the best greyhound ever was

Its not really an answerable question tbh Silverman.

id be inclined to go with BB like you but whos to say we're right or wrong & we could obviously
be giving great dogs from the past nowhere near the recognision they deserve

bob was such a great all rounder and on any track to.

mick the miller

Pigalle wonder

patricias hope

yes 3 good candiates there.

Yellow Printer

yellow printer

Great minds Sunderland.... How easy is it to get dvds from your place ?

It has to be Bob, an absolutely phenomenal greyhound the likes of which we'll never see again. Of the greats that I have seen live SomePicture would be my runner up. Slippy Blue gets the bronze medal

a guy that has seen a lot, Dave Vaas also says Yellow Printer... he must have been some kind of aero... i havent seen races i like more than those of Scurlogue Champ, and the Hawk was awesome, but having read what was asked of Mick The Miller (huge number of races over many distances and tracks), and what he acheived, its tough to believe one better than him?

so already in about ten different replies we have about 6 differing opinions, i have to admit with silverman though bob was an icon an absolute machine

had a lot of fun watching the hawk though, it was the way he did it which made him a great deffo top 5 in my book

Interesting opinions.  I'm a great fan of Myrtown, (the only time he ever trapped in front he broke Monalee Champions 550 yard record at White City).  When Westpark Mustard was trying to break the record for the most number of consecutive wins, she was one to watch but when all's said and done it has to be Scurlogue Champ.  Never seen one like him before and we never will see one like him again, (sadly).  Ballyregan Bob was a great dog, no doubt, but I fancy Dolores Rocket would have beat him.

My pick would be Pigalle Wonder although I often think that the achievement of Roxholme Girl by winning both the Select stakes and the TV trophy has never been given the credit it deserved. Surely this will never be done again.

I remember "Spectre II" won the TV Trophy, at 18 months of age, then ran-up in the Derby Final behind his litter brother "Tric-Trac".

i have that derby program upstairs MadGhost

Trap 1 - Tric Trac
Trap 2 - Mel's Talent
Trap 3 - Shady Parachute
Trap 4 - Ambiguous
Trap 5 - Silver Hope
Trap 6 - Spectre II

Some Final

Forward King was another great member of the litter saw him win the St Leger at Wembley. Seem to remember him escaping as a pup and running loose on the yorkshire dales for weeks.

Eastmead:  Yes spot-on.  I've found a small article below that might interest you:

Forward Flash was also in the litter and, but for injury, might well have been the best of them all. In the few months of 1966 in which he did race, he won the Juvenile Stakes at Wembley, the Manchester Cup at White City, Manchester, and the Mackeson Cup at Walthamstow with further great things expected of him.

The litter, of five dogs and four bitches, was by Crazy Parachute out of Supreme Witch. The dam, Witching Grand, was one of a litter that included Mile Bush Pride, whelped in 1956 and who won the English Derby in 1959.

Forward King, the other excellent member of Leo Stack’s wonderful litter, won the St Leger and the Scottish St Leger, the only dog ever to have done so. He also won the Wembley Gold Cup and the Stewards’ Cup and, in 70 top class open events, won half of them. Yet he might never have reached a race track at all. When he was 12 months old, he escaped from his kennels and lived wild on the Yorkshire moors for many weeks before being recaptured!

forget about any greys from USA,Ireland and UK,Brett Lee(Australia)was head and shoulders above any others.Sold for $3mill

Mad Ghost, if my memory serves me right Spectre and Tric Trac were from the same litter ?

In the USA, Rocking Ship trained by Don Cuddy [;)] well so i've been told

On what i have seen and what he achieved Westmead Hawk would be right up there but in my opinion the best i have ever seen was Premier Fantasy.

He won the National Puppy Stake coming from off the pace in the semi final and final, clocking times of 28.45 (1/4 final), 28.59 (1/2 final) and 28.58 (final). That years National Puppy Stake included Droopys Scholes (English Derby winner), Geldrops Touch (English and Irish Derby Finalist), Droopys Cahill (Puppy Derby winner), Pollardstown Rex (Ted Hegarty's dog who unfortunately broke down) and others such as Velvet Rebel, Fat Budgie, Jack Spark, Side Walk and First Whip. It was a brilliant competition and from the 1/4 final onwards Premier Fantasy simply destroyed the field.

He then returned for the Easter Cup (then run over 525y) and while beaten by Jewel Nikita in round 1 when in bad need of the run he showed he had learned to trap better and was showing unbelievable early pace. He won his 2nd round in 28.39 off a 1.96 sectional, and won his semi final in 28.32 off a 1.94 sectional. In the final he went off 4/9 Fav and again did a 1.94 split. He left brilliant early pace dogs like Shantobar, First Charter (led previous years Derby Final) and Indian Ruler behind making them look paceless to the bend. Indian Ruler himself had almost back run Dalcash Black a few weeks previous over 350y and Dalcash was probably the best sprinter in Ireland at the time. He destroyed them for pace and went a mile clear. Awesome Impact who later that year won the Ladbroke 600 tried to close but couldn't get anywhere near him and he stopped the clock in a brilliant 28.08

He was installed either 7/2 or 4/1 favourite for the Irish Derby afterwards

He then went to Wimbledon and had won every round until tragedy struck in bthe semi final. I myself and the vast majority who saw this brilliant dog run are in no doubt he was on his way to winning the Derby and i have no doubt he would of smashed the track record in the process.

The reason i put him up is because i believe that was a great few years for Irish Greyhound racing and we had some unbelievable good dogs but he just destroyed them.

Forget even Brett Lee.
Zoom Top was the best greyhound ever to race in Australia.
She was even inducted into the american hall of fame for her outstanding achievments

hover sorry for late reply easy peasy

no prob Sunderland, is that even if you live in the South, heard they are rather precious about them?

aint been in the game long enough to remember the older dogs but in my generation westmead hawk for pure entertainment but prem fantasy was a machine of the likes i havnt seen since

I must confess I completely forgot about Spectre 11's achievement when commenting on Roxholme Girl. A truly remarkable dog.

not saying this dog was the best but SOME PICTURE a great hound imo

Spanish Battleship won  Irish Derby three times.

my first ever dog was sired by spectre. gave me a lot of fun running at leicster

the fastest dog i ever watched was jet control i think bertie gaynors dog the dog won the midland grand prix he jumped over a dog to get by him he did 28.34 that night with clear run he would have broke worst record of 28.28

silverman i saw jet control run at sheff about 78/79  if my memory serves me right he won his heas and semis in either the harry holmes or steel city cup and got beat by a dog also from the midlands called stretch fabric, i think jet was a big fawn dog if i remember correctly, he beat 1 of the best dogs i ever saw in those heats as well the great dog desert pilot, greyhound racing was brilliant back then

anyone remember another good dog round that time i saw him win a puppy open at sheff, the dog in question being mulcair rocket

yes pox docs he was joint derby fave with demaulders dale lad i thought desert pilot was about same time my friend had chance to but a untrailed desert pilot or sarahs bunny for £1000 before they trailed lol he declined the fool.

hover sorry again for late reply,check their website,I think the media company that does them sends them out first class,

Thank you Sunderland, 0.15 ? you must gave been on the late shift , or up doing the vids !

P,D,C think mr. Kovac trained Mulcair

the great emil kovac did his son start training to greytom.

Singapore woofer. Is the Dave Vass you refer to the chap who trained at Reading in the early eighties?

hoverkermit: Spot on.  Tric-Trac were litter brothers along with Forward King & Forward Flash.  I posted a small article on 4 January.

pompey - yes. he recently moved out of slough (to the other side of the m25..) and i dont believe has runners today, but still keeps retired dogs and maybe breeding a few.. top bloke.

Toms The Best

I'll see your Toms The Best and raise you a Hit The Lid. My money would be on Hit The Lid.

I'll go all in on "Myrtown".

i liked myrtown to was he trained by stan biss

Singapore woofer. I believe Dave Vass was meant to have a runner against us in the final of the 1984 Aldershot Derby, but had to withdraw because the NGRC were checking up on him. Shame that happened as he seemed a nice bloke.

Silverman: The great "Myrtown" was trained by Eddie Moore at Belle Vue and owned by Fenton Kirwan.

sheskburn mint beat jet contol in the steel city cup in a track record time of 29 12 jet then went on to win the laurels that year

thats it mint i remember now, the stretch fabric dog was another race around the same time, memory not what it used to be , i used to live atowlerton in those days never missed a meeting. i remember sheskburn if my memory is right he was a blue dog

maybe iam wrong, getting old these days

the mad ghost i was told the week before the derby final he ran flapping at hinckley not sure how true it is.

Unbelievable.  Flap a dog the week before a £10k race!  If that is the case, well, no wonder he lost two English and one Irish Derby finals.  I can't believe it because he was a dull but outstanding looking brindle who covered the ground very majestically.  I knew a lot of good flapping men at that time and if he was being "flapped" they'd have know about it.  I hope it isn't true.

Mint: I hate to disagree with you, but The 1978 Laurels was won by Jet Control.  The 1978 Steel City Cup was won by Westmead Manor.

was told he needed the race fitness but sounds daft to me to tmg

Mad Ghost, Myrtown was before my time I think. I know the name but never saw Myrtown run.

ghost , sheskbrn did win a major race at sheff , and i cant remember westmead manor winning any, like i said earlier post my memory not too good these days. it may have been 79 the year sarahs bunny won the derby, desert pilot was rd

Slippy Blue: Myrtown was a truly wonderful dog who reached two English and one Irish derby Finals, also a Pall Mall final, (finished 2nd after a hopeless start).  Won the Sporting Life Juvenile Championship as a puppy.  He beat Westpark Mustard at odds-on at White City.  Mustard then won her next 20 races!  But the dog that many good judges told me, that at his best he was as good if not better than Pigalle Wonder was Yellow Printer but when I saw him he was over the top.

Mick the Miller and a dog who I remember from New Cross Stadium Prince Lawrence a hurdler who wasnt allowed to run in the Springbok because he hadnt got experience a few months later took the Grand National and The Scottish Grand National and many other great races.  There is so many great dogs I would say it is to hard to pick just one we all have our own names

Great knowledge T.M.G. I should remember as I recall seeing Westpark Mustard run but I don't. Didn't Jason Beresford's Dad own Mustard, he who used to present the 854 channel when it was on?
This must be late 70's I'm guessing.

hi the mad ghost must have been bass cup

Slippy Blue: Westpark Mustard was owned by Cyril Scotland who real name was Cyril Young.  Westpark Mustard was trained by Tommy Johnston at Wembley

Super Rory trained by Noreen Collin would be my best in a one off race against anything

masked magician:  I have to disagree.  "Suoer Rory" was a one race wonder who, to be fair, never produced it again as he got injured.  His father, "Yellow Printer" was a far better dog, (won Irish Derby should have and would have but for a slipping jacket, have won the English Derby in the same year).  Super Rory was also scared out of his mind by the Derby roar and never showed in the final.

May i put up Moral Standards,to go thru the Derby unbeaten without any early pace was awesome.

indeed u may mucky... this is the derby that sticks out most in my mind... ayr flyer, up the junction from ireland... ep and stayers... and gud betting throughout... what happened to tony Meek? he had moral, lassa java and Ringa and then i dont remember himn having another gud derby dog.. ?? i think ill have to get the video converted to dvd this week  :-)

dont no about mrytown had his pic on my wall along with  alan ball .in 84 we ran are dog in bolton derby on the sat had to run in select stakes at wenbley on the mon.as it was for not much wonger 1k ish lot less than bolton derby we new it would be hard to run well on mon. much to are suprise two other runners in are heat only five dog race where also in select stakes .not a big suprise when living trail at 66s won at wembly

IMO Ballyregan Bob.

Agree with the two above Moral standards was a great Derby Winner, probably my favourite Derby winner.

Best Derby winner (In my opinion): Baliniska band.  Missed the start, led second bend, beat a very strong dog and broke the track record, (29.19, I think)

In  the 76 final Ballybeg Prim gave Mutts silver after very bad troble 8yds start and got beat a fast diminishing length.With the great Westmead Champ well behind.Mckenna was god back then.

mad ghost was linacre in 2nd behind baliniska, or was it pat seamur

answered my own question ghost it was neither, el cavalier was 2nd pat seamur 3rd just watched it on youtube

just watched lacca champion again as well didnt realise how good a dog he was, he could run a bend thats for sure

Pox doctors clerk: I backed balliniske Band at 20/1 to a good few quid, then had £2 ew El Cavalier @ 1000/1.  He was bred, reared owned and trained by two close friends of mine, Ted Griffin and hia wife, Peggy, in Cambridge.  The dog was very ill up to a month before the Derby but gradually improved as the competition went on.  I've always thought that Balliniska Band was the best Derby winner I've seen because he had to beat a very good dog and broke the clock in doing it.  El Cavalier then ran-up in the Gold Collar, Edinburgh Cup, (behind Linacre) and Selact Stakes.  His litter brother, El Patrone, won the Silver Salver at Southend over 300 yards.

Goosebumps.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz0Utl30A0U&feature=related

Even better

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBBHclrMcvs&feature=related

selkirk , absolutely frightening wasnt he, i saw him do exactly the same at sheffield around that time , miles behind no chance of winning and did i couldn believe what i had just seen, amazing dog

ballinska stupid as it may seem was probably the first greyhond superstar owned by raffael bacci, trained at belle ve

I would've loved to have seen him in the flesh pox but it was just a bit before my time.

That 2nd vid, he had his run checked 3 times yet still got up.

An amazing sight

The second video he got up to beat Jet Circle, who went on to win the St Leger @ Wembley that year!

he was a monster of a dog to,head and shoulders above everything else 40kilo plus

pity you never saw him selkirk, he used to add thousands to the attendance wherever he went, that night at sheffield he packed it out and he didnt let anyone down

Wasnt Eddie Moore at White City Manchester ?

Good times pox

correct Colonel

Eddie Moore trained Myrtown from Manchester White City, moved To belle Vue and trained Balliniska Band

they were indeed selkirk

the mad ghost, what a nice touch that would have been 2 pound ew at a 1000s in the late 70s, el cavalier ran a blinder in defeat