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st andrews is not the best course for spectators, but deffo a must visit once for last round
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Agree it's terrible for viewing, but there is definitely an aura about the place. But I have an issue with just how easy it is when it's benign and just how hard it can be when it's bad.
incan totally understand the opposite viewpoint, just offering an opinion. |
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I've never found The Open courses to be as photogenic as others. (And I don't mean to denegrade the lovely buildings!!)
Tv can't pick up the challenge of the wind nor truly highlight the difficult contours of the greens. The 18th is as dull a hole as you'll see. Easiest tee shot in golf and then it's really just a question of birdie or par unless you drop down into the valley of sin. The Road Hole is my favourite by a distance because of the unique tee shot, the pot bunker and of course the road at the back. Putting is everything and with the huge greens there's little sense of intimacy for the fan either present or on tv. |
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its harder than it looks. i played the course last week and shot an 82. even though im the reigning us open and masters champion. its the only tournament ive never won on tiger woods pga tour 12.
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you beat me to it donny.
Faldo, Woods, Nicklaus, seve st Andrews has produced some great champions. There have been some low winning scores but they are usually runaway wins. The 18th gets some stick but its a birdie hole and not an easy one some do some dont. The course is much maligned but the finish from 13 is good not many are under par |
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Chances are those players would have won Opens at another venue played every five years though? I don't see them being Champs as some kind of proof the course is special myself.
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would be nice if the fairways were less than a 100 yards wide(a 24 handicapper could hit them blindfolded) and if somehow you managed to miss a fairway theres not rough.without wind its a pitch and putt. amateurs shooting 67/68 is total b99ll99x.the place needs a bomb on it.at least when its windy theres something more than watching dustbin driving 5 par 4s.350 nyard par 4s , fcg hellwhat nonsense.
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If you have an interest in the history of the game I can see why you might want to visit St Andrews and play the course, but don't try to make out it is a good golf course.
As for "a must visit once for last round"? I would not waste a day of my life playing it. |
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In full knowledge of the purist wrath to come...Of course, aptly for the home of golf, there is a element of asking yourselves what you want from the future of the sport? This is one of four events that draws in crowds from outside the golfing fraternity and one of a dwindling number of sporting events showcased on free to air tv in the UK. Is it more engaging to a newcomer to the sport to watch the best of the best make a few birdies occasionally or to watch them par par par par par par par double bogey par bogey bogey par bogey bogey must not initiate the 'full' Monty collapse?! For anyone who has played the sport each should be/are impressive and exciting and maybe the latter even moreso...but golf is in the shop window with the majors and if they were all the former where would the love and excitement of the next generation come from?
Was Seve's 1979 -1 win at Royal Lythm & St Annes great golf...yes but his -11 victory at the same course following THAT final round 65 was something that instilled a lifelong love of golf in me...it was certainly more exciting than...(despite a much later developed love for)... Faldo's 18 hole grind-o-rama the year prior. So if you want new generations to be enthralled by golf and secure its future at some point you're going to have to allow your top athletes to actually get it in the hole! Also...if St Andrews is so easy why is the leaderboard showing -7? Who left 11 birdies sitting out there? What a bunch of losers...why, anyone on this forum could shoot at least -18 a round on this poor excuse for a course, couldn't they?! PS:Also playing golf in Britain anywhere where your performance isn't affected by the weather just isn't British, what! |
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what a joke! you think 30 under? i would lay that bet all day long. you obviously don't play and don't punt golf.
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TTT
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harino, if it had been weather like this for 4 days dustin johson would average 66 so theres 24 under, he may well shoot 64 today getting him to 18 under but then hed probably only shoot a modrrate 68 tomorrow. but this is a farce.duval cant hit a ball , hasn't made an open cut for 6 years and breezed round in 5 undrr, the course is a total khazi,i promised myself not to bet next vtime its at st andrwes(the home of putting) so without a financial interest I can not watch (itll be on skyadverts by then anyhow) but I do have a financial interest in this event so ill watch the last day incase I nee to make other bets/lays.as for now im going out, cant waste a sunny day watching this b0000lll000x, (1st day ive ever missed watching the open
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and one of a dwindling number of sporting events showcased on free to air tv in the UK.
Johnny, not only is the tv licence a fair few quid, it's compulsory.. |
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Looks like an amateur is going to lead. I suspect that says more about the course than the player. Hardly likely to be leading on a proper test. Finale hole is ridiculous. If someone has a one-stroke advantage it isn't worth playing. You would need a total mishit to even contemplate dropping a shot.
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yeah, 20 or so players in with a shout tomorrow
dreadful stuff |
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Well after a day of perfect conditions we're only 18 strokes off of -30, of course someone will nail that tomorrow on such an easy course.
Injera, fair point, although the second half somewhat negates the sentiment - if you take the licence as read it's still free to air compared to the extra subscription services taking over. Meaning it still has the potential to draw in audiences that wouldn't seek out extra pay subscription services. Obviously that's just been fkd by the rights award - something I believe will be to the detriment of the sport. Also, are there tickets for when Loanwolf explains to DJ it's only pitch and putt?! |
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- 10 will win tomorrow
25 mph winds |
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Hmm Sickoflayinwinners if it had been like this for 4 days DJ would have averaged 75 which is +12, that's only a 36 shot swing on your calculations...perhaps he should ask Duval for some tips?!
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Seems odd to just cherry pick the amateur. Pretty strong leaderboard other than him compared to some majors. In all likelihood St Andrews will produce another quality winner.
And as for Dunne he's only 22, who knows what sort of career the lad will go on to have? Oosthuizen was 450/1 last time but is not considered a freak winner in hindsight. |
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I consider Ooost a bit of a freak winner to be honest , very talented but completely spineless imo
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Why they playing on a Monday was it weather problems not even watched the open this year
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Yes slip,saturday wiped out by weather
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Looks set up now for Spiffy to bag his 3rd major he plays with no fear,but if the wind does blow Padraig very much comes into it which would be nice
 Got almost everybody in top 20 except Spieth,Garcia and Rose wot to do wot to do. |
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course taken some stick this week but it is set up for a thrilling finish
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Donny, u and me been supporting the course all week against the barrage of abuse from the majority on here set up for a classic finish tomorrow esp if wind gets up.
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St Andrews is what golf is all about been there many times conditions same for all players Nicklaus Watson seve faldo woods all respect it of course it should hold major championships
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St Andrews is awful
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The Jubilee and New Course are both better tests of golf. They may not have the romanticism of the Old course but they are better in every way.
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They need to make the greens smaller, it's taking the short game out of golf. Players putting from 50 yards away when it's chip and run distance. There's obviously a lot of romance to the place though
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I haven't done romance since I got married in St Andrews 40plus years ago the place is golf but I take your point the new and jubilee are both fine courses and good tests of golf but a major championship is about so much more
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Read through the threads I have offered my reasons as to why I think it's awful
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I love St Andrews,i love the game of golf and i unequivocally love the Old course as an Open Championship venue,we agree to differ no harm in that.
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Don't take it personaly everyone is entitled to their opinion but I just disagree probably because I was brought up on links golf in Ireland and spent 4 wonderful years at university in St Andrews but I respect your opinion and your rational perhaps I am just nostalgic as I now live and play golf in Spain god but I miss rain
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Parcels u are a lucky sod to be living and playing golf in Spain,i used to have a villa in Rojales 1/2 hour south of Alicante airport.
Loved it but had to sell as i was hardly ever there in the end.  |
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I admire the R&A for some of the pin positions. The 17th for round 2 was something out of The January Medal.(protect the green for the summer)
I predict for round 4 largely the flags will be tucked away for straightforward pars but very tough birdies as 2010. GL all! . |
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Sorry you had to sell hope you did not lose on it I live not far fromrojales in orihuela Costa yes I know how lucky I am to be living the dream I am an overnight success and it only took 40 years to do it I am off to bed now I have been in golf club watching open all day and its an hour later here but I still miss the rain
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Carnoustie is a far better course for spectators and a much tougher test for the pros.
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I agree on both counts.
However, Carnoustie plays far more heathland than links imo. The 11th is a forgettable hole. |