BBC golf coverage

The sad fact is that they don't really give a toss about their audience, they do whatever is easiest for them, keeping on an old fossil like Alliss, having Hazel as the presenter for no apparent reason, Mark James, how the hell did he get into it? They are dreadful and shouldn't be allowed to cover any sporting event.

CC, i find myself in total agreement with you. 

Smug as well, are the Beeb, a survey was done in Scotland recently which found that over 50 per cent are not satisfied with the Beeb.

The BBC love to pat themselves on the back.  Need to dispense with the licence fee and let the marker decide.

I hardly ever watch the BBC.

market

I very much doubt that the majority of the audience have had a wager on the event.

Golf is mainstream, as is its audience.

Betting on golf is a minority interest.

But even those not watching to make money would still like to see all the main contenders given proper coverage.

I've never known them as bad as this though, they used to be even handed and show whoever was doing well, this year all that is out of the window for the Tiger and Lee John show. They shouldn't have to be pandering to the lowest common denominator after all they aren't advert driven so I really do not know why they are doing it.

flyingbolt

Hope you sleep well and back to your old self tomorrow!

The Mod Father

I for one, care enormously about the tradition and ceremony of the whole thing!

The "tradition" that penalises a young Asian player for slow play and ignores Tiger and Westwood taking an age to play their shots.

i personally think "tradition" is overrated and is another word for privilege.

mark james had 2 top tens in the open and won numerous events on tour

he was players rep for years, he may not have kept up with golf ball manufacture
but makes a decent pundit, theres plenty of deadwood to go before him , imo

It's a tough crowd on here, but I find it hard to argue with a lot of the points made today. The coverage this week has been disappointing, definitely worse than previous years, and what on earth do you call that behind the red button. I'd describe this week as cutback coverage, yet others at the beeb throw money about like betting shop fobt addicts.

Norton makes several millions a year, while £5 is spent on the red button options during the biggest golf tournament of the whole year.

Saying that, I'll still be glued to it tomorrow.

hope they dont turn off coverage if if katie drops her sprog !

We will all be glued to it tomorrow.

We have no option.

However they need to be held to account for the chaotic and disjointed coverage.  It has been worse than a low grade pga tour event on a Thursday night.

We are probably spoiled by SKY, who despite all the adverts are a world leader.

They should have got sky in to produce the tournament for them.

Even without a bet if I was just a casual golf fan I'd be left wondering why I had seen hardly any shots from guys who are in the top 10. Adam Scott is the masters champ and I think we're lucky to have seen 5 shots of his today

sky are the ones who started this favoured 3 ball malarkey

endless hours of darren clarke and his partners

i thought they had got sky in to produce the broadcast




meanwhile bbc radio is streets ahead !

It made me nausesos how much of Els we have seen this week. I would rather watch Vijay singh taking a poo after a heavy night on the ale

The BBC are inflexible - they pick their groups to follow, and do so, no matter what else is going on around them

They see a pairing like Woods and Westwood as a broadcasters wet dream - following every shot, walking between shots etc, Dressing it up like a 1 on 1 shootout - the big 2 in their eyes, while ignoring other contenders other than made putts or missed short ones

Breaking news - we want to see tee shots, approach shots, and all putts of those in contention, whether they go in or miss - we do not want the predicability of seeing someone we haven't seen all day over a 15 ft putt and knowing it's going in as being the only reason you're showing it

Feck the in-depth coverage of just a few groups, get a director who can work on the fly and show the public what they want to see as and when it happens

Worst group following of all time was last year (or the year before) with 'Old Tom' and Young Tom' - we saw nearly every shot of that group and missed most of those by the real contenders

The BBC have cameras covering every hole, it's just lazy direction to stick with a select group rather than go to where the real action is. I think they believe viewers want to see 'a story unfold' as if the they're walking around with that select group (of their choice)

Has Peter Allis's constant moaning about slow play influenced the R&A to penalise Matsuyama?
Every time Allis does a commentary stint he mentions slow play.
I would prefer if Allis complained about the almost constant BBC coverage of Woods and Westwood to the exclusion of other players.

Thing is even though they were only showing Tiger and Westie they still managed to miss atleast 10 of Tigers shots so god knows what they were doing

wtf did tiger do on 17? in a bunker? missed it

Truly awful, thank god I worked Thursday/Friday.

BBC treats everyone as if there 12 years of age, checkvout there news program presently

I agree with criticism of the whole Westwood/Woods, and to a certain extent Jiminez, love-in show from yesterday - it was shocking.

The other thing that continually winds me up is when we go to somebody unseen all day for a putt, you know it is going in.  Cue Ryan Moore yesterday - not sighted and then all of a sudden he is rolling a birdie in.  Really spoils the coverage in that you can tell the outcome of 95% of such putts before they are viewed.

i would love to see what they paying alliss and is cronies for this weeks love in.
why do the beeb need so many people to cover any event,be it wimbledon,the golf or even something like glastonbury.
every one else is trying to cut back,but they throw money round like theres no tomorrow.

I backed Zach and Ryan Moore.
Hardly seen them at all.
Why ?
Because they weren't exactly burning up the course.
Tiger and Lee John were leading all day, therefore they attracted the bulk of the coverage.
I have absolutely no problem at all with that.
If Mickelson gets anywhere near the lead today, rest assured he will feature.

Mahan was burning up the course.  Wondered who the strange man in blue was when they finally decided to show a shot of him late in the day.  It's not like the pundits weren't talking all day about the constant fall in players under par and that anything par or better in the clubhouse was very much going to be in contention.

To see constant coverage of W&W walking down fairways is a waste of everybody's time.

i wonder if they will show more of hunter mahan today

Any birdie Mahan got was shown, was it not ?
WTF do you want them to do, show everyone, or concentrate on the guys in the lead ?
I've never met so many whingers/gurners/mopers/ in all me fecking life !

I want them to show golf shots.  How long do W&W spend in a 4½ hour round not hitting the ball?

Heinz, cmon, we all like to see woods, but micko and Scott were eve rd 6th from hole 9 to 16.

its not about showing just golf shots. People complained about showing woods and ww in the scoring hut, i enjoyed that.
its all part of the atmosphere

it is important to show players not playing shots

11 glorious hours a day coverage, and you guys still moan about it ?
Unbelievable Jeff !

i like to see them on the driving range, on the putting green, the spains(names just gone) and girlfriend walking
hand in hand to the clubhouse etc

Heinz, your love in with the BBC defies logic.

You were probably one of Hi tlers advisors in 1941 who agreed with him that Stalingrad had to be taken whatever the cost. 

Queue the Queen of the moaners.
Turn off the Tele AberMOANia, and go for a long walk of a short pier.
Give us all an afternoon free from your incessant gurning !!!

I dont know how anyone who bets on golf can be "loving" the "live" coverage?.

Heinz, you are speaking shyte.

Away and open your box set of Neil Lennon interviews.

Heinz beanz was enjoying the coverage on RTE I reckon so it didn't affect him

Heinz doesn't watch RTE, he'll be kicked out of east Belfast for that.

He probably choked on his Ulster Fry there.

so he did

The BBC coverage would be great if it was the 80s but because we have computers we know that scores are moving up and down minutes before we see them.

It does not take much  thought to shoew as many live shots of players within 5 of the lead. I'm sure that yesterday I saw as much of Colsearts as I did of Mahan.

working class twerps(the majority on here) are not qualified to have an opinion on the BBCs coverage.
You do not have the necessary intellectual or artistic sensibilities to know what constitutes a good programme.
Pipe down!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2371852/Now-BBC-golf-commentator-Ken...

Love Ken Brown, different class.

Didn't mean that in racist comment, poor from Ken. Should stick to what he's good at.

what is an Ethiopian chicken?

comment over my head

Does Hazel Irvine have a bee in her bonnet about women , glass ceilings , female only golf clubs , high heels on hallowed greens  , etc .  She seems to be intent on trying to goad the R and A man into  saying something which creates news .  But thankfully he is too shrewd for her .  But I wish she would give over .

Few of us approve of men only clubs , reason initially had something to do with the difficulty of the course and the absence of shorter carries without major reconstruction . But as Peter says , St Andrews has 2 female only clubs , 3 men only clubs , plus the public and the citizens of St Andrews all playing happily on the same links .

congrats over 100 posts ,of  b^Tching about bbc

It was all summed up by the garrigus 100+ foot putt on i think the 15th or 16th hole on Friday.... Now its obvious that theyre not going to show live coverage of a player ten over par but dont insult my intelligence by pretending it is live. "is this going in is it....is it..... IS IT?"

If Hazel Irvine says she is 20 miles South of Edinburgh one more time I will buy a fecking map and send it to her recodred delivery.

@west pilton

i would love to see what they paying alliss and is cronies for this weeks love in.
why do the beeb need so many people to cover any event,be it wimbledon,the golf or even something like glastonbury.
every one else is trying to cut back,but they throw money round like theres no tomorrow.

This is my main beef about the BBC coverage too

The numbers jumping on the gravy train

That fair haired young man who contributes absolutely fook all poncing about making unfunny and annoying comments

Also I noticed the item they did on picking litter was done by that short haired asian woman who reads the news on the andrew marr programme

What the fook is she doing there and how much is she being paid.A nice little jolly at licence payers expense for her

On the positive side I quite liked seeing inside the scorers cabin at the end of play to see the interraction or lack of between woods and westwood

Allis comments were quite amusing too.

What the fook is she doing there

Likes her golf does Naga Munchetty..

And pretty fair at it. Think she won a decent comp down sarf not too long ago.

And plays in lots of pro-ams..

Mark James seems to be taking requests

Hmmm

Often wondered what she did during the week...

Reads the news then..

I see her as Irvine's replacement sooner rather than later..

Bloody well hope not !

Certainly ticks the ethnic box though so quite possible

Mark James say if Westwood and Woods had the same colored tops on the commentators might get confused

Yep, has all the ticks..

Here's my views for what little they're worth!

Firstly, the amount of coverage is awesome! To be able to put the TV on at any time of the day and watch it is good.

I personally think they shouldn't concentrate as much on the golfers in the lead. Show them more than others but just not as much. It's like there's nobody else playing!

I'm also not interested in anybody's profile. I just wanna see them play. I don't play golf so my opinions are gonna be far different from people that do.

For instance, watching a slow motion shot of somebody swinging their club bores the hell out of me, but if I played it I'd probably like it.

I think that if people are playing, don't start showing interviews, or people's profiles etc. Show them when there's nothing going on.

Anyway, I'm just being picky. I don't want to moan too much cos overall the coverage has been excellent!

Jul 21, 2013 -- 10:52AM, lfc1971 wrote:

working class twerps(the majority on here) are not qualified to have an opinion on the BBCs coverage.You do not have the necessary intellectual or artistic sensibilities to know what constitutes a good programme.Pipe down!

What she said !

Seen more shots on the driving range / practice green than on the course so far

I wonder whether they'll show Woods having a sh it before he starts

No coverage of Mickelson/Molinari (tied 8th) since the 2nd hole.

Not 1 shot.  Instead we watch Scott and Woods walk down the 1st for 45seconds/1 minutes while Peter Aliss bleats on about f*cking Swallows or some such sh*t.

Coverage is the same as is was 30 years ago and has not moved forward in any way shape or form.

Woeful.

hoping Mickleson can get within two to get himself onto coverage

Who was that twit who said "outrageous, you can't do that" re Westwood's birdie on a par 5  because he was in the bunker off the tee?

Phil Parkin I think he is conker deep on Westy to win

you can hear the panic in Parkins voice

Staggered just how bad the coverage is today. Got no sense of the moment, sauntering along oblivious to certain players who are right in the mix

miles better coverage than yesterday all the same !

Was Jason Day actually playing! Never saw him once!

There seems to be a lot of complaints about the coverage of Mickelson and having backed him for top 5, I kept looking at the odds and thinking he must have had a disaster that had not been shown by the Beeb as he was still 2.5 to finish in the top 5 when on level par quite late in his round. I guess that in running players were never sure what he was doing until he took the lead.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/bunker-mentality/viewers-fume-bbc-ignore...

When they showed Mickelson putting for eagle on the 17th one of the commentators remarked 'Must have been two huge blows to get it on the green'

Think about it, when never seen the bloke out was favorite by them hitting his tee shot and second shot on the 17th hole ffs

A farcical situation

They showed both of his approach shots to 17 tbf, it was the on course guy Phil Parkin in the Westwood group who said it must have been two mighty blows.

Even more impressive given he hit two three woods but that wasn't commented on.

Piss poor coverage for me, the lack of knowledge from the commentators (generally) was woeful and I'll never understand how a producer can't squeeze in everyone who is within half a dozen shots of the lead's shots coming down the back nine. I think we all accept that the coverage is not as live, but when you're seeing Stenson and Johnson's shots into 16 and then next thing you know they're showing Johnson's missed putt for par and just saying, Stenson two putted for par I don't think that's really good enough.

poulters putt on 12 was obviously holed as we heard the roar !!!

bbc took over two minutes to show it

awful

Let's face it.... if Auntie had shown it live, then you lot would have nothing to moan about...


I guess you would all then start moaning about having nothing to moan about, etc, etc, etc.....

cor, what a moaner

thank the baby jesus we only have to listen to this bunch of idiots once a year.  thank the almighty lord that ms c balding didn't pop up somewhere.  sounds like my grandparents 87 & 83 discussing the "world wide web".

who(')s auntie?

Jul 22, 2013 -- 2:09PM, Regular Fries wrote:

They showed both of his approach shots to 17 tbf, it was the on course guy Phil Parkin in the Westwood group who said it must have been two mighty blows.Even more impressive given he hit two three woods but that wasn't commented on.Piss poor coverage for me, the lack of knowledge from the commentators (generally) was woeful and I'll never understand how a producer can't squeeze in everyone who is within half a dozen shots of the lead's shots coming down the back nine. I think we all accept that the coverage is not as live, but when you're seeing Stenson and Johnson's shots into 16 and then next thing you know they're showing Johnson's missed putt for par and just saying, Stenson two putted for par I don't think that's really good enough.

have to agree with this, the coverage is a disgrace

Sadly the BBC have drafted in far too many non golfers in an attempt to embellish the coverage and their lack of knowledge for a sport we all love, only serves to annoy. Parkin is a dead loss and his inability to assess the degree of difficulty of shots or to appear incredibly over excited at the mere presence of Tiger Woods, was cringe worthy.

The Direction of the coverage was remarkably poor and, far too little coverage of players who were on the periphery of things at the weekend. Far more balance required in the coverage and the delay in showing some of the key action is amplified if you are watching the odds shift on Betfair.

The truth is that the BBC have failed to move on in terms of their sports coverage, with golf in particular trapped in the 1970`s with all the snobbery and stuffiness that damages the image of the game.

Watch out, next year you might end up with the Dream Team - Aliss and Critchley !

I remember the 1992 Open, won by Faldo.
Back then they showed golf continuously, and even players not in contention got air time.

Now it is studio chat, or celebrity presenters (who play a little golf), with golf coverage dominated by superstars or British players.
The BBC failed on Sunday when they missed most of the Mickelson play, and insulted us by showing the occasional replay of players (e.g. Matsuyama birdie on hole 13 ten minutes late).

I've been told that if I want to watch the golf its on the red button.  I do not have that service.
To watch the golf I mostly watch Setanta, although they have plenty of ad breaks.
The BBC are celebrity presenter driven, PC driven (have they got one white, one black, one Asian, one woman, one old).

On the final day BBC1 had a massive studio discussion for about an hour at the start of play.
Obviously they were waiting for Westwood to start.  Nobody else mattered.
I don't remember seeing much of Dufner, Bradley, Lowry, De La Riva, English, Gallacher, Sterne, Cink, Blixt, Fisher, Day, Van Pelt.

Larkin was a decent amateur golfer and US college player. HE is **** at commentating though.

I missed Walkers Linekar, don't know about you? Perhaps Steve Macmanananananaman can do next year?

the speed of the open scoreboard left bbc floundering

also i didnt spot nearly as many errors as euro pga manage week in week out


maybe the open scorers are already well fed

alan hansen is a decent golfer, maybe get him shearer and lawro to present the show !

We could have Neville Neville and Andy Gray with that computer screen thingy where they move players and golf balls around the thing, and where they should have hit it and that. Or not.

All they have to do is show the shots that matter, it cant be rocket science, leave out the pre-amble, the walking round putts, camera 11, Tiger putts, camera 13 Phil with 2nd into 17, camera 4 hold it for 20 secs whilst 1 shows Scott fkng up again youcuntahem, and go camera 4.

I would keep Ken Brown.

they need to ditch Maureen fast

theyve got the seniors and then the ladies coming up soon

should be interesting to see how much coverage is given, and the standard

i struggle with the ladies tournies as they employ mostly all female staff to cover it and i just can't listen to it the same, call me sexist if you wish but i just don't find them interesting to listen to at all

and that you cant believe that lesbians don't look like they do on tinternet

lipstick?

I think we should send this thread to the BBC. They might take notice of it and the coverage could be very different next year!

Dont sky have the seniors open?

seniors on sky, yes i think so .....

https://mobile.twitter.com/TweeterAlliss/status/359395756949528576/photos







this sums up BBC open

Even Harrington giving off about the coverage:

http://www.padraigharrington.com/

Maybe he's a forumite