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What a dump, surprised the field is this good...
What a dump, surprised the field is this good...
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Garcia not playing??.....he was part of the design team of this course.
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What specifically makes it a dump, therhino? I've played the course and it's a tough examination, especially of your short game, which makes me surprised more players don't use it as a warm up for Augusta. My only complaint is some of it feels a bit gimmicky, they have a double green on 2/7 and a bunker in the middle of the 16th which is quirky on a 100-year-old course but feels a bit contrived on a brand new one. Have played a few other PGA courses and can't really say this one stood out in a good or bad way.
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Ok KR, not a dump, none of the courses they play on tour are dumps. My local is a dump and my local looks nothing like this. My least favourite tour track is the correct terminology. The bunker in the green (don't like Rivieras either), the bland piece of land on which its built, the lack of any really memorable holes.
Not a dump, least favourite, but that just sounds so boring... |
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Looks like plenty of players agree with you, dropping like flies.
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It's interesting as I have played it before and it is a seriously tough examination of your golf game. It was in great condition but just very tough. It may sound strange but it is a much more interesting course to play than some Tour venues. The most obvious one being TPC Scottsdale. Looks fantastic on tv and is actually interesting down the stretch but is seriously bland without the stands. TPC SA is in a different league to it. Another course hated by the pros is Dove Mountain. Again one of the best courses you will ever play.
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Almost every discussion I've heard today on this course has included a mention of how the players supposedly can't stand it
 Don't really care as long as we can find a few at juicy prices to go close haha. Good luck everyone  The PGA Tour takes a trip to The Lone Star State this week for The Valero Texas Open. The AT&T Oaks Course was opened in 2010 and is a tough Par 72 layout designed by Greg Norman & Sergio Garcia. With tight fairways and deep bunkers previous good results here and a high level of driving accuracy are two things we’ll be paying close attention to this week. 2011 Champion Brendan Steele is having a very solid season with two Top 10s and one Top 25 in his past five PGA Tour starts. He clearly thrives here on The AT&T Oaks Course as he followed up his victory with a 4th place finish in 2012. At Ladbrokes 40/1 he looks a stand-out bet. Florida native Billy Horschel has a very strong all round game and it comes as no surprise to see he finished 3rd here last year. He currently sits 9th in Driving Accuracy on The PGA Tour Official Stats so at 50/1 he looks well worth an each way investment. Aaron Baddeley can be a frustrating talent at times but he certainly knows how to get the job done and this 3 time PGA Tour winner looks very tempting at 80/1. He has an outstanding short game but more interesting is the fact that he drove the ball very well at the Arnold Palmer Invitational last week on his way to a respectable 35th place finish. His two appearances here in San Antonio have yielded excellent results of 3rd and 15th so he looks all set for a huge performance this week. 22 year old South Korean Seung-Yul Noh is a massive talent and he is beginning to show some very striking consistency on Tour having made ten consecutive cuts this season. He won last year on the Web.com Tour and also has two victories in Asia to his name so it looks just a matter of time before he adds a first PGA Tour victory to his collection. With an impressive 13th place finish here on his debut in 2012 he has all the tools to make the golfing world sit up and take notice this week. At 80/1 I am prepared to take a chance to find out. Happy punting  Cuyahoga Valero Texas Open B Steele 40/1 B Horschel 50/1 A Baddeley 80/1 S-Y Noh 80/1 http://greatgolfballsoffire.wordpress.com/ |
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also backed steele 40/1 and billy horschel 50/1 so far
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Branden grace 125/1 .. he out of form or something?
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Ted Potter Jr 150/1
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Looking forward to placing my Goodwill Free Bet this week, trouble is my best bet is 200+ points bigger on the exchanges than the Sportsbook.
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I've taken a chance on Jason Bohn and Troy Matteson this week
Bohn 560/50 Matteson 1000/140 |
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The PGA tour leaves Florida this week and heads to Texas for two weeks leading up to the Masters. The San Antonio Oaks course is a tough test especially if the wind gets up and outsiders have a very good record. Brendan Steele would be my number one pick and I got some money on at 55/1 on Betfair Sunday night knowing that everyone and his dog would be on but taking 33/1 and shorter will not earn you money in the long run. Instead I have come up with a couple of value plays on players who have won more often than Steele and at much bigger prices.
The Greg Norman designed course apparently reminded the winner of the first event here - Adam Scott of courses at home on the Mornington Peninsula and I will go for fellow Australian Aaron Baddeley to maintain his good record here. When Scott won in 2010 Baddeley was only two shots back in third and he played solidly again last year on his only other start when 15th. There does seem to be some correlation with another TPC course at Scottsdale where one of his three PGA tour wins came. His game hinges around how well he putts and this weeks greens are not your typical Bermuda ones as they have Poa-Ana in them as well and often West Coast players seem to perform better and I think this will suit the Australian - 0.5 ew 80/1 My pick from left field is Texan Sean O'Hair - although in truth he left his home state at an early age! He has been in the doldrums for a while saying that he was taking advice from too many people and had too many different thoughts in his head when standing over the ball. In the Fall he got rid of them all and got his card back in the Web.com finals series but things haven't gone according to plan until recently. In late February he returned to his old coach Sean Foley and last week we saw the first signs of what maybe things to come. He got a sponsors invite and on his final hole on Friday he had to sink an 18 footer for par just to make the cut. He duly knocked it in and it seemed to ignite something as over the weekend he was the joint lowest scorer and climbed into a tie for 10th. He managed to hit 15 of 18 greens in both those rounds ending up 3rd for GIR on the week and he will need that around here. He is a good player of tough courses - his winning score at Innisbrook and Shaughnessy were both only 4 under so I think the venue will suit - 0.3 ew 150/1 |
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Best bet this week Tim Wilkinson 500+. Failed to make the cut here twice 09,10 but only by a shot and were some of his best efforts in those seasons. T2 6 years ago his best PGA Tour finish.Had 2 Top 10's in 11 starts this season which looks like being his best ever. In final group Sunday Pebble Beach a couple of months ago and if he is going to win a tournament it will probably be at a course he's played well before i.e this one. Big odds for a live chance imo.
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Merlin - they have only been playing here since 2010
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Phil Mickelson 18/1
If he's healthy 18/1 looks like a big price to me, has possibly the best short game in the world which will be required round here, and when he gets hot he'll win this, simple. I just feel his chances are better than the odds in this weakish field. Zach Johnson 20/1 Won this event twice albeit on a different track. Has won twice recently with Tiger World Challenge and Kapalua. Driving accuracy very good which will be required round here, not particularly long but I don't think that's a major issue, if you've got a 590 yard par 5 into wind, nobody is reaching it so that negates the long hitters advantage. Awesome short game, current form (past 6 months) very very good. Billy Horschel 40/1 Right up there in total driving and came 3rd here last year after leading going into the final round. Good scrambler too although the stats may not suggest this, he came 3rd or 4th in the us open last year in very difficult conditions so I feel Billy is ready for his next win, round a track he has played well before. Brian Gay 175/1 Each Way Brian is a very short hitter but as mentioned before I don't think that's a major problem round here he can still birdie the par 5's playing them in 3 shots with his accurate wedge play. Great putter, accurate off the tee (although stats don't back this up), fantastic short game and brilliant with a short iron in his hand. |
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time for big brendan to step forward,
100 to 1 ew |
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Kevin Chappell - £370
Will McKenzie - £440 Jason Leonard - £1340 Morgan Hoffman - £1540 Ben Crane - £2140 Jason Bohn - £2940 The Field - £60 Missed out the big prices on Bohn, still value though. Looking to trade out the big prices............ GL..... |
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3 for me
brendan steele 40/ billy horshell 50/1 arron baddely 85/1 gl all |
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Palmer +1166
Jacobsen +650 Hoffman +1030 Kokrak +1040 The field -36 Steele, Vegas and M. Thompson top 10 |
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Charlie Wi - bookies 151, Betfair 450.
I always think I'm getting a good deal on Betfair, but looking at his performances this season, it looks like 450 is right, and 151 is way out??? |
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seems like a week for outsiders.........normally in run up to majors the principals are tweaking games towards same........althought phil managed back to backs last year with the scottish and brittish opens.........
this week im looking at couple of outsiders managed to get some 50s on horshel.....he came alive this time last year two top fives and a win at new orleans.......hes tweeted he feels his game is best its been all year just needs a few putts fall. as muppet said lot to like about ohairs performance last week 180s here last pick is b grace looked to be destined to top with four victories in 2012 but hot and cold since but just hoping may have big week 160s here had a 2nd in st africa earlier in year......... gd luck with ur selections |
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Walker and Speith backed to lay and waiting on a match for my Kuchar bet. Matt is proving a very solid performer in the betting market as there is little or no money being matched at the current asking price. Another chance of free money this week as Phil puts in another effort before the big one at Augusta. Funny enough I have to give him an e.w. chance in the Masters.
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It's not every day you see $190K trying to back a player. Someone (TMMIDWI?) is feeling bullish!
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Phil's a gambler ain't he ?
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Haha, it would be cool to see a player bet that much on themselves. Patrick Reed would do it for sure
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All the favourites just got smashed in the betting. Reminds me of the action last week when Tiger withdrew. I wonder who is out this week.
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If there is someone out this morning, Kris Blanks wont be replacing them.
https://twitter.com/krisblanks Kris Blanks @krisblanks 10h Heading to Lafayette. Got to 1st alternate in Valero but decided to make sure I play in a tournament this week. |
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how much of the 190K will be matched before tee off? 2, 3, 5 maybe?
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Is a player allowed to bet on himself???
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Any reason he shouldn't be ?
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I can't imagine that would be acceptable behavior in the United States, perhaps elsewhere though.
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I just thought that with so much match fixing etc. going on, I'm surprised that any player is allowed to bet in anything they're involved in.
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Probably not Phil himself, although I've noticed in the past when these single mega-lumps appear it's more or less always on Phil, so I daresay it's someone connected to him. Phil is pretty inconsistent but is a regular closer when he's playing well, so it'd make sense if someone close to him knows he's up for it to want a big bet on.
Butch is known to like a bet. In fact, I remember big lumps appearing for another of his students and then about an hour later on Sky Butch saying he had a strong feeling the player would win! Could be connected to him. That or Eddie or KR are just having a mid-sized dabble to warm up for the Masters. |
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It's really opened my eyes! I never realised people had SO much in their Betfair accounts etc.
Phew! And there's me trying to get my £2 bet matched!  |
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Wonder if the 'keep at in-play' button has been pushed cos it's all pointless if it hasn't with an hour to go.
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The money was up there last night. Shows how tough it is to get a big bet matched. It also shows how few big players there actually are on here. The PC wont have helped obviously.
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Not a big enough event to attract all the big fish. You would be ok or go close at least on major weeks but just not enough interest here.
TB - How much better was liquidity for these events back in the day? Got bored the other day and went back to the last pages on the golf forum. Was blown away. 400 odds post for a day 1 of the Sony Open or some equivalent tourney. Was a regular thing it seemed. Can only imagine the liquidity was in line with the forum interest? Was only a few years ago... |