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vegasdreams
27 Aug 14 12:05
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Just the basics in case anyone's having a crack at the european this week

venue, -Golf Club Torino  -  7,208 yard par 72

Narrow fairways, Tree lined / Parkland course.

Very dense and punishing rough

Greens not too bad - Big but not severe more gradual movement.

Flat course with a few bunkers but little water to speak of.

Nothing really stands out from last years visit here for me, things indicate that accuracy is important but in my eyes its more an all round game, not favouring any particular element.
The winning score last year was -12 only seven players hitting double figures, which would say it's far from an easy course - altho i have took an approach that this course gives lots of chances and feel scores will be alot lower this year, just my personal  view.

Am already in with Eduardo molinari for this, was in on sun/mon grabbed some 30+  - The brothers grew up playing here and know this course inside out, saw a quote of eduardo's during a 4 shot win here in 2009 -  "I play here nearly every day when I’m at home, so I know the course very well." .
with his 2nd in the Irish open and his 7th at hoylake i believe he's playing the best of the brothers and may well runaway with this, 25/1 still a great price imo.

Other bets to follow - Good Luck.
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Report vegasdreams August 27, 2014 1:23 PM BST
you are welcome sandsave - to get a post on a european thread before the final day is a success lol, there is very little interest, everyone loves the names, and the names follow the money, hence the pga gets 99% of the focus on here.
Report padlock August 27, 2014 1:39 PM BST
done ross fisher so far @ 70
Report donny osmond August 27, 2014 2:55 PM BST
burnt beefburger for me

last years winning score would give an interesting result

i think the molinaris will be looking to better that
Report vegasdreams August 27, 2014 3:51 PM BST
at that final score, i think it would be a very very bunched leaderboard.

The rest of mine are a real mixed bag -

Quiros @ 70 win/top 5
Quesne @ 75 win top 5
Otto @ 95 win/top 5
jan derkson @ 150 win/top 10
lipsky @ 210 win/tt
Otaegui @ 270 win/tt
Horne @ 480 win/tt
Walker @ 580 win/tt
Ptr lawrie @ 860 win/tt
Higgins @ 860 win/tt
Lamporta @ 1000 win/tt

cover stake only on francesco - good luck...
Report 1st time poster August 27, 2014 5:00 PM BST
sore kel 66
bourdy 40
webster 80,s
wattel 33,s

al sj,s
Report bannahan August 28, 2014 2:56 AM BST
Alexander Levy for me. Good luck all Wink
Report Can't Catch Me August 28, 2014 7:21 AM BST
Weisberger
Cabrera Bello
Siem

My small team. Good luck
Report Back High Lay Low August 28, 2014 12:18 PM BST
submarines, trains, that guy never stops, what a life
Report vegasdreams August 28, 2014 12:59 PM BST
added pepperall after an scrappy display from eduardo, far from out of it but needs to improve quite a bit.
Report vegasdreams August 28, 2014 3:48 PM BST
eduardo - did he not finish day -2? says -1 now anyone know why?

thanks
Report par August 28, 2014 8:21 PM BST
just need to hit fairways round here, if you aren't hitting it straight off the tee you are going to struggle
Report vegasdreams August 29, 2014 10:15 AM BST
Hennie Otto storming today -6 thru 9 so far today!!! GrinGrin
Report vegasdreams August 29, 2014 10:16 AM BST
must have it set up for scores rafa -8 thru 14 and other -5 -6 .
Report vegasdreams August 29, 2014 11:08 AM BST
-9 thru 14, thats some scoring for otto!!
Report donny osmond August 29, 2014 11:51 AM BST
he must like italian food

3 birds for a 59 ....
Report padlock August 29, 2014 11:58 AM BST
lotto with otto
Report frames August 29, 2014 12:24 PM BST
And a 50 footer to finish.
Report vegasdreams August 29, 2014 12:41 PM BST
doesn't count due to placing but 4 shots better than the course record!!

nice and green here :) good few weeks for me on the European, always been my  preferred tour, at least getting some rewards.
Report Back High Lay Low August 29, 2014 12:54 PM BST
Stevie Gee has Otto in the crosshairs. eagle at the 1st
Report vegasdreams August 29, 2014 1:02 PM BST
am a fan of stevie, did me a good turn the first week i posted on here at a nice price, gunna have to throw in 3 amazing rounds if he's to get the/a ryder cup placing.
Report frames August 29, 2014 3:02 PM BST
Seve esque opening 10 holes for Seve.
Report frames August 29, 2014 3:48 PM BST
Now 3 under for 13 holes with 5 bogeys.
Report vegasdreams August 29, 2014 4:08 PM BST
fair play to him , obviously going for it which is right when u see two so far ahead
Report frames August 29, 2014 4:47 PM BST
Fair play to Gallagher.
Report henrik.L August 29, 2014 7:28 PM BST
Hope Stephen makes the Ryder Cup team on merit, would be  extremely disappointing if McGinley doesn't pick him if he fails to finish top 2. Would be great to have a scot on the team.
Report Chosen® August 30, 2014 11:50 AM BST
Well, someone's got to do it:

Otto looking unbeatable, unfazed, driving straight and true, putting for fun. No way this guy gets caught. No. Way.
Report donny osmond August 30, 2014 11:58 AM BST
Wink
Report Back High Lay Low August 30, 2014 12:39 PM BST
give it hit ross ffs
Report Back High Lay Low August 30, 2014 12:39 PM BST
a hit
Report Back High Lay Low August 30, 2014 1:36 PM BST
that's made things a bit more interesting
Report vegasdreams August 30, 2014 2:31 PM BST
thats a good bounce back, fair play to him.
Report vegasdreams August 30, 2014 2:49 PM BST
ha ha he he - just got £4 @ 1000 a horse in running and it won GrinGrinGrin
Report vegasdreams August 30, 2014 3:11 PM BST
otto 4 clear again now Happy - is there a lottery tonight? Excited
Report frames August 30, 2014 3:54 PM BST
Good old pro rules strike again.
Report jackkat August 30, 2014 3:54 PM BST
How the f does that work he makes a crap shot and gets a free drop to make the shot 100 times better
Report jackkat August 30, 2014 3:57 PM BST
From the original spot he had a path and a bunker in his way he get's a free drop to make the shot 100% clear come on golfers explain that for me
Report frames August 30, 2014 3:58 PM BST
Pros play different rules ,cheating is encouraged.They all do it.Lord knows what they get up to when the cameras are away.
Report Back High Lay Low August 31, 2014 8:09 AM BST
59 watch on Hahn

-8 thru 10
Report sevey August 31, 2014 8:43 AM BST
Bet The Young Yank at 110 after the 1st Round 2 late Now
Report frames August 31, 2014 8:48 AM BST
That's the end of that then.
Report frames August 31, 2014 8:51 AM BST
Can't see the golf coverage on the Sky planner ,red button I assume .Anyone know what time it starts ?
Report sandsave August 31, 2014 8:54 AM BST
Noon I think
Report sevey August 31, 2014 8:56 AM BST
Mid Day Sky 4
Report sandsave August 31, 2014 8:58 AM BST
Yeah Sky 4 which is now illogically 405 Crazy
Report frames August 31, 2014 9:01 AM BST
Thanks.On my planner it has Sky sports classics all day on 405
Report sandsave August 31, 2014 9:04 AM BST
Maybe it will be a classic Happy
Report frames August 31, 2014 9:13 AM BST
Wow,8 under thru 15 with a quad.
Report Kelly August 31, 2014 10:10 AM BST
3 eagles in his round , plus a 7 . Spectators ( free all week apparently ) got their moneys worth !
Report vegasdreams August 31, 2014 12:22 PM BST
wonder if he will tell them himself?
Report frames August 31, 2014 12:22 PM BST
2 shot penalty ?
Report vegasdreams August 31, 2014 12:24 PM BST
will be i think
Report vegasdreams August 31, 2014 12:25 PM BST
judgement - he hit the ball, not complicated?!
Report vegasdreams August 31, 2014 12:27 PM BST
did not know u can touch it, if theres no movement? or is that cos it's placement?
Report ashleigh August 31, 2014 12:29 PM BST
radar informs ramsay, but not hotto.Laugh
Report ashleigh August 31, 2014 12:30 PM BST
otto.
Report GRANTCKING August 31, 2014 12:30 PM BST
oh dear there goes his reputation
Report frames August 31, 2014 12:31 PM BST
Interesting punting ahead.
Report vegasdreams August 31, 2014 12:31 PM BST
ramsey will tell him and nowt else said imo, get the penalty tho
Report Back High Lay Low August 31, 2014 12:32 PM BST
molinari only has to make contact for a round of applause
Report GRANTCKING August 31, 2014 12:35 PM BST
they need to hurry up with this ruling, this isnt right
Report Back High Lay Low August 31, 2014 12:36 PM BST
no penalty
Report GRANTCKING August 31, 2014 12:36 PM BST
NO PENALTY
Report GRANTCKING August 31, 2014 12:36 PM BST
lmao, thats a joke
Report book August 31, 2014 12:38 PM BST
that is a joke,should have been a penalty
Report BARROWBOY August 31, 2014 12:38 PM BST
Hes a lucky boy with that penalty decision especially after his drop at the 18th yesterday
Report jackkat August 31, 2014 12:38 PM BST
So he hits the ball but no penalty very very strange
Report GRANTCKING August 31, 2014 12:39 PM BST
whoever snapped up the 2/1 on 365 is laughing
Report jackkat August 31, 2014 12:40 PM BST
Yep plus the drop on 18 looks like all the rules boys are on Hennie Laugh
Report Ouspenski August 31, 2014 12:42 PM BST
Is it just me or is anybody else singing the old spitting image song "ive never met a nice south african" after that ruling? It was the correct ruling tho cos it came back to its original spot but Otto should have told his partner.
Report trebor August 31, 2014 12:42 PM BST
I think he is very lucky that McFee gave the ruling and not Paramore
Report vegasdreams August 31, 2014 12:46 PM BST
never knew that and seems is a proper rule, that u can touch the ball , have it rested against the ball before u make backswing.
doesn't apply here imo as the ball moved but gunna try that next time i play.
Report BARROWBOY August 31, 2014 12:48 PM BST
seen penalties given for exactly the same thing in past tournaments,some rules in golf are plain daft,if hed done that off the tee it would have been enough to knock the ball off the peg
Report vegasdreams August 31, 2014 12:49 PM BST
fellow scot helping out stevie g , missing the birdies, he could get that auto spot yet!
Report vegasdreams August 31, 2014 12:51 PM BST
barrow - just read thats actually allowed aswell, tapping ball on a tee and it falls off is no penalty.
Report GRANTCKING August 31, 2014 12:53 PM BST

Aug 31, 2014 -- 12:51PM, vegasdreams wrote:


barrow - just read thats actually allowed aswell, tapping ball on a tee and it falls off is no penalty.


aslong as it doesnt go ahead of the tee markers

Report trebor August 31, 2014 12:59 PM BST
It can finish anywhere as long as you where not intending to hit the ball
Report ashleigh August 31, 2014 1:01 PM BST
come on steve,Excited
Report GRANTCKING August 31, 2014 1:02 PM BST
gallgher deserves to play in the ryder cup, well done to him
Report GRANTCKING August 31, 2014 1:13 PM BST
this boy is addicted to pulling his irons
Report padlock August 31, 2014 1:14 PM BST
f fisher Angry
Report Tom August 31, 2014 1:17 PM BST
Anyone else sick to death of RC chat?!! The way they are talking about SG's back 9 on Friday being better than when he was -10 for last 10 holes in Dubai when he won...
Report Kelly August 31, 2014 1:18 PM BST
Ross Fisher putted well for a couple of days .  Back to his norm today though , looks afraid to hit the putt . Flight back to America to Stockton ?
Report GRANTCKING August 31, 2014 1:22 PM BST
otto v gallgher confimred
Report GRANTCKING August 31, 2014 1:23 PM BST
gallagher just won the tournament
Report ashleigh August 31, 2014 1:27 PM BST
would think not good viewing for lee westwood.
Report GRANTCKING August 31, 2014 1:40 PM BST
lmao why the hell is otto hitting a 6 iron there
Report GRANTCKING August 31, 2014 1:40 PM BST
maybe he doesnt realise gallgher is only 1 back
Report vegasdreams August 31, 2014 1:45 PM BST
Hmm strange one lol, the in running horse bet from yesterday, i've just found out was a friends lay i matched, i speak/text with this person 7 days a week!! lol funny old game!!
Report Back High Lay Low August 31, 2014 2:29 PM BST
howell storming home
Report curious-cat August 31, 2014 2:48 PM BST
vegasdreams     31 Aug 14 13:45 

Is it true that when betfair began you knew who you were matched against ?
Report curious-cat August 31, 2014 2:50 PM BST
'Otto should buy a couple of lottery tickets ' - Wayne Riley
Report vegasdreams August 31, 2014 2:53 PM BST
not as far as i know mate - this is just coincidence, one of the originals as far as 1000 layers go, but dont think the info has ever been available to anyone.
Report frames August 31, 2014 2:56 PM BST
They love a drama.No chance of Gallagher not getting a pick for me.
Report GRANTCKING August 31, 2014 3:18 PM BST
otto could well be the best puller of a golf ball in the world, every shot is missed left, hes consistent
Report frames August 31, 2014 3:20 PM BST
How he and Gallagher are both bogey free today is a miracle.
Report GRANTCKING August 31, 2014 3:26 PM BST
yeh theres no way mcginley wont be picking gallagher
Report frames August 31, 2014 3:43 PM BST
Incredible.Call the engraver.
Report frames August 31, 2014 4:08 PM BST
Born again christian ,no wonder he's looking up.
Report BARROWBOY August 31, 2014 4:37 PM BST
Well somehow he won it but the penalty controversy leaves a nasty taste
Report vegasdreams August 31, 2014 11:04 PM BST
bah! bottleless sky make no mention of the shot/touch, would be a good talking point.
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