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The bookmakers betting at White City when it closed, here goes main ring right to left. Joe Norris rep by Philly Herring Ted Craze, John White Stanley Rep by Tom Allsop Sam Earl rep by Phil Earl. Gap Pat Whitmarsh, Alper, Tony Morris, Sid Hales rep Ronnie Hales and John Power mostly rep by Tom Jenkins.Cheap side right to left Alby Parsons think the name of the firm was I cant remember was it Sammy Davis Sid Fry rep by Horace Simmons Joe Clark and Chas Raymond. When i first went to White City Joe Bennett was also in that bay Gap Then Alf Nathan, Harold Crockford Morry Pincus was also in that bay i think. Gap Steve Griffen, Terry and son, Walter Prince Bubbles was in the last bay with Young Harry and another bookmaker whos name escapes me.
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Southwark Star: Thed name Josh Day seems to ring a bell with me
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WAG SHAW SEEMS TO RING A BELL.
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Mr.Memory
The clerk in the picture of Johnny White betting on Fordys tools was Plum. |
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Mad Ghost
There was a Len Day bet at Harringay but that was over sixty years ago. Sparrow,Izzy Farr,who used to do a card for Micheal Tabor at White City clerked for Johnny White at one time.A very nice man,Johnny Lyons at another time.Rocky clerked for old Johnny White as a boy.Needless clerked for him on odd occasions.I picked the book up and clerked one night when something happened to the light and dark but he was one of the few I ever worked for although I could tic tac and clerk,my father being a bookmaker I never worked for bookies. |
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whitmarsh
you are right about len day he also had a few betting shops around north london notably the one in fonthill road which mecca bookmakers/nagles bought off him. it would be nice if tom jenkins came on and told us some stories about his time as that would be very good reading |
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Whitmarsh- My father,who clerked for Johnny White at White City in the 1950s was called Izzy Samuels, do you by any chance recall him?
He also clerked for many others in his time such as the Hogan brothers Johnny and Patsy. I remember you telling me on the White City thread about the Hogan's. |
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Sparrow,I cant say I recall your father but I may have known him by sight.I remember Chick Bloom along with the Hogans he was with them the day Geoff Lewis rode a treble and they done a nice bit of money.John and Patsy screamed the place down and Chick never went with them any more.
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Whitmarsh- Thank you for your reply. Another person who worked for Johnny White on that firm was a floor man called Charlie Burton, who I remembered as a chain smoker who would light one cigarette with the end of the previous one!
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Sparrow,Youre right Charlie was always smoking last I knew after he worked for Siddy White who bet as Sid Terry was that he got a new flat off of Tottenham Court Rd.I dont know what become of him.
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Great days and thread remembered.
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Great thread Sparrow , I would say there was still 50 books
standing 70s - 80 s ? What you reckon |
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Derby night that is
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Case.......I think Mr Memory had it right in his posting.
Mr. Memory 06 Jun 11 12:16 "Mad dog".........It depends upon the date. When I first attended on Boxing Day 1952, there would be between 80 to a 100........maybe more. There were three rings...the Cheap Side which extende from the second to third bends,the Main Ring (Entrance 12/6d) & a Middle Ring which was split in two halves either side of the Main Ring (just like Wembley) There were four bookmakers in the Main Ring........Phil Earl, Manny King, Hector Macdonald & Ted Craze. By the 1970s, the numbers had shrunk.....John White, Tom Alsop (Stanley) had entered & I believe that Sid Hales took over Hectors pitch as he had been representing him for a few years. By the time that White City closed, I would imagine that there would be just over 40 there.........including Tony Morris, a late entry. |
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Ah I notice he didn't mention Derby night but surely in the 50s a 100+ and not many less in the 60s either.
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did berty battles make a book there pls let me know
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you can not call alper a book maker a punter wanted 60 on a 2/1 . said no alper dad said to him take it you w'''''''''''''''''k
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Alper haha! Yes always looked terrified when anyone approached him. Amazing thing was he let me have 20 x £50 Sullane Princess in the 1986 Oaks final (terrible
aftertiming I know !) Paid out with good grace. It was generally 16s so can only assume he had other liabilities. |
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lol did he go to the hospial devil
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Seemed to take it all quite well...had it all ready in crisp 50s IIRC. Like I said maybe he had a position on it. I knew the Peter Payne kennel quite well at the time and
that he could get one ready. Shot out made all and won by 4 lengths. |
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Harringay was my first intro to dog racing. The trumpet/bugle music 5 minutes before every race, the busy ring. Think it was the bookie DYER who had chalk on his lips ?
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come on pls tell us ur storys as life is going by .there are not to meny of us left
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