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Suzanne Pettersen - Disgrace To Golf
Suzanne Pettersen - Disgrace To Golf
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Anyway, this makes it 1-1 in Solheim Cup sportsmanship, so the Yanks can't overly complain.
Annika Sorenstam holed a 25 foot chip in 2000, to halve a hole, but the yanks made her replay it (and miss)due to her opponent, Kelly Robbins, belatedly realising she should have played first, and Sorenstam had played out of turn. Ironic that Annika was a vice captain today who came in for some criticism about Pettersen's actions. http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-commentary/article/9570485/espnw-replayed-chip-2000-irks-annika |
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@GRANTCKING ' I wouldn't say they were croc tears, she was genuinely upset, just a young lass who loves the game and plays with a bounce in her step.
Being embroiled in a controversy, through no fault of her own, must have affected her. Her senior partner put her in the spotlight with insinuations of sportsmanship involved, and she clearly found it difficult to cope with, hence the tears. |
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well put J_K..think she's a bit chavvy but no side to her unlike the c*nt she was paired with
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Why is Hull blameless? If the putt wasn't conceded, why is she heading off for the 18th tee? At best it's disrespectful / lack of etiquette not to watch your opponents finish the hole
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think as far as she was aware it was going to be conceded as a fait accompli b4 her baitch playing partner stuck her odious,underhand oar in
think she was less than impressed with the norwegian if truth be told don't think it's just on the LPGA she's going to be persona non grata |
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Hull not blameless.
When Pettersen did her thing, that was Hull's cue to say "I walked off, my fault, come on, let's get on with the game all square", not go into hiding and leave Pettersen to wreak havoc. But I agree she is far less to blame than Pettersen, though she has a tongue in her head and should have used it to put things right. |
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Roger - Hull is half the age of Pettersen, just a teenager, and walked off assuming the putt would be conceded by her senior partner, and was just as shocked by the incident as Alison Lee. Both young girls were in tears.
Hull is completely and utterly exonerated from any wrongdoing, and if anything, should be on the receiving end of sympathy for having her afternoon singles fcked up by the earlier incident. |
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I agree with your first point but not your second. As senior partner Pettersen should definitely have known better and led by example.
But even a younger partner has input and the chance to right the wrong. She was stood on the green with Pettersen when the discussion was going on. Is quite capable of telling her partner and the official she was walking and it should be conceded. Certainly less culpable than Pettersen and Koch but she should have spoken up. And I'm not trying to kick her as I do like her, but do think she should have stepped in. |
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Except that there was 'no wrong to right' if Petterson wants to see the put that's up to her.
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Roger - would you as a teenager, have tried to overrule a senior partner, twice your age, in a work related incident?
19 years old, she's barely out of school - you think she should have questioned someone with 7 or 8 Solheim Cup appearances? Imagine if Pettersen was right, and the outspoken teenager had tried to overrule her - her name would be mud. It's become a lose/lose situation for Hull, and she doesn't deserve it. let's hope it doesn't scar her. |
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jack charley is viewed as europes best player, her age makes no difference, she had a chance to make it right, she didnt and then the crocodile tears and somehow shes the victim, absolutley delighted usa got up off the canvas and beat them
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It's got nothing at all to do with Charley Hull, that was a mere sideshow. Unfortunately for Pettersen, she's probably cost her team a Solheim Cup and that's already too harsh a penalty for the calamitous mistake she made, feel terribly sorry for her. Next Europe captain going to the States already probably hoping she doesn't make the team.
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Pettersen was a disgrace and Koch compounded the error by not overruling her afterwards. Well done, USA.
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It looked to me from what looked like a heated Euro team discussion after the incident that they wanted to give the Americans a half point but Pettersen was adamant that they shouldn't.Annika Sorenstam clearly didn't agree with what happened.
Koch then decided to publicly back her player rather than throwing her under the bus. I don't think Charley Hull is blameless either. She was adamant in her press conference that she wasn't walking off the green,that she was actually walking over to Pettersen to discuss whether to concede the putt or not which having watched the footage again this morning is a load of rubbish.I also don't think the incident affected her play in the singles.Kerr was just too good. Anyway,the Euros got what they deserved in the end. |
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http://www.golfshake.com/news/view/9170/Petterson_offers_apology_for_Solheim_Cup_controversy.html
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That's a good and very heartfelt apology. Case closed.
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Case closed?????
Oh so this is the real Pettersen rather than the one who messed up yesterday and had ample chance to put things right but didn't, in fact she ridiculously tried to justify herself. She probably sat down with her advisors, realised she had nowhere else to go and this was the best she could do. As for whether Charley Hull was to blame. Yes, to a limited extent but the whole Team should take a certain amount of responsibility. None of them spoke out against Pettersen even though you would hope they could all see that she had made a complete fool of herself. The Captain appeared to put one player above the Team and that simply wasn't good enough. It was that shirking of her responsibility to the game that overshadowed anything else she did over the three days. |
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ffs it was the thicko american who picked up her ball when her putt hadn't been conceded. As soon as Pettersen pointed this out to the ref, there was no other decision than loss of hole.
I've see Bubba Watson in a cactus bush telling a ref that he wanted to hit his shot backwards further into the bush to get relief and not a word said. I've seen Tiger Woods illegally drop and admitting he did so to get an advantage and not get dq'd and ppl saying he's a victim for getting a penalty shot. Shocking witch hunt imo |
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I don't know what is supposed to be meant by the "real Pettersen". From all i've read, she's a well-respected and popular member of the women's golf tour, but I doubt many of us here follow it week in week out, so maybe you know better and are on to something.
Don't know if I'd go so far as to say witch hunt, but from the moment Laura Davies started to vent yesterday, I was already thinking the whole reaction was OTT and then it just got worse. But that's the nature of these monster matchplay events when the win or lose at all costs mentality is mixed with the so-called honour and spirit of the game. Everything is hyped beyond proportion from the build-up to the selection of captains, vice captains, vice vice captains, water carriers, ball washers and on and on and on. So it's simply inevitable that when an incident like this happens the reaction is going to be ludicrously over the top as well. Not saying that's a bad thing, as I enjoy them as much as anyone else, but the vilification of Pettersen is extreme and unfair. She made a mistake and apologised and that should be the end of it. |
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Apologies now being offered by Pettersen; probably suggested by her management team as they realise she plies her trade predominantly in the USA & a damage limitation exercise required.
Her apologists seem to be suggesting that she was wronged because she followed the rules but the "spirit" of the game surely should have taken precedence & the moral high ground would have gone in her favour - very poor captaincy from Koch who should have conceded the 18th to ensure a drawn match. Simply proves golf is no better or worse than any other sport (too much money involved) where rules are pushed as far as they can be & arguments subsequently ensue |
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how convenient she has suddenly had a Damascene epiphany
wonder whether this contrived mea culpa has anything to do with the fact she plys her trade on the other side of the pond and trying to mitigate the 'reception' she will still undoubtedly & deservedly get over there cunning,surly,overrated,nasty piece of work |
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Koch now needs to make her apology. She had a chance at the closing ceremony but chose to ignore the incident which was very poor imo. She has shown a complete lack of class.
I would also say there is something lacking in Pettersens statement. The words are there but I don't feel any sincerity. |
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Pettersen was in the wrong as before they teed off on the 18th should have agreed the half on the prev hole. Purely in the spirit of the game. (also poor sportsmanship to start walking off).
But why the feck did Alison Lee pick it up? Pure stupidity, unless she has been told "that's good" or "pick it up" then she should have just knocked it in, even if the Europeans are on the next tee. Look up at 1 of the Europeans before picking it up to get the go ahead. So she must take part of the responsibility. Playing golf for years in a friendly sunday 4 ball or matchplay events at the club don't think ive ever seen a player pick up a ball without being told "its good". |
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ever lick the opponents balls?
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Hull "walking off" is completely and utterly irrelevant. Lee said she picked up because she thought she heard someone saying the putt was good not because anyone was moving.
Peddersen has apologised because she forced an advantage that was unmerited. lol at people still detracting her who obviously have never played to win in any activity. |
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No, its absolutely relevant and the whole point. If they hadn't walked off there would be nothing to argue about. When you don't give a putt you say nothing and stand still. At the very least walking off while your opponent is still playing the hole is v poor etiquette. Note that when Pettersen is asked about the walking off in an interview afterwards she point-blank refuses to discuss it. And then a day later Hull lies about it
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Its utterly and completely irrelevant to Lee's action of picking up the ball and the referee's decision to penalise her.
It is relevant to the "bad sportsmanship" aspect of the incident (there is virtually no chance she would have missed the putt) for which Peddersen has apologised. |
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At the very least walking off while your opponent is still playing the hole is v poor etiquette
Happens all the time on the men's tour, annoys me but seen it happen plenty of times. end derail |
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As has been mentioned, we don't know exactly what Hull was thinking so it's guesswork. My guess is she walked towards Pettersen to discuss whether the putt would be conceded. I think we can all accept it was a gimme, with just that little percentage doubt for Hull not to be able to concede without consulting. And you only need to study the reactions of Lee's playing partner and caddy to understand what a monumental blunder she committed when scooping her ball up.
As for etiquette, I can never help noticing how many players continue to practise their putting strokes while in the eyeline of a player putting on the green. I've never seen anyone complain, but it always looks off-putting to me. I hate to single Sergio out, because it's always HIM, but he instantly strikes me as a serial offender. |
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To be fair, Sergio needs all the putting practice he can get. Leave him alone.
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Upon reflection now that things have calmed down I would like to say that yep I still "would" and so would most of you !
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I don't think enough has been made of how stupid Lee was in just picking up the ball. She didn't look up for a reaction from her opponents and simply picked the ball up, I'm sure she could sense Hull and caddies walking off but you always look up for some kind of acknowledgement. I'm pretty sure she would have holed it but it wasn't a 100% nailed-on gimme, we've all seen how stingy the players can be in these matches
if somebody did that to me in a match I would be pretty cheesed off, if it was a borderline gimme I would say 'what the hell are you doing' and would probably take the hole. If it was 6 inches I wouldn't be too bothered |
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Tricky one. Obviously the American is at fault for picking up without a clear "that's good". But still feel like Europe should have conceded. It's a gentleman's game and it's pretty obvious that the girl did not pick up to gain an advantage, but because she genuinely thought it was good because the European player & caddie strode off purposefully. I mean it's a professional with a tap in ffs.
I understand that everyone wants to win but sportsmanship is more important, especially in golf. Interesting that the two highest profile incidents like this have been from the ladies!! Make of that what you will.  |
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but because she genuinely thought it was good because the European player & caddie strode off purposefully.
No she didn't. She said that she picked up because she heard someone say the putt was good. Her partner at the side of the green saw both Euro players and what they were doing and shouted "don't pick up". So the "strode off" is a red herring. |
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I wouldn't say it's a red herring Dave. Surely it plays a massive part; it looked for all the world like Hull and the caddies were done with the hole.
Lack of experience shown from the 19-year-old European and 20-year-old American and the veteran in the group had the chance to ensure a sporting resolution, just give her the putt and move to 18. Who wants to win a match like that? Maybe that's why I'm not a tour pro and she is!  |
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