US Open general discussion

lookn forward to this,heavy rough fast as hell greens weather permitting

Well if i had to bring my team down to 6 it would probably be Rose,Chappell,Tim Clark,Hass,Stenson and Poulter....

Current team (will get involved in - play)

McIlroy
Snedeker
Simpson
Day
Oosthuizen
Stenson
Bubba
Z Johnson
POD
Els
Moore
Cabrera
M Thompson

A few speculative selections and a few that really shouldn't be well suited to this course but you never know.

GL

Any weather advantages for the late / early or early / late starters tomorrow?

looks very consistent thurs,mist,no rain,ave wind

http://www.myweather2.com/Golf-Courses/United-States-Of-America/Pennsylvania/Merion-Golf-Club.aspx?sday=1



time allowance will be 15mins 50 secs a hole

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much better news weather

looks misty thurs,no rain
fri,sat,sun sunshine[/b]

Not sure where you're getting your forecast from Xmoney as everything i'm looking at for tomorrow is grim!

Looking at both tomorrow's & Fri's forecast I can see either the early starters or late starters from tomorrows T times getting a big break. Reason being that Fri's forecast looks really windy, 20mph + in morning before dying down in the afternoon. This could mean that if they get lucky enough with the weather tomorrow that the morning starters at least get through their first round they'll get better conditions tomorrow & again PM Fri after tomorrow's PM starters got clobbered Fri morning in the wind! Equally if they get next to nothing done tomorrow those who would have played AM tomorrow end up getting clobbered Fri morning.

Which ever way it pans out wouldn't be surprised to see a leaderboard stacked up from one half of the draw after one or even two rounds like in Oostie's open. Unless off course the forecast is b.....ks & the sun shines!...

dustin '55s    sergio 44  ricki 75 and have 10eway double harris english 66s going on to a scott @22s

pleased to see a move for scott here same thing happened in mastersexpect him to be there sunday...one negative for me is playing with tiger and rory in the first two rounds

you would expect early starters to have an advantage as greens will be rougher fo afternoon starters

That's what i'm basing my strategy on sundog.....let's hope the weather prediction stays true.

the official weather forcast the caddies have been given by the pgs is for rain in morning and thunderstorms in the afternoon on thursday gusting 10-20mph winds

sun dog

is yours BBC forecast

hope I hav the right course

Just seen your above link xmoney, I'm looking at weather.com & wunderbar so who knows!

Anyway for what it's worth & nothing to do with the weather I've added the Hoff to my team [charley not Morgan]. Nothing more than a hunch, plays par 70s well & has been knocking on the door again of late. Can see him going well.

Ski, are strategizing for the early or late starters at the moment as I wouldn't know which half to pick at present!

wunderground even!!

http://www.wunderground.com/weather-forecast/US/PA/Merion_Station.html

& www.weather.com & just type in Merion in the search

Early starters as they would play late on Friday....my selections further up the thread would give that away. If there are any delays then that would be an advantage to the late starters on Friday IMO.

Beside with the late starters tomorrow there's plenty of time to get match depending on how the early starters do.

weather forecast a day at a time best,earlier today someone said tornado

Tornado......sorry but Pennsylvania is not in the midwest of USA

one thing is common,no one believing BBC forecast

Who would after the M Fish fiasco in the 1980's.

true, but I would n't be taking too much notice of the USGA forecast for Oswaldtwistle either.

billions spent on weather forecasts,you wouldn't know it

going to get local radio station internet

Topped up Jamie Donaldson. Unreal price for a guy that has won this year, and finished top 10 in last year's PGA.

Traded
Lee Westwood
Justin Rose
Bubba Watson
David Lingmerth
Scott Stallings
Paul Lawrie
Casey Wittenberg
Jerry Kelly
Geoff Ogilvy

Backed
Michael Thompson
Darren Clarke
Morgan Hoffmann
Matteo Manassero
Steve Stricker
Robert Karlsson
Brandt Snedeker
Rickie Fowler
Ian Poulter
Matt Kuchar
Louis Oosthuizen
Keegan Bradley
Jamie Donaldson
Sergio Garcia

Still waiting on some more but looking increasing unlikely they will get matched.

says hail chances for thursday and fine for weekend on pgatour

Gut feeling - stick some on him for 3 days....my head - ignore him.....decided to stick a bit on P Casey.

There was a tornado yesterday about 25 miles from philadelphia

my team
bigger wins

henrik stenson
angel cabrera
kevin streelman
zach johnson
bill haas
med wins
russel henley
djustin johnson
ernie els
snedekar

smaller wins
francesco molinari
matteo mannasero
ryan mooore

alot more players than i usually back gonna have a little study again and see if anything looks decent in different markets

good luck all

for the weather try www.myweather2.com/Golf-Courses and follow links to USA and merion it has daily forecasts with rain, wind and gusts.

I use it in this country for my golf and it is pretty good

my 5 against the field for this week are

manassero
stenson
schwartzel
horschel
harrington

good luck all

http://www.pgatour.com/tourreport/2013/010/12/thunderstorms--hail-forecast-f...

5 live golf preview 8pm

Will give you a good idea of conditions going out thurs





http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b02mcxvn

Dufner looking too short to me. No top 10s this season and his putting has gone backwards. That purple patch seems a long time ago.

Wish I had waited a little now - 65 to lay

Didn't Lingmerth play really well in rainy conditions @Players?

http://sports.yahoo.com/photos/u-s-open-crews-battle-rain-and-flooding-at-me...

Yep Dufners price really short now, backed him a couple of times this year, really frustrating...0 top 10s 2 top 20.. 60s

Not really sure what the course and weather will have in store this week but with it being a major week,it would be wrong not to have a few bets.Gone with the following 4 players:

Bill Haas - Was in great form earlier in the season before losing his form around the time of The Players/Wells Fargo possibly due to the birth of his first child.Back in form with a good showing at Memorial,a tournament he has never traditionally played well in,which I think bodes well for a good showing here.80s each way with the bookies,i was happy to take that.

Hunter Mahan - Was in a desperate run of form but his last 3 efforts have seen him gradually start to return to the form he's capable of.A generally solid player,i'm hoping this weeks test might just play to his strengths.Was a very fair price on here at 100s I thought.

Billy Horschel - A model of consistency all season and I like the way he finished off last weeks event with 3 very good rounds.Reasonably long,hits fairway**** greens and can putt as well.That will have you contending most weeks but hopefully more so this week.Another who was very fairly priced on here at 100s.

Scott Piercy - Never thought i'd see myself betting him in a US Open but a player who's really come on in the last year or so.Want to have one 'bomber' on my team due to the wet conditions and he fits the bill.Another who started the season well,fell away and now seems to be back in the groove again.Ranked 2nd for GIR at the Byron Nelson and 8th for GIR in his last outing at The Memorial.Has also won in the state of Pennsylvania for what it's worth,granted that it was a Web.com event back in 2008.Took the 200s e/w with Joe C.


Best of luck if you're having a bet and here's hoping the weather doesn't spoil what could be a great event.

added couple more at big prices

lucas glover
carl petterson

also backed cabrera in past winner market and very small glover same market

A lot of activity at the moment.....K Bradley collapsed to 50.

Yeah, westy and Donald being pushed out

Donald at 50s, dangerous price for layers.

one particular site has an offer of 'back adam scott and get all the aussies @ same price'

so i lumped $100 @ 23 on ponce and now have every other aussie for $100 @ 23.

basically the site doesnt reckon an aussie will win

what site

its pretty dodgy so i wouldnt recommend it but i have no probs withdrawing from there so far.

bookmaker.com.au

sportingbet - if your player shoots under par every round but doesnt win. refund cash up to $100.

perhaps worth a shout if one reckons the course will be short and soft.


betstar - back scott and if he misses cut then get stake back as free bet up to $50
               - back tiger and if he misses cut then get stake back as free bet up to $50

centrebet - if your player runs second to tigger, refund up to $100 cash

apologies. betstar is 'back any aussie' not just ponce.

cheers fo reply - will avoid using aussie bookies cheers

weather,not good HEAVY RAIN 8am,easing off 2pm,then HEAVY RAIN 5pm

I don't think a full days play will happen

http://www.myweather2.com/Golf-Courses/United-States-Of-America/Pennsylvania...

GRACE, B.    2:13p*                                  
    BAE, S.    2:13p*                                  
    HENLEY, R.    2:13p*                                  
    HOMA, M.    2:20p                                  
    KNOX, R.    2:20p                                  
    BETTENCOURT, M.    2:20p                                  
    MATSUYAMA, H.    2:24p*                                  
    HORSCHEL, B.    2:24p*                                  
    SPIETH, J.    2:24p*                                  
    HADWIN, A.    2:31p                                  
    NIEPORTE, J.    2:31p                                  
    HERMAN, J.    2:31p                                  
    GOGGIN, M.    2:35p*                                  
    ALKER, S.    2:35p*                                  
    PRESNELL, A.    2:35p*                                  
    BROWN, B.    2:42p                                  
    MURRAY, G.    2:42p                                  
    SMITH, J.    2:42p                                  
    HARMON, M.    2:46p*                                  
    HALL, G.    2:46p*                                  
    KIM, B.    2:46p*                                  
    FISCHER, Z.    2:57p*                                  
    SULLIVAN, R.    2:57p*                                  
    CRICK, B.    2:57p*   

Plenty of 1000-1 shots who won't finish tomorrow and will finish up during the predicted ambient conditions Friday morning. Henley, Horschel, Bae and Speith the biggest names who are starting late Thursday.

with an hour and a half to go is it possible to tell if there will be any significant advantage for early or late starters?if not i was thinking of backing rose to beat westwood over 72 holes.rose is early starter and lee late

Difficult to say who will benefit from conditions du to possible weather delays.

This is one really nasty looking storm that will hit at 9am and last the entire day. Not much golf… http://instagram.com/p/aflWzjJg-v/

-poults

I can't be taking anybody short priced with these conditions forecast. Looks like late starters will get an advantage. If its called off at say 10 am those early starters will suffer.

I can't be taking anybody short priced with these conditions forecast

Very wise words!!!

This is a LOTTERY!!!!!!

Any professional golfer, who is in any form whatsoever who gets lucky with a break in the weather, and the roll of the ball,  will be able to put up a good score here.  To back the favourites here, where just an hour of blustery conditions can destroy a scorecard, is a very risky strategy in my opinion.

ARDMORE, Pa. -- Old man par is often the winner at the U.S. Open, but this week at Merion Golf Club it could be Mother Nature.







With more than 6 inches of rain having already fallen in the area over the past six days and heavy rain and thunderstorms in Thursday’s forecast, players will be challenged by more than narrow fairways, thick rough and the unfamiliarity of a golf course that is hosting its first major championship in more than 30 years.
Who will win this year’s national championship? Make that Mudder Nature.
“I’m hoping a mud ball doesn’t decide the tournament,” said 2010 winner Graeme McDowell.
He was hardly the only player to share that sentiment. But with lift, clean and place not in effect, “mud balls” is a phrase fans and players will be well familiar with by the end of the week.
“We've got to deal with it even though we're not going to be happy about it,” said Steve Stricker, who also had his own theory of why they could be so prevalent this week.
In short, today’s golf balls spin less and spin is what helps take mud off the ball once it’s hit.
“Yeah, it could decide who the champion is here this week, unfortunately,” he added.
While the U.S. Open is the most democratic of tournaments because anyone with a game good enough can play in it, the 113th edition will be more open than usual given the soft conditions and unpredictability of balls hit with mud on them.
There are 156 players in the field at Merion and all of them might have a chance this week.
“I think it makes the course a little bit easier,” Luke Donald said. “It doesn't play quite as tough.
And I think as a top player you want the place to play as tough as it possibly can.”
In other words, the better the player, the more likely he is to be rewarded by a firm, fast layout.
But without lift, clean and place in play and a soaked and saturated golf course, the term “level playing field” takes on a whole new meaning in McDowell’s eyes.
“I'm kind of split on the issue of ball in hand, lift, clean and place. I think there's a need for it at times,” he said. “I think mud balls are a problem. I think they're unfair.
“It is an element of chance as to how your ball pitches in the fairway, does it pitch in the upslope, does it pitch in the downslope, are you a low ball hitter or a high ball hitter, how much mud is your ball going it to pick up? If it's a long shot it literally can cost you shots. So it's unfair.”
To borrow from a phrase often used by Woods, though, it is what it is.

Lottery theory works both ways gents. If, let's say Tiger got the breaks with the weather, then the 7s is a steal. Changes nothing.

get over it you pampered overpayed gits

Team of two so far, Woods @ 7 and Darren Clarke @1000.  Taking it steady, after all it IS the 13th.

But it ain't Friday Quince go your hardest.

Traded
Lee Westwood
Justin Rose
Bubba Watson
David Lingmerth
Scott Stallings
Paul Lawrie
Casey Wittenberg
Jerry Kelly
Geoff Ogilvy
Keegan Bradley
Jamie Donaldson
Robert Karlsson
Louis Oosthuizen

Backed
Michael Thompson
Darren Clarke
Morgan Hoffmann
Matteo Manassero
Steve Stricker
Brandt Snedeker
Rickie Fowler
Ian Poulter
Matt Kuchar
Sergio Garcia

Jun 13, 2013 -- 10:50AM, Quincy wrote:

Team of two so far, Woods @ 7 and Darren Clarke @1000.  Taking it steady, after all it IS the 13th.

I'm expecting a team of 20 to 30 from you......

big team for me this week lads

manny
fowler
chappell
pod
horschel
sang moon bae
da points
kj choi
zach johnson

good luck to all

Ski-Wiz 13 Jun 13 11:01 

    Jun 13, 2013 -- 10:50AM, Quincy wrote:


    Team of two so far, Woods @ 7 and Darren Clarke @1000.  Taking it steady, after all it IS the 13th.


I'm expecting a team of 20 to 30 from you....

Ski, Have 26 so far, taken my stake out of Ian Poulter.  Still got another 27 on the list!!!

lads, whats the estimate for restarty??

God knows...

No time soon anyway.

they reckon storm passes in 1 hour, then of course they need warm up .....

main storm coming 3 hours behind .....

its 4 hours from warm-up to the course

Would you rather be an early starter and played 5-7 holes, or a late starter and not played any?

Im starting to think you want a very late tee time as you probably wont have to play today and can take advantage of easier conditions tomorrow.

rough will get worse, you may have wished to get through the tougher holes today. unless you are +5

Just placed a small bet on Tiger @ 6.2. The reason is simplistic in itself. Watched him hole putt after putt on the practice green. How about that for homework. lol.

@theft....looks like those late starters are going to get 4 hours of it.

Luke , 52 on the purple one . Traded out at 18 . Now just watching .

Guys, from what I have been observing of Tiger so far, his body language indicates that his mind is not on the game as it should be. Maybe a night,s sleep will change that. But Phil will sleep best without a doubt. But me, I expect Phil to do the unusual again tomorrow, so would be inclined to lay him at current odds, especially if you have him at sp.

Backing Mickleson @ 6.6 or Rory at 13.5. as current odds are. The value to me is clear.

Jun 13, 2013 -- 12:51AM, RMB © wrote:

Donald at 50s, dangerous price for layers.

I am surprised we didn't see a lower score. The course is great, very interesting, trouble everywhere, but very playable. It did not look that hard, you would have thought somebody would have hit those fairways.

I thought Webb-Simpson looks in great form and a huge danger, could/should have been a couple better. Mickelson had some miracle escapes and possibly one of the greatest bunker shots I have ever seen. Tiger was awful and looks injured. Rory still in it and a little unlucky finding divot marks on two consecutive holes. Donald is the interesting one, if he is ever going to win then this course must represent his best chance.

Webb-Simpson and Donald from here.

Rory did birdie the first of the 2 holes he landed in divot marks

Not even completed the first round yet, long way to go... Donald has had a good start but is prone... as is Simpson, lay lay lay.

This is wide open & there are some juicy odds for players not that far off the leaders, picking which ones though is the snag!

I should also say but it obvious Scott is a huge danger, he did have some luck though, 2 hooked drives could have been anywhere. Outsiders thought Tim Clark could have been a couple of shots better.

Can't see WW , his game is along way off where it has been, he is the best lay for me.

Tiger looks the best lay to me. Looks woefully out of form.

Deplaster, Grace for me level par 250s and gone though the hardest holes, seems a juicy price, or so I hope.

CCM, yes but already piled into him

Good stuff!

Was just looking at Grace myself. Definitely value mate.

Topping up on Michael Thompson at 125s. Also through the tough stretch, chance to get in on 1/2 under now.

Westy was extremely unlucky to get a DB. Up to that point he was playing well. Fate never seem to be on his side.

'Fate' might not be on his side, but 'fat' sure is

Ski, his putting was poor again, had a chip in to save him 2 shots and that miss into the grandstand was the worst shot of the day.

His putting is always poor.....if you took out the DB then -3 based on his performance was a very good score.

Taken some of Kaymer at 1000, I know hes not playing great but still only 7 shots back

Anyone know what time it starts today?

12 ish i think

12.15 bst

Any word on Tigers injury ?  Looked like a mild "arm " strain playing out of tough rough , but he was flexing his neck and shoulders as he walked , something bothering him slightly . Not looking like someone in the zone so far , would hate to have taken short odds about him .

neck and shoulders sounds like a bit of stress creeping in .....

tigers putting is pitiful.......he could easily be -2

another chance for tiger

tiger should just close his eyes and hit these putts.........he would have a better chance of getting them. im serious.