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TheMadGhost
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Here's my list, (my local track was White City):

2 bends: (weren't run)
4 bends: Cullen Boy (Joe Pickering)
6 bends: Pieces of Eight (Les Parry)
Hurdles: Peter's Hope (Gordon Hodson, I think)
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Report Mr. Memory January 11, 2011 8:57 PM GMT
Gordon Holt owned a dog called "Ashgrove Road". The dog won the J.H.Balfour Trophy at White City where it was later to win the "Springbok Hurdle"
I understand that it may have also won the Aldersdhot Derby....Gordon had a fine trophy that he always used to hide when the Stewards came to inspect his kennels.
"Ashgrove Road" was a Wembley dog & was terrific value over hurdles there, beating better dogs on a regular basis. Gordon maintained that the reason for this was the three hurdles in the long Wembley back straight (tracks normally had two)which caught out the visitors at the third......fallers galore.
Report Pre-Fat-Low-Fat-Foods January 11, 2011 9:06 PM GMT
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Report TheMadGhost January 11, 2011 9:08 PM GMT
Also had a useful litter brother called "Ashgrove Tric".  I seem to remember Ashgrove Road was tried over 6 bends and trained for a while at White City by, I believe, Joe Pickering.  Can't remember if he was susessful over 6 bends.
Report Mr. Memory January 11, 2011 10:03 PM GMT
"TheMadGhost".....I had an Ashgrove Road puppy (out of Super At Last) that won a couple of races at Portsmouth under Hugo Spencer.
Report TheMadGhost January 12, 2011 12:55 AM GMT
Mr Memory: "Super At Last" was this an ex White City stayer?  It rings a bell from somewhere.
Report FunLovinCriminal January 12, 2011 3:18 AM GMT
I thought Selby Bill was a very good hurdler.

How he didn't win the Sprinbok still drives me mad!

Gutted Cry
Report sparrow January 12, 2011 9:41 AM GMT
My memory is not so good as to remember the very best graders at my local track. I do though recall one particular debut at my local track Clapton which was a bottom grade race featuring mostly newcomers and was one narrowly by the 3/1 fav a certain Chittering Clapton.
I must confess to admit to being unimpressed by the youngster and could never in my wildest dreams have believed he would go on to win the Derby. Still old timers will also recall Tartan Khan!
Report irishone January 12, 2011 10:52 AM GMT
sorry i cant remember the name of this one about 15 years ago
there was a black and white bitch at wimbledon that was deaf
always lost at least 6 lengths at the start
great watching her go through the field and pick em off
reached a3/a4
Report Mister E January 12, 2011 11:42 AM GMT
Going back a bit but when I started Sherrys Prince was unbeatable.

I have liked a lot of them,

I remember Tommy Fosters think itwas Parktown Ranger used to fly around Crayford beat his own trsck record a few times.
Of the graders Blackwater Glory made a comeback at Crayford at the age of 8 and won, used to love him.

Here is  picture of Sherrys Prince

http://www.greyhound-data.com/photodb.php?land=all&letter=S&filter_sex=0&birthyear=196x&x=2
Report irishone January 12, 2011 6:26 PM GMT
there was one called SKINT AGAIN at wimbledon owned by a billy's odds compiler, only backed it once when it actually won .... but so appropriately named  Laugh
Report masked magician January 12, 2011 7:35 PM GMT
White City London,

mate said to me back this 'Tartan Khan' -graded race trained by Dave Kinchett.

got beat ..in a graded race!

mate said to me 'that dog will never win a race!'

went on to win the Greyhound Derby and St Leger.!!!

amazing but true!SillySilly
Report sparrow January 12, 2011 7:44 PM GMT
The story I heard about Tartan Khan was that the trainer told the owner to take it away as it was not good enough to win at White City!
Report TheMadGhost January 12, 2011 8:12 PM GMT
Yes Sparrow, "Tartan Khan" was asked to leave the track by the racing manager, via  trainer Dave Kinchett, I believe.  I and about six mates of mine had a large ante0post on "Sallys Cobbler" in the Derby Final and it trapped in front and led up when suddenly, the closest railer ever to run at White City ran off at the first bend.  This allowed the White City reject to slip through and grab the lead.  I thought the danger was "Myrtown", what do I know.  Still have nightmares.  In his next race, "Sallys Cobbler" was tried over 700 yards in the "Flying Four" at the old Crayford track and won & broke the clock.
Report Mister E January 15, 2011 10:42 PM GMT
other favourites going back were

Derry Palm

Sail Over
Report bookie 25 January 15, 2011 11:59 PM GMT
All Shawfield and all our own.

Srinter(Sewmuch Speed)
4 bends(Hanover Pine)
6 bends(Crack Of The Ash,Charlie Sprout,Hideaway Black,Winsome Emma)
8 bends(Mays Blossom,Sally Be Good,Culhane Trixie)

Speedy the sprinter was my own bred and reared,emma,sally and mays we bred too and we reared charlie sprout too.Happy times.
All ran in handicaps at some point although i think the best handicapper iv ever saw at shawfield would either be Crown Rover or Stay Please(derby finalist)
Best hurdler by far would be Its only fred.
Report TheMadGhost January 16, 2011 9:00 PM GMT
Thanks bookie25 nice to hear some old stalwarts mentioned.  This game isn't just about the open race stars but also the graders who give all every day.
Report hovekermit January 17, 2011 12:10 PM GMT
Time up Silver, Catford in the 70s and Surprising fella ,Catford who won the Gold Collar as a grader
Report clapton January 17, 2011 12:33 PM GMT
Going back to the Wick days.. there were a few graders who were so reliable when dropped in grade it was incredible.. a lowly grader called Red Suit every time they dropped it to A8 they gave it Trap 6 made it an even money chance and it won 5/6 lengths time after time.. same story with a good bitch there called Pillar Daisy, top heat there but every time they dropped her in grade.. bang out and gone at skinny odds... Many a time I went all in with them.
Report whitmarsh January 17, 2011 4:02 PM GMT
Clapton,Youre post put me in mind of a Hackney grader called Ma Doyle soon as she was given a chance she won.Ballyfolian Coal was a job dog at the Wick,only won when the readies were down.From a financial point of view I remember Ballybeg Story,Man Im Movin(trap one specialist)Mill Parade and North Wall all at Harringay.A grader at Catford who got me out of trouble a couple of times was Not My Terry and Parktown Ranger (already mentioned )when he came to Catford in Open hurdle sprints drawn in red he never threw out,although at skinny odds.Some genuine graders at Walthamstow that were good money spinners for me were the dual distance graders Odense and Flanagans Mate,Muont keefe Flash and Oakfront Flash.I offered a farmer 50 quid for a pup called Yellow Forge at Limerick one night ,it looked light weight and was done very bad to be honest,the sale was agreed I went to pick it up and pay next day but a Cockney bloke I knew was there at first light and give sixty quid for it knowing I wanted it.Well I backed it in its first six races over here starting off in the first race and he won four of them.He eventually won a couple of small opens but I won a nice bit of money with him although I didnt own him.The people who had him didnt back him first time up and Harry Newman put up 14/1 I had 500/35 and he won breaking 30.They couldnt get thier breath(the owners)I dont know what the trainer told them but that dog looked the part that night.You always remember the success stories!!Three good White City graders I recall,Kilworth Kitty,Kenmare rRed and Kilmogany Five.Two good hurdlers who were unlucky to be about the same time as the all time great,Sherrys Prince,were Adamstown Valley and Irish Hedgehog.
Report TheMadGhost January 17, 2011 7:13 PM GMT
Whitmarsh: Nice post but after going to White City from 1969 to 1984, I can't remember Kilworth Kitty or Kenmare Red but have a vague memory of Kilmogany Five.  Were they befoe 1969?  To the good hurdlers who were about at the same time as "Sherry's Prince" were Derry Palm, Colonel's Rib, Tony's Friend, Ballintore Tiger, Foreign Currency, Beauty's Wonder, Ragtime and Anchor Sound.  Going back to Hackney I do remember they had a period of short priced low grade dogs starting short but winning by a long way, though I can't remember their names although "Cloughjordan Jet" is one I can remember, (maybe because she was owned by Carry-On actress Liz Frasier).
Report clapton January 17, 2011 7:49 PM GMT
Remember some great graders from the old London tracks :
Clapton.. Pestalozzi a top heat bitch lightning early.. Lissakyle queen low grade but reliable when in the right grade.
Harringay.. Glenshane Pride 6 bender another who was spot on when the readies were on..Friendly alex & Anthene marathon bitches
West Ham... Doon Monarch stayer...Pluckanes Star early paced low grader.
New Cross.. Local View top heat.. Wattlehurst Rum early paced low grade.

On the open race scene early to middle 70s, there were some top stayers about... Pitmans Brief.. Chain Gang.. Lizzies Girl.. Silver Lipstick.. Ballseedy Star... Not Permissable.
Sprinters.. The one and only Dont Gambol.. Ace of Trumps.. Prims Chick.
Where do you stop.. Great Memories !
Report sparrow January 17, 2011 8:17 PM GMT
Clapton- Two good graders at Clapton you may remember Dalcais Foam and Kilcarbery Pride at 575 yards. And at 760 yards Prince of Tullig and Handsome Lass. I remember Pestalozzi, was she a black bitch?
Report clapton January 17, 2011 10:00 PM GMT
sparrow..  Pestalozzi was a black bitch ran out of Trap 6... the only Kilcarberry I can remember is Kilcarberry Fairy.. I think Handsome Lass was involved in the Dagenham coup ?
Do you recall the betting ring there, what a buzz it was absolutely bursting, chunks changing hands.. we had a right touch there one night with a low class grader called Dougs Champion, you probably know how it was in the wet there, the outside was the place to be, it ran from Tr6 it turnt about 3 clear, a big bosh up behind at the 1st turn and won by 10... I think it was the last time I got a few quid !!
Report sparrow January 18, 2011 7:33 PM GMT
Clapton- Handsome Lass was indeed involved in the Dagenham coup. The market at Clapton was incredible at times and the big three would certainly not be able to manipulate it.
I stopped attending regularly around 1970 as I moved up to Yorkshire but you are quite correct about a wet track benefitting the wide runners, we used to pray for rain at times as it made it so much easier.
The graded dogs there in the 60s were far superior to other tracks and lower grade dogs were nearly all capable of winning minor opens.
The Derby record at that time proves that superiority. Unfortunately the GRA takeover wrecked the track and the winning times were considerably slower in the 70s.
Report casemoney January 18, 2011 11:58 PM GMT
Lazy gael was a good old grader at White City trained by Adam Jackson used to be tailed off in s4 races 660 but would win marathon opens occasionally ..

and Credit Control Unleadable graded also won a couple of opens Blush
Report Slippy Blue January 19, 2011 12:31 AM GMT
Difficult to name a 2 bend dog that started out in graded company at Catford, they didn't do sprints for graders.
4 bends, that fantastic bitch and one of my favourite dogs of all time Tenth Of June.
6 bends, Lead The Bottle trained by John Horsfall I think it was and Slieve Donard trained by Paddy Milligan who got to the quarters of the Derby, not a bad effort for originally a Catford grader. Kampos trained by Irene McNally who won the Guineas and last but not least, Fenessey's Gold who pretty much was invincible in the top grade who then went on to win The Springbok, trained by the late Ray Peacock. Just remembered Lone Keel, another top grader 6 bend who clocked 46.15 for his debut over 718 metres which was a time unheared of by even the best open racers around that time, won by 15 lengths.
Hurdlers, Catford not really known for top hurdlers as a rule, Mountleader View was pretty much unbeatable in his day.

When I was a regular at Henlow Joes Venture was the standing dish for ages.
Report Mustapha Bath January 19, 2011 5:06 PM GMT
My dad used to go Clapton, his favourites were Kilcarberry Pride and Larrys Model!!!
My uncle was a "Big" dog man and used to tell me a story (at least 50 times Cry) of
a grader at West Ham beating Yellow Printer.. Bank Note, he backed it on the draw Cool Cry
Report hopping January 21, 2011 1:07 AM GMT
Every time I read these recollections of years gone by. the memories haunt me.. how could it come to this .
Report Wood Lane January 21, 2011 3:37 PM GMT
In the Whitmarsh post he mentions Kilworth Kitty as a notable grader.She raced many years ago and was a prolific winner at 525+725yds.She was owned by the Secretary of a Racing Pigeon Club.Kenmare Red was also a winner of multiple 525yds graded races and was a very sound dog who seemed to be about forever.
Mr.Memory mentions Ashgrove Road,he was a litter brother of Ashgrove Trick who also made open class.The dam was Ashgrove Star.
Hopping,Everytime I drive past the site of the old White City I have an overwhelming feeling of regret,as you say how did it ever come to this.
Report whitmarsh January 25, 2011 6:35 PM GMT
Pitmans Brief was a black bitch who stayed forever.She improved markedly when upped to six bends at Harringay.She was soon open class and was hard to beat whoever was in opposition when she was drawn in trap one.When she was upped to 8 bends she was a revelatoin.She was owned by a Mr.Thompson who owned a lot of good dogs at Harringay in the 60s+70s.His daughter is Laura Thompson,the horseracing scribe who writes in the Post.Pitmans Brief raced till she was six years old and held the track record for 1050yds at White City in the seventies,I have fond memories of this great staying bitch who always wanted to win.She was one of them that would run through a brick wall for you and kill a paper bag.

Wood Lane,I didnt know of the connectoin with the pigeon club regarding Kilworth Kitty,but you jogged my memory about Kilmogany Five,Mad Ghost you are right it was late sixties,trained by Randy Singleton and owned by a man who cycled to the dogs and walked about with about six months of old dog cards in his hand.
Report whitmarsh January 25, 2011 6:36 PM GMT
There was a lot of Ashgrove dogs that used to run at White City.
Report TheMadGhost January 25, 2011 10:01 PM GMT
Whitmarsh: There was a man who used to publish his own greyhound newsletter and attended White City.  I can see his gaunt face but have no idea of his name except possibly his first name was Jack.  He used to always wear a "dirty" tan coloured raincoat but knew everyone there was to know in greyhound racing.

Brian Marks owned a lot of dogs at White City & Harringay trained by Randolph & Jim Singleton and Frank Melville.  I know there were a lot of dogs with the "Brinmark" prefix.  "Duke", "Pawn", "Plush" and "Tiny" were some I can remember along with "Trentham Theresa" and "Hunterfield Stan".  There was an interesting story about "Stan".  When he first went to White City he trialled like a champion but put him in a race, he was useless.  Trainer Gordon Hodson was at a loss.  Then he realised what was wrong.  The dog couldn't run under artificial lights!  So he installed an electric bulb in the dog's kennel and left it on 24 hours a day.  It worked and eventually "Hunterfield Stan" became a top heat/open race 725 yard winner for him.
Report Mr. Memory January 25, 2011 10:06 PM GMT
"TheMadGhost"...........Jack Huss.
Report TheMadGhost January 26, 2011 12:13 AM GMT
whitmarsh:  Andy Thompson is the man, I think, who owned Pitman's Brief.  He also owned litter brothers "After The Show" & "Commutering".  He usually appeared on the racecard as Mr AA Thompson.
Report whitmarsh January 26, 2011 1:22 PM GMT
Mr.Memory,I would agree with you that was Jack Huss.One of the most knowledgable dog men ever.I visited him not long before he died,he was living in flats on Blackfriars Rd and was down on his luck.He should have written a book,he was mustard on pedigrees and everything to do with dogs.
Does anyone remember listening to the greyhound news on the wireless?Weekdays it was at 5.50 on saturday at 11.45am.All the results for the London tracks were given out at10.30pm every night.
Andy Thompson was the man Mad Ghost,exactly right.I think he got a bit of help on the quiet with the trap draw when it was "off" with one of his.Lovely gentleman though and his daughter has done well a credit to him.
Report Millwall 66 January 29, 2011 9:33 PM GMT
Remember some of the old afternoon Bags performers, Elder Sister good staying bitch ran at Hendon-- Sam the Creed & Blunt Madam middle grade at the wick.. I suppose they must have got me a few quid to stick in my mind !
Report ColonelsRib January 31, 2011 6:56 PM GMT
Whitmarsh - cor you are going down the old oak chest, Trentham Theresa - there was a lot of dogs with this prefix and a lot of them was trained by the govenor (JP) he first handled them at New Cross back in the 50's and followed him when he moved back to Northaw.  They were bred by a lady called Pat Farrow who also owned the majority of them.

There was also the Adamstown prefix Adamstown Valley who was around with Sherry's Prince and the April prefix
How about Rorys Pleasure the hurdler, and Rostown Genius who ran a faster time in the Derby consolation than the winner in the final
Report TheMadGhost January 31, 2011 8:52 PM GMT
ColonelsRib: What about KP Lucky, Johnny Redwing, Hebe's Colonel, Hebes Major, Tiberetta, Shara Dee, Shara Flash at White City and not forgetting all the "Todos" dogs owned by Tom & Dorothy Unwin and trained at Walthamstow.

(PS If I remember rightly when Sherry's Prince won his first hurdle race at White City @ 20/1, didn't you finish second?)
Report ColonelsRib January 31, 2011 9:05 PM GMT
TheMadGhost: Yes they were the days the old Hebe dogs and the Todo's, and I can go further back than that how about N for Nellie Stamford Bridge 1948,

I probably did.But I did win the Cobbs hurdles at Catford
Report ColonelsRib January 31, 2011 9:25 PM GMT
TheMadGhost: and to finish the Hebe's - Beauty, Champion, Favourite, Jet, Lieutenant, Pet, Rebel,Tango, all owned by Mr or Mrs Van Geens
Report TheMadGhost January 31, 2011 9:43 PM GMT
ColonelsRib:  And I thought you were a youngster, you've done me with 1948.  I mentioned KP Lucky and Johnny Redwing because they were running when I first started going to White City and they were the biggest dogs I ever saw around there weighing in at 90lbs+.  The biggest open-racer I saw around there was "Cash For Dan" at a tiny 88lbs. The biggest I ever saw was "Cahumore Ranger" who Sid Ryall trained at Wembley.  Weighed-in at 96lbs!  Apparently, ate twice as much as any other dog in the kennels and only just got into the starting traps!
Report whitmarsh February 1, 2011 11:16 AM GMT
Tommy Unwin was unlucky not to have built a dog track at Enfield Town F.C.It was all in place with the football club but he needed the car park of The Starlight Rooms.From what I can remember whoever owned the land of the car park wouldnt sell.We went to some good Christmas kennel do`s at The Starlight.It was in a good position for a track,close to the M25 and on the A10.Come to think of it I dont think the M25 was built at the time.
Report ColonelsRib February 1, 2011 6:43 PM GMT
Ashgrove Road was also trained by Paddy McEvoy (Wimbledon 1975).  Cant remember what distance he ran when he was with Joe Pickering - he had many dogs for Gordon over the years
Report ColonelsRib February 1, 2011 6:46 PM GMT
TheMadGhost: there was a big black dog cant remember the first part of his name something Rebel he weighed in at about 94lbs and very tall and was in Joe Pickerings kennel, he was like a horse
Report Mr. Memory February 1, 2011 7:10 PM GMT
"ColonelsRib".......Gordon sent "Ashgrove Road" to Paddy McEvoy because he wanted to try & turn the dog into a hurdler & win the Springbok.......he got that one right.

Tommy Foster later trained for him at White City & Wimbledon.
Report TheMadGhost February 1, 2011 7:33 PM GMT
Sorry ColonelsRib you got me there.  As I said the two biggest dogs I ever saw at White City were the aformentioned KP Lucky & Johnny Redwing.  Maybe, the dog your're thinking of ran before 1969, if so, before my time.
Report sparrow September 19, 2021 5:02 PM BST
Some good memories on this 10 year old thread.
Report Deptford September 19, 2021 6:05 PM BST
Lead The Bottle was trained by Ellis I think Slippy. Tenth oF June, Chudalead Ballinamona Sam, Catford, 4 6 and 8 bends.
Report michael59 September 20, 2021 6:46 PM BST
leaders champion 74 gold collar i was there loved that dog , el tenor best hurdler i ever saw at crayford . toms the best never seen a dog run a back straight better at , oh and scurlogue champ at catford twice an enigma
Report irishone September 20, 2021 7:44 PM BST
Arfur daley
Report SlippyBlue September 20, 2021 8:13 PM BST
Alf Ellis, you're no doubt right Deptford, I know he was a favourite of yours as well.

Michael earliest Gold Collar that I remember seeing is I'm A Smasher in 1978, trained by John Coleman ( had to look that up as I had forgot who the trainer was!) and the year after was Paddy Milligan's lovely bitch Gayflash, then it was Sport Promotor and so on.

The late 70's was when I really got the bug big time and absolutely loved those final nights like nothing else. Things a bit different now but we still have those memories.
Report michael59 September 20, 2021 8:48 PM BST
slippy fantastic nights as a 15 yr old thurs / sat nights and alternate tuesdays i never missed a meet till i found women and beer lol. adored the place john  horsfall the 2 smiths ken appleton alf ellis , and dont get me started on the boxing day morning meet ffs was magical , the sea food shop on the cheap side the monkey nuts lol oh the memories
Report Deptford September 20, 2021 9:07 PM BST
Coloured race cards for owners, the owner of Chudalead, Alf? Used to grab hold of the railings during his races!! I had an even fiver with Sam and Alec and they were still arguing about laying evens 10 minutes later when it was 4/5 next door, the cracker with Red lipstick on the tote window in the other bar, near the food bit, a joy to behold, many a good night out with her, and what about Rough Diamond?
Report sandwich man September 23, 2021 6:19 PM BST
Kildare Slippy around Hall Green, think Paddy Hancox used to train it.
Report matso October 13, 2021 12:49 AM BST
Wonderful memories .. So totally different class to how it is now .. Heartbreak
Report Ravage Again October 13, 2021 1:09 AM BST
Reading this thread you boys watched some fast graders Laugh

Still not as quick as them A2 cork dogs though Mischief
Report SlippyBlue October 13, 2021 1:57 PM BST
I've just remembered a grader from Catford that went on to make the headlines, reading this thread again stirred something in my noggin that I'd long since forgotten!

Graded hurdler "Seamans Star" was untouchable on home soil and local trainer Arthur Boyce targeted the inaugural running of the Grand National for his charge and he won it at Hall Green in 1985. Admittedly I did have to look up the list of previous winners to get the year!

Looking through that list two dogs jumped out at me as well, Topofthetide and Bobcol. Both without peer over jumps in their day.
Report sparrow October 13, 2021 2:05 PM BST
Topofthetide was a great jumper slippy but Sherrys Prince was the best of them all bar none.
Report SlippyBlue October 13, 2021 2:16 PM BST
No doubt you're correct on that sparrow, just a bit before my time when Sherrys Prince was all conquering.
Report the.mad.dog.man October 13, 2021 3:39 PM BST
tonys friend and adamstown valley were 2 good hurdlers
Report sparrow October 13, 2021 3:47 PM BST
Was trying to think of Tonys Friend as another great hurdler.
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