DJ playing LIV

i think it will be on youtube

The European Tour have nothing to fear.
The Saudi's are after the very best and they are not found on the European Tour.

Intresting to see how long they'll pump money into the LIV if the quality doesn't improve.

JML Joined: 10 May 05
Replies: 231702 Jun 22 11:44 
The European Tour have nothing to fear.
The Saudi's are after the very best and they are not found on the European Tour.

Intresting to see how long they'll pump money into the LIV if the quality doesn't improve.

In the short term they will struggle to get the top players from the PGA tour. They will be able to pick of the next tier down predominately euro/ global players like the south africans. This field is already stronger than virtually all DP world tour events in europe. The event at Slaley Hall for the Asian tour this week has a prize fund the same as the the DP event in Germany. LIV via the Asian tour will be able to put on events in europe that match outstip the DP giving players a place to play if necessary.

It is a start up and will take time and some players will be cautious until the issue around majors is resolved but if the Saudi's keep offering the big bucks then it won't be long before players switch.

I suspect they will be around a while given the money they offering. Tyrell Hatton has been reportedly offered 30 million and one of the amateurs playing has signed up for £5 million. Players will be cautious initially but once these events get going and the World number 187 is picking up multi millions others will follow. Ultimately players go where the money is.

LIV are going to change the landscape of golf and the established tours especially the DP are quite rightly concerned.

exactly, garbage compared to top level golfers.

Only 1 of the 48 would be less than 100/1 in a major on here.

DJ is still in the 25/1 + bracket now.

Mickey Mouse event. Just easy blood money for some of them, selling their souls for a few shekels.

decent field my jacksy, its a junk field lets be honest.

Has beens and players not done anything in the game.

The Saudi's must be gutted with the field lining up.

And some of those playing are in the Euro field this week and in the Memorial. None of them doing anything.

Mickey Mouse event it really is.

3 Billion doesn't buy much these days.

All its doing atm is diluting all comps

Neither the PGA Tour or DP World can ban players entering majors.

Doubt they will be able to uphold banning them from playing events on the tours.

The lawyers will be licking their lips

Unlike the NBA, MLB and NFL, the PGA Tour considers golfers to be independent contractors, and they have to pay their own expenses, including extensive travel, caddy and coaching costs, entry fees, and even a $50 charge to use a tournament locker room. Golfers mainly get paid — not for participating in events, as most other professional athletes do — but via prize fees. For example, in the recent American Express tournament, 156 golf pros teed off, but four days later, just 70 of them received prize money, and only 33 of those made more than $27,000.

The R&A, PGA of America and USGA are separate organisations to the PGA Tour/ DP Tour

The point being that as they are separate organisations to an extent and they sanction the majors apart from the Masters, I would imagine they can quite easily stop players from entering such events.

USGA set the field for the US open - Why wouldn't they want the best players in the world participating?

PGA of America set the field for the PGA - They didn't ban PGA Tour players for playing when they broke away from the PGA of America - why would they ban players now?

The point being that as they are separate organisations to an extent


Not to an extent they are completely separate

Re the majors the guys choosing to play in LIV will find it hard to qualify, a ban likely not necessary. No OWGR points in team events, and won't qualify by winning a PGA Tour event, making it to East Lake etc.

DJ, Sergio be ok for Augusta, Oosty for The Open as past champions. After that I don't know how they'll get in unless they go through qualifying which is only for the two Opens.

See Kevin Na has announced he has resigned from the PGA Tour.

The Asian Tour are santioning the events - there is a individual element so hard to see why they won't get OWGR points

The Asian Tour are santioning the events - there is a individual element so hard to see why they won't get OWGR points

Right you are. Point remains though, qualification still harder without being on the PGA Tour where a win gets you in The Masters as does a trip to East Lake. Don't (at this point anyway) envisage ANGC, USPGA, USGA or The R&A rushing to provide exemptions for wins on the Saudi tour and with the small fields OWGR points will be minimal until such time more top players inevitably make the switch.

I didnt think they were going to sanction world ranking points for any of the LIV events?

if the pga and euro tour ban these players, the LIV tour will end quickly..........not sure if they can be blocked from the us open and british open. but wimbledon just banned russian players. the masters is a private tournament. the masters answers to no one. they can ban anyone for whatever reason.
there will be no prestige in winning a LIV event. for the big players the cash will not compensate for not playing in the masters, players or pga championship. i assume DJ will now lose all his sponsors and forget about getting new ones unless they are saudi sponsors. he already has millions. he is making a big mistake.

if the pga dont ban these players, they can kiss goodbye to the pga tour. the big players will just turn up for the maybe 10 events each year on the pga tour and for the other weeks play with LIV........the week to week events will be dead...all the big guys will be playing on LIV............they will be like the weekly euro tour events which have terrible fields............
if we ever have to listen to the opinion of the guys playing in LIV this week on golf or any other issue again, it will be hard to take........

i believe the european tour should be incorporated into the pga tour. there should be two events each week......the premier event held mainly in america but also having the british open, WGC in china and maybe new ones like scottish open.......even the irish open and aus open.......a tournament with all the top players in ireland or australia would get 50k spectators a day........the secondary tournament each week can be held 70 pct of the time outside america but also in america at the same time as the premier event. the attendances for the euro events are really poor. the top european players dont give a damn about the european tour. only time they play it seems is when they get appearance money. there have ben some european tour events held in scotland and england and they havent even turned up. the euopean tour really is dire. poor fields and low crowds. the middle east events seem to get good fields, i suspect because of appearance money. the latter really is a disaster for the game.......such money could be added to the prize money.

I find it funny how everybody says everything but the truth. Its much easier if everyone says, I'm motivated by money and this tour has the most money. Id actually have no problem there but in the desperate attempt to not be judged Norman and players like Johnson are basically saying its about other things other than money. Its like a 20 year old blond girl with a 70 year old millionaire and them saying 'i love him for who he is' In this moment they loose all credibility. I think fans and people in sport need to look to the reality. We have now seen it many years  in football - people go where the money is. Its as simple as that. And actually what it does is the long term is raises prices, reduces motivation and reduces value for fans. At some point people will just give up on watching sport with passion, as they see the players only motivated by money and the sport has been dumbed down for tv (again to make more money)

Dustin has been paid 125 million upfront to play 8 - 14 events a year I can see why he has done it and I am sure this will cushion the loss of any sponsors

the masters is a private tournament. the masters answers to no one. they can ban anyone for whatever reason.

Why would the Masters want to prevent the best players or past champions playing in their event?

Drove past the Centurion today ,major security exercise in place look to have an army there...