind a dog doing 29.50
Puma and Suger ray are with a clear run..no question. ..but it would have to be a trouble free run...not likely to happen... i also think that cougar best run is around 29.60 so a 29.35 run would catch couger' IF HE LEADS] A fascinating final
few years back ginger dog got away only to be pulled back by we know who!
the 3 will lead will need somethink benhind to go wrong in which case the dark dog of the final is camas!!
he's not run up anythink as good early rounds but the trainer could get him out to go round handy!!
Great final with all sorts of ways it could be played out !
the 3 will lead will need somethink benhind to go wrong in which case the dark dog of the final is camas!!
he's not run up anythink as good early rounds but the trainer could get him out to go round handy!!
Great final with all sorts of ways it could be played out !
It does not take a 29.25 run if the dog gets a clear.
If Cougar leads and Camas comes from behind him, his running style will not have been compromised in the slightest despite being behind. Camas will not do that sort of clock but can do around the 29.50 mark alright.
It all depends on the extent to which the dog behind is compromised without necessarily being baulked.
If Cougar leads and Camas comes from behind him, his running style will not have been compromised in the slightest despite being behind. Camas will not do that sort of clock but can do around the 29.50 mark alright.
It all depends on the extent to which the dog behind is compromised without necessarily being baulked.
why are people going on about times after 6 weeks of racing not many greyhounds go into finals do magic times might happen now or than but not often!
agree with the fellow above.most years i have been, something has popped out contrary to its previous runnings.i still think sugar will suprise a few with his early in the final.opinions opinions opinions.......
Anybody like to hazard a guess what price Cuil Cougar is to lead i.e. as in fastest sectional? - There's gonna be betting on this
wont lead up.save your dosh! right lads bag packed,pop bottles cashed in,all set for take off tomorrow morning.i have everything i need bar one thing.....winners.any chance you local lads point me in the right direction? especially at harolds tomorrow night.dont want much,just a nap and nb each night will do.i aint greedy.any prices up yet?
Seen what i fancy for Saturday, some expected decent prices but waiting for betting. Looking like Warhawk (NAP) and Future Boy (NB) though. Think will give Tynwald Bolt another chance against odds-on Maestro. Fancy Vic, Apollo, Rankin, it's the minor races the bigger prices. If all goes pear-shaped, trying to get out on Martinstown Snow. Always liked the dog and think Tibetan could be too short
Who has the Shelbourne card priced up for Saturday??
sorry seen you said you're waiting for betting
Not surprised Rankin is a NR. Didn't fancy him in the slightest from 6 in that race. Will anyone price up the supporting races as they are not on SIS/Sky?
Done myself an sp guide PF, just going off that. If Rankin NR, could be between speedsters Knockglass Billy and Town Ruffian
Just misread your post, i'd say 365 and maybe spoils may price up tomorrow evening and then the rest may follow Saturday morning
mildeam panther 200 (put on 9 months ago
captain america 35ew
jayfkay 20ew
jet 195
and just found out i cant even finish in top 10 in the comp was counting on the 20 euro 3rd
considering backing puma in final impressed me with pace off 2nd bend in semis but then thinking this years irish derby is not my year, fancy a big lay on warhawk cant see him getting home myself and a few bets on the undercard on dogs that could of ended up fav if got into final, good luck to all concern in final and dont drink all the guiness im over 1st dec cant wait
captain america 35ew
jayfkay 20ew
jet 195
and just found out i cant even finish in top 10 in the comp was counting on the 20 euro 3rd
considering backing puma in final impressed me with pace off 2nd bend in semis but then thinking this years irish derby is not my year, fancy a big lay on warhawk cant see him getting home myself and a few bets on the undercard on dogs that could of ended up fav if got into final, good luck to all concern in final and dont drink all the guiness im over 1st dec cant wait
Yes
Race 8: Newlawn Tock NR, no reserve runs
Race 11: Confident Rankin replaced by Mahogany Boy (w)
Race 8: Newlawn Tock NR, no reserve runs
Race 11: Confident Rankin replaced by Mahogany Boy (w)
I was in p.power today and there are giving money back if you dog finishes 2nd to skywalker puma. NOT BAD.
Bitterly disappointed with no prices Ladbrokes and Paddy Power. Fair play to 365, fine for small punter like me and at least best odds guaranteed, so gone with them to save *arsing around phoning England from Ireland.
Apart from well chronicled Derby and Plate, mainly looking for wins for Warhawk, Future Boy, Vic, Apollo and Snow.
Lost my City baseball cap, so will be wearing my tatty reserve England cap instead, just on the off chance of rain. Hope to see some of you there!
PS, got a plane to catch now
Apart from well chronicled Derby and Plate, mainly looking for wins for Warhawk, Future Boy, Vic, Apollo and Snow.
Lost my City baseball cap, so will be wearing my tatty reserve England cap instead, just on the off chance of rain. Hope to see some of you there!
PS, got a plane to catch now
ladbrokes have been a shower all derby
365 are good for going up but auto put some money in to the sport and have a big comp to here name being as they are the biggest firm!
surly paddy and that other Irish shower auto price up later?
Droopys jet 9/4 only bet!
365 are good for going up but auto put some money in to the sport and have a big comp to here name being as they are the biggest firm!
surly paddy and that other Irish shower auto price up later?
Droopys jet 9/4 only bet!
took 12/1 rover think its been running well
vic could **** up but very untidy at the traps and he 1/4 final run was poor
Jet as rails 9/4 is a price but ROVER can do them
vic could **** up but very untidy at the traps and he 1/4 final run was poor
Jet as rails 9/4 is a price but ROVER can do them
Theres a few heads that fancy Camas as a good outsider..he is best price at 12/1 with PP..if he is 2nd to puma money back i might throw a few euros on him.
What a card, cannot wait for tonight. Played a few of them off course.
Race 2:: Allen Master @ 7/4 + 6/4 (Think he is absolutely plotted up, wants rails and has them. A decent exit and he leads them up and if going around he should not be getting picked up.)
Race 3:: Howling Wind @ 12/1 (Will he stay? I don't know but if he repeats his 550y and 575y runs around here he will go a mile clear and i have a suspicion he may get home, i think he'd get 750y anyway. The long run to the bend should give him the chance to get to the front and hopefully he builds up a huge advantage.)
Race 5:: Solo Star @ 7/2 (If she comes away here she could be gone. The draw is good as long as she don't make a mess of the start as she should clear Shabby in 5 and have the mid to wide to herself. You'd have to worry about Diva getting a run with Patsy drawn outside her and Millie inside her and anyway she can't afford to make a mess of the start as she has done the last twice.)
Race 7:: Ruthless Man @ 7/1 (for the reasons i posted on the Plate thread)
Race 8:: Ballymac Vic @ 2/1 (Surprised he is so big. It's a brilliant race and i think the week off may swing it in his favour.)
Race 9:: Camas, Sugar Ray, Puma, George, Cougar, Imp (biggest winner to smallest winner)
Race 12:: Tynwald Bolt @ 5/1 + 7/2 (If Sparta Maestro comes away and goes around in front i think he could possibly go close to Late Late Show's clock but at the prices i'm against him. 3,4,5 and 6 are all either mid or wide so he will have to do it right to ensure he clears them run up. On the inside Charly has looked paceless early in his races around Shelbourne and this time i think Tynwald Bolt will get the rails early and lead on the fence, it's a worry that he eases into the bend but i can see him leading around tonight and it will take some effort from any dog to back run him.)
Race 13:: Noirs Buachaill @ 9/2 (I expect both Martinstown and Noirs to reverse form with Abbeyville as they should improve for their last runs. Will Tibetan Skies get a run? I thought Noirs Buachaill ran a blinder last week and would probably have won if getting a run at the 3rd and have just sided with him. Martinstown is a fair price too and if he went bigger i may play him too.)
Glorius warm sunny day today, holiday tomorrow and most improtant probably the best greyhound card i've ever seen. Can't wait!!!!
Race 2:: Allen Master @ 7/4 + 6/4 (Think he is absolutely plotted up, wants rails and has them. A decent exit and he leads them up and if going around he should not be getting picked up.)
Race 3:: Howling Wind @ 12/1 (Will he stay? I don't know but if he repeats his 550y and 575y runs around here he will go a mile clear and i have a suspicion he may get home, i think he'd get 750y anyway. The long run to the bend should give him the chance to get to the front and hopefully he builds up a huge advantage.)
Race 5:: Solo Star @ 7/2 (If she comes away here she could be gone. The draw is good as long as she don't make a mess of the start as she should clear Shabby in 5 and have the mid to wide to herself. You'd have to worry about Diva getting a run with Patsy drawn outside her and Millie inside her and anyway she can't afford to make a mess of the start as she has done the last twice.)
Race 7:: Ruthless Man @ 7/1 (for the reasons i posted on the Plate thread)
Race 8:: Ballymac Vic @ 2/1 (Surprised he is so big. It's a brilliant race and i think the week off may swing it in his favour.)
Race 9:: Camas, Sugar Ray, Puma, George, Cougar, Imp (biggest winner to smallest winner)
Race 12:: Tynwald Bolt @ 5/1 + 7/2 (If Sparta Maestro comes away and goes around in front i think he could possibly go close to Late Late Show's clock but at the prices i'm against him. 3,4,5 and 6 are all either mid or wide so he will have to do it right to ensure he clears them run up. On the inside Charly has looked paceless early in his races around Shelbourne and this time i think Tynwald Bolt will get the rails early and lead on the fence, it's a worry that he eases into the bend but i can see him leading around tonight and it will take some effort from any dog to back run him.)
Race 13:: Noirs Buachaill @ 9/2 (I expect both Martinstown and Noirs to reverse form with Abbeyville as they should improve for their last runs. Will Tibetan Skies get a run? I thought Noirs Buachaill ran a blinder last week and would probably have won if getting a run at the 3rd and have just sided with him. Martinstown is a fair price too and if he went bigger i may play him too.)
Glorius warm sunny day today, holiday tomorrow and most improtant probably the best greyhound card i've ever seen. Can't wait!!!!
Race 12:: Granard Bound @ 33/1 (?? don't really fancy him but had to chuck something at that price)
Powers' Irish Derby final specials
Greyhound With The Fastest Sectional
Cuil Cougar (Trap 3) - 8/13
Coolykereen Imp (Trap 5) - 11/4
Camas (Trap 6) - 7/1
Tyrur Sugar Ray (Trap 4) - 7/1
Razldazl George (Trap 1) - 8/1
Skywalker Puma (Trap 2) - 25/1
Each way odds » 1/4 Places 1,2
Betting Without Skywalker Puma
Cuil Cougar (Trap 3) - 13/8
Razldazl George (Trap 1 - )11/4
Tyrur Sugar Ray (Trap 4) - 11/4
Coolykereen Imp (Trap 5) - 6/1
Camas (Trap 6) - 6/1
Each way odds » 1/4 Places 1,2
Odds v Even Traps
Trap 1,3,5 - 5/6
Traps 2,4,6 - 5/6
Which greyhound will finish last
Coolykereen Imp (Trap 5) - 11/8
Camas (Trap 6) - 2/1
Cuil Cougar (Trap 3) - 5/1
Razldazl George (Trap 1) - 6/1
Tyrur Sugar Ray (Trap 4) - 7/1
Skywalker Puma (Trap 2) - 14/1
Inside v Outside Traps
Traps 1,2 and 3 - 1/3
Traps 4,5 and 6 - 9/4
Dolores Ruth to train the 1st & 2nd in any order - 10/1
Winning Distance
Over 2 lenghts - evens
1-2 lenghts Inclusive - 9/4
less than 1 lenghts - 9/4
Greyhound With The Fastest Sectional
Cuil Cougar (Trap 3) - 8/13
Coolykereen Imp (Trap 5) - 11/4
Camas (Trap 6) - 7/1
Tyrur Sugar Ray (Trap 4) - 7/1
Razldazl George (Trap 1) - 8/1
Skywalker Puma (Trap 2) - 25/1
Each way odds » 1/4 Places 1,2
Betting Without Skywalker Puma
Cuil Cougar (Trap 3) - 13/8
Razldazl George (Trap 1 - )11/4
Tyrur Sugar Ray (Trap 4) - 11/4
Coolykereen Imp (Trap 5) - 6/1
Camas (Trap 6) - 6/1
Each way odds » 1/4 Places 1,2
Odds v Even Traps
Trap 1,3,5 - 5/6
Traps 2,4,6 - 5/6
Which greyhound will finish last
Coolykereen Imp (Trap 5) - 11/8
Camas (Trap 6) - 2/1
Cuil Cougar (Trap 3) - 5/1
Razldazl George (Trap 1) - 6/1
Tyrur Sugar Ray (Trap 4) - 7/1
Skywalker Puma (Trap 2) - 14/1
Inside v Outside Traps
Traps 1,2 and 3 - 1/3
Traps 4,5 and 6 - 9/4
Dolores Ruth to train the 1st & 2nd in any order - 10/1
Winning Distance
Over 2 lenghts - evens
1-2 lenghts Inclusive - 9/4
less than 1 lenghts - 9/4
Thought rover was little unlucky there at 12/1
Think he and jet rub together vic got away great race!
Think he and jet rub together vic got away great race!
Rte they where talking said (WARHAWK ALMOST AS GOOD AS MILDEAN? )
I know what dog I go to war with!
I know what dog I go to war with!
Sugar Ray to rocket from traps tonight, lead off the second bend and clock 29.30 dead
Smashing run from Puma to pick up Cuil Cougar.
Very well done to all the connections.
Very well done to all the connections.
got a solo again not so close half length!
to another year great derby ! roll on wimbo
The key was that he didn't have to contest with sugar-ray early.
i run as quick as puma to get as close to that lad d ies girl on the rostram!!!
2/3/1 was to busy jumping around to see the others
what a run
what a run
1. Trap 2 SKYWALKER PUMA €120000.00 75 29.39 Sand 29.39 2/1 Chl 3,LdNrL
2. Trap 3 CUIL COUGAR €20000.00 75 29.39 nk Sand 29.41 3/1 EP,HdNrL
3. Trap 1 RAZLDAZL GEORGE €10000.00 75 29.39 3.5L Sand 29.65 9/2 FAw,ClrRn
4. Trap 5 COOLYKEREEN IMP €5000.00 74 29.39 0.75L Sand 29.71 10/1 FAw,FdRi
5. Trap 4 TYRUR SUGAR RAY €5000.00 71 29.39 1L Sand 29.78 7/2 SlAw,RlRu
6. Trap 6 CAMAS €5000.00 71 29.39 nk Sand 29.80 8/1 SlAw,Bmp 3
2. Trap 3 CUIL COUGAR €20000.00 75 29.39 nk Sand 29.41 3/1 EP,HdNrL
3. Trap 1 RAZLDAZL GEORGE €10000.00 75 29.39 3.5L Sand 29.65 9/2 FAw,ClrRn
4. Trap 5 COOLYKEREEN IMP €5000.00 74 29.39 0.75L Sand 29.71 10/1 FAw,FdRi
5. Trap 4 TYRUR SUGAR RAY €5000.00 71 29.39 1L Sand 29.78 7/2 SlAw,RlRu
6. Trap 6 CAMAS €5000.00 71 29.39 nk Sand 29.80 8/1 SlAw,Bmp 3
All that crap them lads where going on about times ?
can't be pick up if it's a 29.50 dog well 29.40 dog got picked up by a train!
can't be pick up if it's a 29.50 dog well 29.40 dog got picked up by a train!
Late Late Show track record is indeed lowered.
32.10 from Sparta
32.10 from Sparta
Race 12 - Follow Us On Twitter on LadbrokesIE Open 600 (Grade : AA0) Flat 600
Pos. Trap Greyhound Prize Wt. Win Time By Going Est
Time SP. Grade Comm.
1. Trap 6 SPARTA MAESTRO €1500.00 77 32.10 Sand 32.10 4/7 AA0 FAw,Trec
2. Trap 5 CROSSFIELD STAR €250.00 79 32.10 Sand 32.73 4/1 AA0 FAw,DH
2. Trap 3 GRANARD BOUND €250.00 73 32.10 9L Sand 32.73 14/1 AA0 EvAw,DH
4. Trap 2 TYNWALD BOLT €0.00 78 32.10 1.5L Sand 32.83 5/2 A0 EvAw,Ck 1
5. Trap 1 HEADLEYS CHARLY €0.00 79 32.10 2.5L Sand 33.01 20/1 A1 SlAw,NvShw
6. Trap 4 FRIDAYS SCOLARI €0.00 73 32.10 nk Sand 33.03 14/1 A1 EvAw,NvShw
Pos. Trap Greyhound Prize Wt. Win Time By Going Est
Time SP. Grade Comm.
1. Trap 6 SPARTA MAESTRO €1500.00 77 32.10 Sand 32.10 4/7 AA0 FAw,Trec
2. Trap 5 CROSSFIELD STAR €250.00 79 32.10 Sand 32.73 4/1 AA0 FAw,DH
2. Trap 3 GRANARD BOUND €250.00 73 32.10 9L Sand 32.73 14/1 AA0 EvAw,DH
4. Trap 2 TYNWALD BOLT €0.00 78 32.10 1.5L Sand 32.83 5/2 A0 EvAw,Ck 1
5. Trap 1 HEADLEYS CHARLY €0.00 79 32.10 2.5L Sand 33.01 20/1 A1 SlAw,NvShw
6. Trap 4 FRIDAYS SCOLARI €0.00 73 32.10 nk Sand 33.03 14/1 A1 EvAw,NvShw
I would like to point out that I was first to question how much time was needed to catch a dog 
it was a great run from Puma, College Causewayesque! I wasn't sure he got it until it was called out for the thrid time over the tannoy. I was sure he said "result: two, two..." the eventual photo showed a clear win!!
Great run Warhawk. Spoke to Barrie before the meeting and asked if red was his vest. He said as long as he pings and wow, he did, 11.5 lengths! Eden's fine nothing suitable. Barrie didnt fancy quick runs at Yarmouth. Probably go for Laurels.
Future Boy could reproduce trial form, disappointing for my money with his clear run.
North Bound deserved to win the Plate. God fluffed it.
Very pleased with Ballymac Vic. Would surely have been a major force in the big one.
Puma was my 3rd worst result in the Derby but he's improved tremendously since the Quarters whereas Sugar seems to have gone backwards. Wanted him, Imp or George really.
Pleased with Knockglass Billy but Matinstown Snow a shade unlucky.
Final word for Sparta Maestro. Broke Late Late Show's track record, awesome!
Future Boy could reproduce trial form, disappointing for my money with his clear run.
North Bound deserved to win the Plate. God fluffed it.
Very pleased with Ballymac Vic. Would surely have been a major force in the big one.
Puma was my 3rd worst result in the Derby but he's improved tremendously since the Quarters whereas Sugar seems to have gone backwards. Wanted him, Imp or George really.
Pleased with Knockglass Billy but Matinstown Snow a shade unlucky.
Final word for Sparta Maestro. Broke Late Late Show's track record, awesome!
sugar ray didn't go backwards, he needed T1 and to lead.that's it really. I thought he ran well.
Dogs do 29.29 when everything goes right, not every night.
Dogs do 29.29 when everything goes right, not every night.
Abbeyville Tipp is a great dog! was that 4 in a row last night? Battles all the way and can take a knock!
Sorry Cast, i disagree. Sugar had his trap in the semis but 29.29 just seems to look more like a fluke to me. Take that away and his form isnt tremendously good
Youre entitled to your opinion and may think i'm crazy BJG but Sugar has had a flash in the pan. Until he can run faster consistently on overall form, i would be looking to other Derby type dogs in future, just my choice. Too draw dependant anyway. He may get red next time and fly round, but i wouldnt be totally sure. Maybe he's a bit of an inconsistent starter too. Put everything together and super-fast yes, but risky type, imo.
What was he formerly named anyway?
What was he formerly named anyway?
irishone 29 Aug 12 10:06
its just a matter of whether or not in the next two races
ray will miss a break or not get the rail, ( sooner or later ? ),
then that will be that at this level
Pity it was later
its just a matter of whether or not in the next two races
ray will miss a break or not get the rail, ( sooner or later ? ),
then that will be that at this level
Pity it was later
Thanks Irish, but not familiar with that name. Apart from costing me enough, i've nothing against the dog and wish him and connections well. Just that from a betting point of view, wont be rushing in again. Would be great for the sport if he could approach 29.29sec runs in future, but it just looks like an isolated oasis to me
Sorry Never Give Up, didnt mean to skip you. Wouldnt have a clue. Think Paddy Power have had a long connection with the Derby but from an early-price aspect, i'm all for Bet365 stomping up the prize money! 
Sep 11, 2012 -- 10:02PM, nineteen points wrote:
are labdrokes finnish?
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Good to see the back of them and they were only there to spend a separate Irish budget which they no longer have.
Powers unlikely to return and 365 have no interest in much expansion into the Irish market or sponsorsing Irish events.
Will betfair take it despite the dire liquidity during the 600 and the Derby?
Not easy to see who else there is as Red Mills and Gain probably get the exposure they need for their captive audience already.
Powers unlikely to return and 365 have no interest in much expansion into the Irish market or sponsorsing Irish events.
Will betfair take it despite the dire liquidity during the 600 and the Derby?
Not easy to see who else there is as Red Mills and Gain probably get the exposure they need for their captive audience already.
Just watched a replay there the sectionals are a bit iffy to say the least, are they taken at the 1st line or 2nd line? PF i know the angle is a bit deceiving but surely IMP is not .09 behind Cougar and level with Puma
Awkward angle caught me out many times. To the eye, Cougar may have been a length up on Imp but no way Puma was level with Imp, a good length behind at least. Having looked at the race again, what a race Puma has run. Knocked about several times early, yet still got up in a flying time, amazing!
It's not rocket science re Sugar Ray you facking div. He leads around again he is well capable of another run like that, leading around will be the problem though.
Aug 26th - Tyrur Sugar Ray drawn trap 1 with a dog in 2 that had been crawling to the bend, he leads around after making his best start of the comp and clocks 29.29
Sept 1st - Tyrur Sugar Ray again drawn trap 1 but the big difference this time is Cuil Cougar is in 2 and he has flying early pace and rails and there is no way Sugar Ray can lead him. He then got shocking trouble on the bend and was lucky to stay up.
Sept 8th - Tyrur Sugar Ray drawn trap 4, Cuil Cougar in 3 who he can't clear and get to the rails. Skywalker Puma moves off in front of him from 2 hampering him and taking his ground leaving him last into the bend. He then has to slightly check on the 2nd as he almost runs up Razldazl George's arse. He had no chance from there and clocks 29.78
Aug 26th - Tyrur Sugar Ray drawn trap 1 with a dog in 2 that had been crawling to the bend, he leads around after making his best start of the comp and clocks 29.29
Sept 1st - Tyrur Sugar Ray again drawn trap 1 but the big difference this time is Cuil Cougar is in 2 and he has flying early pace and rails and there is no way Sugar Ray can lead him. He then got shocking trouble on the bend and was lucky to stay up.
Sept 8th - Tyrur Sugar Ray drawn trap 4, Cuil Cougar in 3 who he can't clear and get to the rails. Skywalker Puma moves off in front of him from 2 hampering him and taking his ground leaving him last into the bend. He then has to slightly check on the 2nd as he almost runs up Razldazl George's arse. He had no chance from there and clocks 29.78
A must get red and must lead dog then, like i said, risky, you doinking div. Welcome back anyway, hope you had a nice time
He has to lead or turn on the tails of leaders if he is too clock anywhere near that time. I've been saying he is mad for the rails from the first time i seen him run Shelbourne, anyway the winner was class on the night, as Matt said months ago 'whatever beats my lad will win the Derby'.
Yes good time although lack of sleep now and horrid hangover really kicking in now
Yes good time although lack of sleep now and horrid hangover really kicking in now
Sound like you had a good time. All i was saying really is Sugar too draw dependant and think he will be frustrating when you know what he can do when all falls into place. I just cant see it happening very often. Have a pint of cold water, some anadin and get your head down mate
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