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therhino
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How are people looking at this? 2003 was a bit of a shock and gives us zero help, top 4 would have paid a mozza that year. Very tight, tree lined course that has a sort of Firestone look to it, so that's where I've been looking for a bit of guidance.
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Report three_for_it August 7, 2013 4:54 PM BST
Gone with a team of six in this :

Zach Johnson - e/w @ 50s first 6.

Kaymer - e/w @ 66s first 6.

Haas - e/w @ 66s first 6.

Furyk - e/w @ 80s first 6.

Jimenez - Top 5 @ 35s with the bookies and win only on here @ 190s.

Stroud - Top 5 @ 66s with the bookies and win only on here @ 870s.


Good luck with yours!
Report Mighty Whites 2008 August 7, 2013 4:55 PM BST
.i do think the BBC should have a dedicated golf channel - it would be the best in the world.

would they show the winner playing the front nine on this channel?
Report deansthemann August 7, 2013 5:09 PM BST
would they also feck off peter aliss as their main man as well plz
Report lockup August 7, 2013 5:11 PM BST
Snedeker 28s needs to avoid doubles but playing well.
Day      60s must win one soon overpriced.
stricker 60s if hits greens in reg bust putter on show.
Matsuyama100s massive talent has he got the bottle.
English  100s good young talent has the game.
Casey    150s impressive in Ireland knows how to win.
Report Quincy August 7, 2013 5:12 PM BST
Cut it back to 49, Ski.Cool
Report First 59 August 7, 2013 5:55 PM BST
one bet richard sterne.
Report sheppy123 August 7, 2013 6:53 PM BST
First 59 - Phew! That's confidence for you!

By the time the damn thing starts I don't think they'll be many players I haven't bet on!!!
Report toberaheena August 7, 2013 7:30 PM BST
I have done an unusual play for me. Having already had a nice bet at 80,s on Haas, I have backed the top 6 players in the Betfair market without any reason other than I am pretty certain we will not have a winner at 100,s or bigger. Not a big outlay but hope that I can latch on to the winner at some point and trade accordingly. No rocket science. Just an experiment. @ Quince.... cell phone giving me a bit of bother. Apologies for not getting back to you. Heres hoping for a more interesting tournament than we had last week. Best of luck to everybody and enjoy the golf. Would be brilliant to get a US V Rest of the World finish coming up the 72nd on Sunday. Funny feeling Rory might start playing solid golf again. Too much to ask him to win at present but golf sort of needs someone to rival Tiger.
Report toberaheena August 7, 2013 7:35 PM BST
And nearly forgot to wish Shane Lowry a decent weekend. Making the cut would be good to start the week. This guy has an amazing talent. Just needs to believe.
Report xmoneyx August 7, 2013 7:46 PM BST
5 live tonight 9pm---1030pm

uspga special preview

Ian carter
Report Try My Best August 7, 2013 8:30 PM BST
I think Tiger will piss it this week. 15th major on the way and he won't need driver on this course
Report SamH_123 August 7, 2013 8:33 PM BST
"Between 2 and 5 times, depends on wind and conditions." - Tiger Woods on how many times he'll use driver at Oak Hill

seen that reported quite a few times on twitter
Report padlock August 7, 2013 8:33 PM BST
any tv prieview tonight?
Report xmoneyx August 7, 2013 8:43 PM BST
euro tour weekly--taped it,still to watch
Report sewter lives again August 7, 2013 8:47 PM BST
i think Luiten will have a good week and have done him for top 10/20 and e/w

also

Cabrera-bello ew and top 10/20
Donalson e/w
Matsuyama
Report sheppy123 August 7, 2013 8:58 PM BST
Sonny Skinner - that's some name isn't it! Sounds like somebody in a punk band!
Report Geesyerdosh August 7, 2013 9:54 PM BST
Not as good as Kohki Idoki Silly
Report Mike-lfc August 7, 2013 9:58 PM BST
Don't know whether to do small stake on Mcilroy or big stake on Woods.
Report padlock August 7, 2013 10:05 PM BST
the radio5 prieview is pi$$ poor Sad
Report xmoneyx August 7, 2013 10:15 PM BST
2003 Tongue Out
Report padlock August 7, 2013 10:20 PM BST
ye i thought it was 2013 Confused
Report golfdaft August 7, 2013 10:50 PM BST
I always view the US PGA as the poor cousin of all the Majors, the one I look forward to the least, however, this years event at Oak Hill in New York, should prove to be a wonderful event.

This is a true test of golf and if the forecast rain stays away, then expect anyone under par to be finishing inside the top 5. Its a little known fact that there have been over 1000 players who have competed in events at Oak Hill with only six finishing under par, you have been warned.

So what is the profile we are looking for as a potential winner ? For my money its a street fighter, a Jack Russell, a battler, someone who grind out the pars under the most searching of tests.

There will be many who look to Tiger after an impressive fifth win of the season last week at Firestone. He is truly remarkable at delivering multiple wins at tracks he favours. Believe me when I tell you, he wont be winning here.

Besides, Tiger has never won any event on a Donald Ross designed golf course, how is that for a killer fact ??

My idea of the winner for the last couple of weeks has been Zach Johnson. The former Masters winner has struck a rich vein of form in recent weeks, he followed his runner up to Jordon Speith with a super showing in the Open at Muirfield and if the putter had been hotter, he may have snatched the spoils from Lefty.

Johnson isnt long, but length isnt the key factor here, accuracy and determination are and my man has both in abundance. He is around 33/1 with conventional bookmakers but you can still take 50 with Betfair on the exchange.

Ian Poulter polarizes opinion but one thing is for sure, he is a big time player and tough courses suit both his game and his character. It would be fitting if the man who came through the PGA ranks here in the UK, starting out as a pro shop assistant , can make his first Major, the US PGA, the pinnacle for all PGA professionals. He is fresh from a vintage Poulter charge at The Open and he likes the course her in New York, I fancy he will contend and will be in the mix come Sunday. At 80 with Betfair he represents some real value.

Was I the only person in the world to back YE Yang when he took down the Tiger ? Maybe ! Perhaps this year we may see a repeat from another golfer from the Far East, this time in the shape of Hideki Matsuyama. The young Japanese superstar looks a real talent and appears to have a temperament to match. He is accurate from the tee and strong with his irons and although its perhaps early in his career to expect a Major, I rather fancy he might make the frame at least this week. His current Betfair price of 130 looks about right to me.

My two outsiders for the week are; Manny Manassero at 210 and David Lingmerth at a massive 320. We all know that the former can win anywhere and although he is yet to deliver on US soil, he has the pedigree of a Major winner. Lingmerth has crept into the reckoning several times this season and we very impressed with him at the Players Championship where he all but won the event. He looks calm and collected as most Swedes are and I fancy he may ruffle a few feathers this week.

For my sideshow bets I will be going large on a hole in one here at Oak Hill, I will even predict that the sixth hole will be the location to deliver us some easy pickings.

A final word for Matt Jones, the young Australian who plays on the US Tour is said to have found some real consistency in practice so he might be worth a wee interest at an obscene 440

Good Luck
Report SamH_123 August 7, 2013 11:18 PM BST
great post golfdaft.  how common are Donald Ross designed golf courses though?
Report Mighty Whites 2008 August 7, 2013 11:22 PM BST
Besides, Tiger has never won any event on a Donald Ross designed golf course, how is that for a killer fact ??

He won at East Lake in 2007.

In fairness there aren't that mant ross designs on tour these days
Report xmoneyx August 7, 2013 11:43 PM BST
only 250 golfers hav won a major
Report xmoneyx August 8, 2013 12:10 AM BST
Rory's new house--sorry I mean museum Cool






http://www.pgatour.com/tourreport/2013/08/07/exclusive-look--inside-rory-s-c...
Report toberaheena August 8, 2013 12:13 AM BST
The question was asked earlier....unsure which thread....... as to whether or not 5/1 was available on Tiger. My answer would be ..not yet..... and my basis for this is that if you look at oddschecker........ all the 5.5 that is available from the vast majority is in the pink colour that indicates support is drifting. Somebody will take the bull by the horns tomorrow morning and offer that 5/1. My opinion only..... a possible problem here is that if it one of the bigger firms, they will have it as a special in their shops for a specific time. I would always ring my local independent bookie and ask for a price. There are a few real bookies left out there.

It would be a master stroke for Betfair to go the 5,s on Sportsbook sp odds. Take on those High Street cowboys.
Report uptheboro August 8, 2013 12:28 AM BST
I fancy Snedecker and Rose so stuck £50 each-way on both, for a bit of interestHappy
Report ericthecat August 8, 2013 1:13 AM BST
Good post golf daft

Agree on Zach. He is now level in my book. Taken more on Toms and Gay.
Report pantsonfire August 8, 2013 6:27 AM BST
toberaheena, you have a local independent? Brings back memories of the old forum legend, the late great NASHWAN.
Report Rite_on_line August 8, 2013 8:13 AM BST
I go for Darren Clarke    good price
Report VillaBoy August 8, 2013 9:09 AM BST
Luke Donald and Webb Simpson both ew are my only two bets so far.
Report Deplasterer August 8, 2013 9:19 AM BST
Money has come for Sneds this past day or so.

Rite on line, in order to post in max's golf comp, you needed to sign up about 8 months ago mateLaugh
Report ericthecat August 8, 2013 10:12 AM BST
Just added Lynn at 990 had a good year. There is some real value on very good players who can win at 800s
Report sheppy123 August 8, 2013 10:12 AM BST
Is it me or do the odds of a lot of good players really stand out in this tournament.

Because of this I've spent far more than I usually do, and backed a lot more players.

I need to turn my computer off so I don't start adding any more to my lengthy list!

(Backed 31 so far, some backed more than once due to the psychology of their odds increasing!)
Report incaseof August 8, 2013 10:18 AM BST
Koepka was 200s for The Open now 900s for US PGA..
Uihlen if he was in The Open he probably would be around 200s as well now 900s
Casey at 270s and Blixt at 550s looks quite big as well
Report Topboys August 8, 2013 10:22 AM BST
Great insight golfdaft. I've got E/W on Kaymer, Jones, Sned, Westy and Zach Johnson. Last two majors I have been one shot off a bet missing out on E/W So hoping for more luck here! Good luck all.
Report Topboys August 8, 2013 10:22 AM BST
Great insight golfdaft. I've got E/W on Kaymer, Jones, Sned, Westy and Zach Johnson. Last two majors I have been one shot off a bet missing out on E/W So hoping for more luck here! Good luck all.
Report Deplasterer August 8, 2013 10:27 AM BST
Wanted to top up on Simpson but his price has retracted too much, so had a few more on Luke, top heavy on Snedeker though, cest la vie.
Report Total Bosman August 8, 2013 10:36 AM BST
Kuchar lost a limb?
Report HeinzGuderian August 8, 2013 10:37 AM BST

Aug 7, 2013 -- 6:13PM, toberaheena wrote:

The question was asked earlier....unsure which thread....... as to whether or not 5/1 was available on Tiger. My answer would be ..not yet..... and my basis for this is that if you look at oddschecker........ all the 5.5 that is available from the vast majority is in the pink colour that indicates support is drifting. Somebody will take the bull by the horns tomorrow morning and offer that 5/1. My opinion only..... a possible problem here is that if it one of the bigger firms, they will have it as a special in their shops for a specific time. I would always ring my local independent bookie and ask for a price. There are a few real bookies left out there.It would be a master stroke for Betfair to go the 5,s on Sportsbook sp odds. Take on those High Street cowboys.


He's been 5/1 in McLeans all week.

Report Handles August 8, 2013 10:44 AM BST
Yeah that price on Kuchar is amazing. Almost double what he started out at. Think he has a great chance round here, my biggest green.
Report ericthecat August 8, 2013 10:47 AM BST
Cabrera bello @ 800s aswell

Gay, Toms, Curtis and Luiten have the honour to bring home the jackpot
Report frames August 8, 2013 10:54 AM BST
Has Stenson started early with two birdies ?
Report HeinzGuderian August 8, 2013 10:55 AM BST
The Fourth and final Major of the year, and a few very tasty prices on offer...

Peter Uhlein @ 830
Jordan Spieth 140
Kevin Streelman 550
Carl Pettersson 570
Kradech Alphibarnrat 1000
Matt Ever 1000
Tommy Gainey 1000
Gonzalo Fernandez-Castano 410
John Huh 730
Chris Stroud 900
Ryan Palmer 500
Lucas Glover 735
Report Deplasterer August 8, 2013 10:56 AM BST
Heinz is alive!!!Cool
Report Total Bosman August 8, 2013 10:56 AM BST
Think there have been some tasty prices for an event that's thrown up some surprise winners.  Backed Stadler, Teater, Stroud, Aphibarnrat, Bae and Lynn all between 900 and 1000 for between 50 and 120k wins.
Report Eddie the eagle August 8, 2013 10:58 AM BST
Has Stenson started early with two birdies ?

Either that or someone has stolen his driver during the night...
Report Deplasterer August 8, 2013 10:58 AM BST
A lot of guys on here are backing a lot of the rags, do you all feel this is going to be 2003 all over again. I have my doubts, too many at the top end are/have been playing well & one of them will get the job done imo. Which one though?
Report padlock August 8, 2013 11:00 AM BST
all the sheep on stenson ffs how short will they back him?
Report therhino August 8, 2013 11:02 AM BST
Team set, ready to go.

Tiger covered
Westwood +1K
Zack +931
Day +870
Garcia +1.3K
Webb +289
Furyk +1.8K
Sterne +1.7K
Manny +310
Woodland +5.1K
Jacobsen +600
Hoffman +3.3K
Walker +2.6K
De Jonge +5.8K
Hanson +1.1K
Palmer +4.7K
Thompson +2.3K
Blixt +13.5K
Leishman +1K
Pettersson +1.4K
Glover +1.7K
Lawrie +650
Cab-Bello +15K
Gay +825
Toms +641
Garrigus +533
DL3 +19.2K
Teater +4.7K
Larrazabal +2.1L

Field -270

Also gone Westwood for top 10 as a side bet. Good luck fellow forumites Cool
Report Eddie the eagle August 8, 2013 11:02 AM BST
I disagree, Apart from Tiger and Mickelson, the rest of the top players haven't really played well lately.
Report Deplasterer August 8, 2013 11:03 AM BST
For anyone that gets pi ssed of with skys coverage  over the weekend, five live extra (sat) & five live (Sun) will have on live from 9pm.
Report Eddie the eagle August 8, 2013 11:03 AM BST
Have to add Stenson as well Blush
Report Deplasterer August 8, 2013 11:03 AM BST
Stenson/Snedeker Eddie?
Report wengersredarmy August 8, 2013 11:08 AM BST
My team is Bradley 66s ew, Kaymer 70s ew, Haas, 66s ew and Luiten 250ew (680 on BF).

Also had a late dabble on Brook Koepka at 900+, natural fade and says course suits his eye. Was the name on everyone's lips a month ago and went off at Open between 200-300 so 900s back in US seems huge.
Report Eddie the eagle August 8, 2013 11:10 AM BST
And with doubts , Snedeker.
Report frames August 8, 2013 11:11 AM BST
Anyone know if Sky are on early behind the red button ?
Report Deplasterer August 8, 2013 11:14 AM BST
Frames, from one they are showing just one group, the marquee group, I assume that will be woods & co.
Report Deplasterer August 8, 2013 11:14 AM BST
Sky 1 HD, red button were it can be accessed.
Report ericthecat August 8, 2013 11:15 AM BST
It's a strange book and one I have really enjoyed. The best value of the year, some of the real form players and winners from this year have been very big odds indeed.
Report mengmeng August 8, 2013 11:15 AM BST
my team is.....Tiger :)
Report frames August 8, 2013 11:15 AM BST
Thanks.
Report therhino August 8, 2013 11:23 AM BST

Aug 8, 2013 -- 5:15AM, mengmeng wrote:


my team is.....Tiger :)


Shocked

Report Quincy August 8, 2013 11:25 AM BST
I'm joining sheppey.  Have a lot of red on most of the top ten in the betting.
Report sheppy123 August 8, 2013 11:25 AM BST
It's like the big layers are expecting Tiger to win that much that none of the other prices seem to matter?
Report Deplasterer August 8, 2013 11:25 AM BST
Less than an hour till the off:

Snedeker
Donald
Simpson
Harrington

My 4 to go to war with.

Best of luck all, gonna need it on this track.
Report Puggy4 August 8, 2013 11:26 AM BST
I wonder will Tiger have his usual bogey on first hole of a major
Report mengmeng August 8, 2013 11:27 AM BST
i didnt think it would surprise you rhino.
Report maggot August 8, 2013 11:28 AM BST
Y.E Yang has handed in an application form to join the 1000 club.

He is more than welcome, but is having a few problems getting through the door... Someone give him a shove.
Report sheppy123 August 8, 2013 11:28 AM BST
Quincy - haha if you join me you'll be a loser!

I couldn't win an arguement!
Report padlock August 8, 2013 11:30 AM BST
someone lay my pennies on donald duck top european pls
Report HeinzGuderian August 8, 2013 11:34 AM BST
Monty is pontificating on the Golf Channel about Wee Rory ! Excruciating viewing !
Report sheppy123 August 8, 2013 11:35 AM BST
maggot - I'm still having nightmares about D.A. Points.

He was in the late 900s but I wanted a 1000 which I never got.

I was fuming when he went on to win the tournament. (Shell Houston Open).

I'm always conscious of this when a player is in the 900s.
Report therhino August 8, 2013 11:36 AM BST
I like how you stick to your game plan without variation meng, if it ain't broke hey...

Weather watch for round one: The threat of rain during the first round of the PGA Championship is increasing.

The skies are basically cloudy now with an 80 percent chance of rain overnight. Wind gusts will reach 25 mph later this afternoon.

Some showers may linger into the morning and then appear likely to redevelop Thursday afternoon as the front stalls south of Rochester. So the possibility of rain on Thursday has now increased to 60 percent and it moderates to 30 percent on Friday.

Temperatures on Thursday will top out at 82 and 79 on Friday.

Drier, cooler air is expected on the weekend with temperatures topping out in the mid-70s. The wind will be 8-14 mph range on Thursday then change to 5-10 mph on Friday and 10-15 on the weekend.


Early starters to get the best of it perhaps, unless round 1 gets suspended and late starters finish Fri morn but not sure that will be required.
Report Colldogg August 8, 2013 11:41 AM BST
Is everything alright with Harris English? Sportsbook got him down as a NR?

My team I have got so far is

English,
Sang Moon Bae,
Chris Wood,
Watney,
Henley,
Huh,
Horschel.

Not very confident at all though with them tbh. I'm toying with the idea about adding Webb Simpson in, but think he will throw in a high 70 round at least 1 day of the week. All the guys between 33/1-66/1 I have not got a strong feeling, or could see any of them winning this week which I'm finding very strange.
Report maggot August 8, 2013 11:42 AM BST
Indeed, sheppy. Yang is already a decent green for me, so will only add that £14 if he hits the grand.

Chris Stroud heading that way too.
Report Quincy August 8, 2013 11:44 AM BST
Not exactly sparkling myself, sheppy123.  Fancied a horse at Pontefract as a back to lay.  It needed rain, no rain, took 4.7, laid some at 3, it touched 1.5 and I sat looking at the screen and wouldn't submit lay @ 1.71.  Totally mesmerised.
Report therhino August 8, 2013 11:46 AM BST
My top 10 Westy bet not fully matched and price come in so cancelled remaining and whacked it on Thompson. 22s for top 10 on a tough course is good value for this fella, should be in his element.

Colldogg - if ur not confident add some more reliable runners you fancy. You have your value long shots, always good to have some proven performers backing them up.
Report mengmeng August 8, 2013 11:50 AM BST
cheers rhino, seems to work after tiger last week im120 points up on season with 90 points outlay so very chuffed with the year.
Report HeinzGuderian August 8, 2013 11:51 AM BST
Mark Brooks WD. JJ Henry gets in.
Report mengmeng August 8, 2013 11:52 AM BST
actually meant 70 points outlay
Report therhino August 8, 2013 11:54 AM BST
best to finish that post with ray bans mate
Report sheppy123 August 8, 2013 11:56 AM BST
Has Stephen Gallacher just removed his blindfold!

Wish every bet could work like this...

Backed him @ 1000, layed @ 850.
Report maggot August 8, 2013 11:57 AM BST
Some fella playing bowls on Plymouth Hoe, Heinz..
Report Colldogg August 8, 2013 11:57 AM BST
This is the problem Rhino, usually have strong fancies for at least a couple of the proven guys but not got a strong feeling about any this week. I would go for Rose but he's not played a lot of golf lately and wondering if he's still riding the wave from his US Open triumph.

Hunter Mahan has all the stats for this course and was in good form before his baby came along so thinking with not a lot of practice the last week, the baby could have turned his brain to mush.

So I'm thinking the best option to do is wait until after round 1 and see which of the guys are within striking distance.
Report Deplasterer August 8, 2013 11:57 AM BST
Tiger being smashed in this past hour, back in to 5.4.
Report lufc67 August 8, 2013 12:08 PM BST
Toms +£15K
Chappell +£10K
Jones +£8.5K
Manassero +£5.5K
Hearn +£7.6K
Hanson +£6K

Field -£105

Good luck all.
Report SamH_123 August 8, 2013 12:13 PM BST
and we're off.. interested to see what this player locator does on the ipad app.. surely it does something more than say what hole they're on because the leaderboard basically tells you that already
Report Ski-Wiz August 8, 2013 12:15 PM BST

Aug 8, 2013 -- 5:15AM, mengmeng wrote:


my team is.....Tiger :)


Is that Leicester City FC or a barrel of bitter.

Report mengmeng August 8, 2013 12:22 PM BST
certainly not leicester and i dont drink either lol
Report Ski-Wiz August 8, 2013 12:27 PM BST
Team of 24.....much smaller than Quincy, Rhino and Eric.....as usual
Report therhino August 8, 2013 12:34 PM BST
I think 29 is a new PB for me Ski, I am not in their league. Only for majors I do this, regular events 3-8 players usually.
Report mengmeng August 8, 2013 12:35 PM BST
i sometimes get crazy and do 1 on each tour
Report therhino August 8, 2013 12:36 PM BST
Shocked

outlandish behaviour
Report peejay11 August 8, 2013 12:45 PM BST
tim clarke 10 quid
ryan palmer
ben curtis
jimmy walker
charlie howell
kevin stadler

fiver the rest WinkWinkWink good luck all
Report Quincy August 8, 2013 1:21 PM BST
Scattergun approach, ski.
Report loserschaselosers August 8, 2013 1:41 PM BST
No shot tracker for this ?
Report hearts1874 August 8, 2013 1:49 PM BST
my team for this week-

B.KOEPKA
K.DUKE
M.MANASSERO
W.SIMPSON
J.DAY
C.WOOD
J.WALKER

good luck
Report Merlin7 August 8, 2013 8:43 PM BST
Scoring is a lot better than i thought it would be anyone over par today should be ashamed.
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