Why the penalty for Rory????

someone phoned in

2shot penalty---2nd hole

Are you sure someone phoned in? At the end of the round, Gonzalez's caddy was talking to him intently.

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These fooking armchair asses... Why don`t they keep their eagle eyed opinions about micro infringements to themselves. Wannabe commentators. I`d like a few minutes in a room with the dickhead. Rory will still win despite this!!!

do you think infringements should be ignored singing the blues or is it your pocket talking?

Rory McIlroy was left to rue an incorrect drop early in his round today as it cost him two shots and second place at the Abu Dhabi Championship.
McIlroy had birdied the 18th to complete a 68 and seemingly finish 11 under par, one shot behind Craig Lee who had compiled a 69.
However, it then emerged that a drop McIlroy had taken from a spectator crossing on the second hole had been questioned and was under scrutiny.
It was brought to light before McIlroy signed his card and the former world number one and European Tour chief referee John Paramor went back out to the scene of the incident in an attempt to resolve the issue.

The 2nd hole was not shown on TV was it?

maybe it was gonza who grassed

caddie

John Paramor: "Rory’s ball came to rest in a marked gallery crosswalk to the left of the second fairway from which relief is available under the rules, as if it’s a piece of ground under repair. He found what he thought to be his nearest point of relief where the ball was outside and when he dropped the ball within a club’s length, when he actually stood to the ball, his left foot was standing on or just over the line demarking the area of ground under repair which is treated as part of the ground under repair. Therefore he has not taken full relief and he is in breach of the Rule 25/1, the penalty for which is two strokes."

You`re sharp puggy, of course I am...

very harsh

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it's like your in a parking bay & traffic warden gives you ticket for being outside the white line

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Rory should withdraw in protest. Total farce by the tour and John Paramor. Golf dinosaurs rear their ugly head again

John Paramor just upholding the rules of golf, maybe Rory should read the rules of golf instead of withdrawing. If John Paramor did not impose the 2 shot penalty he would probably be sacked as a referee. Its the rules of golf that should be changed. Having said that, its not the first time Rory has been penalised for rules infringements.

new rule to me

Puggy... You seem to know a lot about golf... Can you give me your view of how Rory improved his position by breaking this rule???

when you get relief you must take full relief...an example if your ball is on a cartpath you must drop away, one or both feet must not be on the cartpath for the next shot....rory stood on the line so did not take full relief....even though it did not improve his position that is the rule,  it amazes me that rory or his caddie were not aware of that arter all their years out there...it seems Gonzalo`s caddie was well aware of the rule.....unfortunate for Rory backers but it was his fault, he was penalised in the same event last year.

if gonzo caddie said,Rory can I show you relief

as far as i am aware it is against the rules for a player or opposing caddie to advise or give information that would give an advantage to a player, for example a player or caddie can look in as opposing players bag to see what club he used but cant ask.

That's rubbish players consult all the time about situations they're unsure of.

But a guy who earns millions from the game each year can't be rsed to fully understand the rules of the game.....incredible!

This incident, which I believe to be a correct ruling as it was mentioned in some U.S. player last year when same thing happened on a path but the golfer knew the rule and anyway there was an official present to advise him BEFORE he played. I feel sorry for Rory in this instance as some golfers are trying to hurry the game up by not calling for ref decisions for every niggling thing. m certain Rory will use this as a positive. Fancy him to win now but not at the price he is. If Rory does not win, then the sp bookies will have a beano on this competitions and I think most doubles with the Humana will also go down the drain. Rory and Harris would be a sore result for them. Best of luck to all.

Just to go on a tangent. There is one bookie giving an offer on horses backed anti post for the Cheltenham Festival in March. If you horse does not run you get a free bet instead. I am recommending to fellow forumites to have the following bets to whatever stakes they are used to. Sprintre Sacre in the Champion Chase and Hurricane Fly in the Champion Hurdle. 2 Singles and a double. Cheers.

"I'm going to go and hit the gym so hard," McIlroy said. "I'm going to run myself into the ground to try to get some of the frustration out. There are a lot of stupid rules in golf and this is one of them."

McIlroy added that he "had better things to think about" than keeping up with golf's rules

why would a driver learn the Highway Code

Rory McIlroy was left to rue an incorrect drop early in his round today as it cost him two shots and second place at the Abu Dhabi Championship.
McIlroy had birdied the 18th to complete a 68 and seemingly finish 11 under par, one shot behind Craig Lee who had compiled a 69.
However, it then emerged that a drop McIlroy had taken from a spectator crossing on the second hole had been questioned and was under scrutiny.
It was brought to light before McIlroy signed his card and the former world number one and European Tour chief referee John Paramor went back out to the scene of the incident in an attempt to resolve the issue.



i find it staggering that any golfer, in contention, does anything without having a ruling at point of doing it.

staggering !!!

He's, i mean i'm feckin lucky it was pointed out to him before he signed his card or he would have been DQ.

Dont know why Xmoneyx etc are amazed.Surely this is a basic rule ie if you are entitled to relief and you take it you MUST take relief.Nothing to do with improving your lie or shot !Its the same as taking relief from a mole hill etc if you take relief and the nearest point is in thick rough then so be it!! We all must go by the rules and choose our options after!!!!!!

Schoolboy error by Rors, nearest possible relief outside the GUR.
Straight forward really.
Im just a little perplexed at how he finds out about the possible infringement, from his playing partners caddy as he walks off the 18th green, very unusual situation in my book.

I thought 1 club length not nearest hole

tators always talk about the full relief thing when a player drops near cart paths etc. its very common. either a rookie mistake or he hoped noone cared enough.

regardless, correct decision. i dont think its a silly rule to be honest.

Have not seen the incident as I am away .  However sounds like another of the "bringing golf into disrepute rules". I assume Rory did not gain any advantage playing the shot . The main criteria I apply to any rules  in golf are that they are fair and based on common sense . Increasingly I find issue with a lot of them despite a lifetime observing them .

Costs him the win . Tough for anyone who backed him .  But he swung well and looks better than last year .

I can understand the caddie telling him after the 18th, if he told him at the time he did it then it would have knocked him back mentally. He let him finish his round with a clear head and then told him

this is a rule that rarely catches out even club golfers who are not renowned for their knowledge of the rules "you must take full relief" is an expression you hear trotted out very frequently.

the tour pros have a lot to think about when applying the rules, you have the rules of the game, club local rules, and special local rules for the particular tour event, it's easy to get mixed up, but players at that level of the game get a lot of assistance from various sources but occasionally fall foul, and i'm afraid have to accept the consequences.

to those who question the actions of the other players caddy i would say, he has no input re the drop unless he was specifically asked, and quite frankly i reckon he did rory a favour by making him aware that it might have been an illegal drop before he signed his card.

Yes it's been a point of conjecture for Centuries

Is a Tug called Taking Full Relief if there's no vinegar Stroke ???

Jan 19, 2014 -- 2:07AM, Kelly wrote:

Have not seen the incident as I am away .

quote function fkd again

I wrote

"full relief" rule is fair enough as it is meant to stop a golfer claiming that he is impeded just to get a better lie or line and dropping the ball still within the area of the impediment.

his foot was on white line---rough

Rory's caddie failed to notice

Obviously he decides where his nearest point of relief is not nearer the hole, then he drops within one club lenght of this point.
Having dropped his ball, he takes his stance to see if he is totally clear of the GUR he is taking relief from, and then proceeds to play .
Gonzalez s caddy , if he was in the vicinity should step in and have a word in JPs ear, dont you think ??
Rory and JP are at fault but how is it that Gonzalez s caddy is aware of the infringement on the 18 th green unless he spotted it at the time?

I can be excused of pocket talking, but im with Fringe here. Why can Gonzalez caddy not give Rory the heads up at the time?? He is obviously the only one that noticed the transgression. Tv cameras did not show it. As Rory said, they had to go back and look at the divot, to confirm the foot fault. So Gonzalez caddy is obviously pretty fuc*in close to the play. Why not say to JP, give your boy the heads up?? Bad form in my opinion.
Obviously it is not certain that Rory would have won, plenty could have gone differently today, different pairings for a start, but as a backer I certainly would have preferred Rory to have got a word from said caddy about 4 hours earlier than he did!!
It could have saved him 3 shots, not just the two shot penalty.

Because if he had, Gonzales would most likely been penalised
2 strokes.

And caddie would now be looking for a new job.

Dont get that, your saying neither Gonzo or his caddy can advise Rory or JP at the time ?
Its a ruling were talking about not advise on a particular shot , or am i missing something ?

i think that a player initially asks his marker, presumably the markers caddy can have some input, or am i wrong?

the player is not asking for advice, but a factual question on a ruling, is this differnt?

i think that a player initially asks his marker, presumably the markers caddy can have some input, or am i wrong?

the player is not asking for advice, but a factual question on a ruling, is this differnt?

Northern Irishman McIlroy said: “I’ve played the tournament in one shot less than everyone else and still not got the trophy.”   

does that include phils double hit rory,or is it only you that can cry about the rules,

triple bogey