Masters General Discussion thread

Traded Bradley, Stricker, Furyk, Petterssen, GMac, Laird (thanks maggot, top shout last week) stakes back on all bar Laird took profit out of him. Backed Rose, Moore a while back (taken unders will let ride) and backed Haas and Snedeker heavily hoping for stakes back before the off. Sned appears it may go the wrong way at least in the short term so have to make a decision there, but how high can he seriously go?

I am sure you have been trading for months rhino.....among other regulars on here. You probably got about 50 players traded.....

Does any fancy Webb Simpson?....got matched at 100 and thought it was too high for a major winner compare those who will never win a major like Garcia, Westwood, Poulter, etc.

All bets matched, just the 3 balls to pick, & of course the beer to get:

Win

Phil 14.5
Schwartzel 30
Pod 90

Top 5

Phil 3.9
Pod 16.5
Schwartzel 6.4

1st Round leader

J Rose 19.5
Pod 65

Good luck peeps, may the force be with you.

Finally all on.

Kevin Streelman (Win @ 520)

Kevin Streelman (Top 5 @ 50)

Kevin Streelman (Top 10 @ 16.5)

Keegan Bradley (Win w/o Woods @ 26)

Graeme McDowell (Win w/o Woods @ 60)

Gl all.

Played all of mine in the w/o Woods market

KUCHAR
FOWLER
MAHAN
SIMPSON
COLSEARTS
OLESON
MANNASSERO


Enjoy the 4 days all

Wasted it this year actually ski, playing catch up.

I really like your Mcdowell bet in the W/O market Hans, good luck.

Are the pairings and tee times not usually known by now?

Cheers Rhino.

More than happy to give up 10pts to take woods out of the equation.

Pinched of pgatour. 60 seems more than fair.

Three top 10s in five starts this season; had just four in 16 starts in all of 2012. Ranks 12th in strokes gained-putting, ninth in adjusted scoring and first in scrambling. Top 20s at the Masters in 2009 and 2012.

Had him on side months ago, reckon he's a great shout and has a habit of finishing runner up to Woods which won't bother you in the slightest.

the few hours live coverage is a strange one - british open comes on at 6pm in sydney and goes till 4am - that is brilliant

how are they still 1.57? they was 1.6 @ the break

Masters don't go for as long Craig, field of 94, Open has 150 or so and plenty of the 94 are ceremonial, no chance of winning and you'll only see a highlight if they do something nice or you'll see them tap in on the last for nostalgic purposes, it is a unique tournament in that aspect. Best golf event from a betting perspective as you get Major prices when really it's pretty much the equivalent of a WGC event in terms of the depth in talent.

ok interesting thanks Hino

bbc2 now for anyone wanting to get them masters juices flowing..

if big phil shoots over par 1st round I will lump on at a decent price

is there reserves the masters

Darren Clarke pulled out

Siem missing top 50 by 3points

Laid off haas . Decided to just have Dufner and Snedeker and back Harrington top uk&ireland and top10 also backed branden grace top debutant

I had backed Streelman for outright win at combined odds of 526. I have just layed him off at 390 and then backed him on the without woods market for 330.

It's a no-brainer, don't you think?

I pointed out yesterday, on this thread, that he was a big price (still in the 500s at the time)

Well done merson.

Tiger for me folks.

I know it is unoriginal but he looks in control and his putting of late has been extraordinary.

The big thing for me is that he has managed to eliminate the left side of the golf course again which means he knows where he is going to miss if he puts a bad swing on it - from a golfers point of view, thats worth its weight in gold. Add the short game into the mix and, for me, 5-1 (Average price ive backed him at) is massive. Starting to get his aura back too so fingers crossed. If he wins, Im going to the first miami nba playoff game after the masters!!

Good luck all.

Eliminated the left side of the course? not on right to left dog legs he has'nt, tree saved him from OB on 9th at Bay Hill, in the water on 3, missed hole one 3 out of 4 times, and played a cut shot on 6th every day, I think he is very scared of the hook still

I forgot to add his shots into the greens averaged over 32 feet on left pins at Bay Hill as well, while approx 20ft for right hand pins.

Tiger plays with Luke, and Scott Piercy

Rory, with Freddie Jac, and Bradley.

Thursday Time     Players
8 a.m.             Sandy Lyle     John Peterson     Nathan Smith
8:11 a.m.     Larry Mize     Brian Gay     Russell Henley
8:22 a.m.     Ian Woosnam     David Lynn     Kevin Na
8:33 a.m.     David Toms     Richard Sterne     Ted Potter Jr.
8:44 a.m.     Tom Watson     Ryan Moore     Kevin Streelman
8:55 a.m.     Robert Garrigus     Carl Pettersson     Tim Clark
9:06 a.m.     Mike Weir     Lee Westwood     Jim Furyk
9:17 a.m.     Brandt Snedeker     Ryo Ishikawa     Justin Rose
9:28 a.m.     Jose Maria Olazabal     Marc Leishman     T.J. Vogel
9:39 a.m.     Charl Schwartzel     Webb Simpson     Peter Hanson
9:50 a.m.     Zach Johnson     K.J. Choi     Graeme McDowell
10:12 a.m.     Michael Thompson     John Huh     John Senden
10:23 a.m.     Stewart Cink     Nicolas Colsaerts     Thaworn Wiratchant
10:34 a.m.     Bubba Watson     Ian Poulter     Steven Fox
10:45 a.m.     Tiger Woods     Luke Donald     Scott Piercy
10:56 a.m.     Jason Day     Rickie Fowler     Padraig Harrington
11:07 a.m.     John Merrick     Thorbjorn Olesen     D.A. Points
11:18 a.m.     Craig Stadler     Ben Curtis     Michael Weaver
11:29 a.m.     Mark O'Meara     Martin Laird     Jamie Donaldson
11:40 a.m.     Paul Lawrie     Thomas Bjorn     Gonzalo Fernandez-Castano
11:51 a.m.     Trevor Immelman     George Coetzee     Alan Dunbar
12:13 p.m.     Ernie Els     Steve Stricker     Nick Watney
12:24 p.m.     Ben Crenshaw     Matteo Manassero     Tianlang Guan
12:35 p.m.     Bernhard Langer     Lucas Glover     Henrik Stenson
12:46 p.m.     Vijay Singh     Bo Van Pelt     Y.E. Yang
12:57 p.m.     Angel Cabrera     Sergio Garcia     Adam Scott
1:08 p.m.     Fred Couples     Dustin Johnson     Branden Grace
1:19 p.m.     Hunter Mahan     Hiroyuki Fujita     Francesco Molinari
1:30 p.m.     Phil Mickelson     Louis Oosthuizen     Martin Kaymer
1:41 p.m.     Rory McIlroy     Keegan Bradley     Fredrik Jacobson
1:52 p.m.     Jason Dufner     Matt Kuchar     Bill Haas

For those exploring w/o Woods markets Betfair sportsbook are paying out if your selection comes second to Tiger

I don't know much about Golf but should I just lump on Tiger? I checked his results and looks as though he's won 3 from 5 this year. He must be in some good form!

Still vast majority of prices better on the exchange for the w/o Woods market.

Francesco Molinari ... 305
Jason Day.............. 69.12
Kevin Na ..............667.2
Michael Thompson.......460
Nicolas Colsaerts......120
Paul Lawrie............560
Russell Henley.........360
Webb Simpson...........103.8

Webb Simpson has form this year and hits it long.
I'll probably have a few more bets before the off.

i have never really thought of webb simpson as a long hitter, not saying you are wrong just not the impression i got.

Almost tempted to lump on Woods from the off, but will go with a couple of hopeful selections to trade with, Watney @85 & Ishikawa @780...gl all, enjoy.....Spring is finally here..

Weather unsettled.......good report this one is....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1598101-masters-weather-2013-updates-on-forecast-at-augusta-for-golfs-first-major

at the price i cant do anything except back woods so im putting on all my furyk profit from last week and hoping for the best!

Sky chanel 861 Masters preview with betting "experts" on now

Finally got my team together:

Keegan Bradley @ 50
Adam Scott @ 34
Dustin Johnson @ 34
Jason Dufner @ 60
Graeme McDowell @ 65
Scott Piercy @ 240
K J Choi @ 150
John Merrick @ 610

Got good prices on Bradley and K J Choi but took Dufner and Piercy too early.

GL all

20 eway sticker 66s pps
25 eway kuchar  40s corals
50 win dustbin 33s corals

was all over scott last year started backing him dec 2011 @ 50s and thought 2012 was a dissappointing year so find strange hes 30s here with lots of interest......he is a class act on his day and will probably will be crying into my alpen mon morn but t/out 2012 every tourny he threw in disparate round

Can't decide if its going to be a Tiger week or not so playing in the w/o Woods market. Smallish stakes on Donald, Hanson, Kaymer, D Johnson, Watney, Bradley, Oosthuisen, Coetzee, Coelsarts, Poulter and Dufner. Prices all seem fair value. Can't believe how low key Donald has been in build up, has been out of form but has the game to do well round here.

Scott is short every week

Apr 9, 2013 -- 4:25PM, therhino wrote:

Scott is short every week

And why ??

I have never previously backed Scott in any tourney but after some research I had to back him. Like you said bustino - he's a class act on his day.

Don't think he wins enough to justify the low prices on him every week. Hasn't won on tour since the Bridgestone in 2011, and has won in the US just twice in the last 5 years. Going by that his layers are loving him a lot more than his backers.

A guy like Watney for example, or Mahan or even Johnson Wagner you'd be far better off backing every week.

I fully accept your point rhino but as I stated I have never previously backed him. He was @34 until recently on here, how much higher do you feel he should be?

I don't know batman, not too much to be honest because the talent is there for all to see. Just not a fan of the conversion rate, I would need 38/40 to hit the back button, but the betfair model would struggle if we all agreed...

my picks

Lee Westwood            £14 @ 36
Padraig Harrington      £3  @ 95
Matteo Manassero        £15 @ 300
Jamie  Donaldson        £8  @ 570

also got a ongoing grand national e/w double on tiger £50 top 5 finish @ evens, and £10 win @ 5/1,

gl all

Apr 9, 2013 -- 4:50PM, therhino wrote:

Don't think he wins enough to justify the low prices on him every week. Hasn't won on tour since the Bridgestone in 2011, and has won in the US just twice in the last 5 years. Going by that his layers are loving him a lot more than his backers.

Precisely.

Apr 9, 2013 -- 4:55PM, brucewayne wrote:

I fully accept your point rhino but as I stated I have never previously backed him. He was @34 until recently on here, how much higher do you feel he should be?

80 on Betfair.

Snekky played better than Scott this year and got matched at 46 and 48. What would be better value? Scott or Snekky?

my last pre tourny bet is richard sterne @ 210 here for 30 waiting to be matched
he did me a nice favour in the joburg beating a gd field comprehensively
7 ahead of schwarzel and 6 times charls price here......schwarzel is another player has been awfull short this year teaing up in us

cant understand drift on kuchar out to 46s here won the players last year .....the accenture this year...

Again like rhino stated ski it's opinion at the end of the day and I think Scott is a better player than Brandt ( I know stats etc maybe don't back that up) but I watched Snedeker in his last two events and he hasn't be at it. So on that basis he deserves to be @46 for me personlly.

is UK 5 hours ahead?

Tiger, Rory or a lottery. Take your pick.

SP

winner

k bradley 2.5pts e/w 28/1 general(nap)
d johnson 2pts e/w 33/1 c (nb)
b watson 1.5pts e/w 40/1 general(other)
h mahan 1pt e/w 50/1 general
r sterne 0.5 e/w 200/1 pp

top amateur--s fox 4pts 10/3 563
top asian--kj choi 2pts e/e l
top debutant--n colsaerts 1pt 5/1 c
an american winner--5pts 4/5 l
lowest round--p mickleson 1pt 14/1 pp
bradley/johnson r/f 1,2 0.5pts 350/1 l
first round leader-j rose 1pt e/w 20/1 l,r sterne 0.5 e/w 150/1 b b c

JC

winner

1-p mickelson 16/1
2-k bradley 28/1
3-j rose 22/1

best outsider-r sterne 200/1
top senior- v singh 15/8

Piercy, Grace, Lynn to win, Bjorn first round leader, Dustin win in w/o Woods market. All on Betfair.
Poulter EW with the paddies.

Punters gone made for Keegan this week.

I don't get the Keegan thing,seems way to short to me,27 while Watney is 80.who i rate higher.All opinion suppose.

just back all the lefthanders.  Thank me after.

16/1 wh for big phil seems generous

scott hasnt played for 3 weeks dont fancy  him at all.. something must be wrong to miss the last 3 weeks

Nothing wrong with Adam..

Did the same thing last year, finished 8th

Did the same thing year before that, finished 2nd

Just has a very limited schedule.

Mark Allen talking on Oz radio today from Augusta says Adam looks sensational on the range, every ball was a 'laser'

why the massive drift on rory overnight?

Ended up doing quite a few in the end.

Wee Rory £200 12/1
Big Dusty £100 33/1
Sneds £100 @ 44

and various outsiders.

Field -£700.

Woods just cannot drive it straight.
Mickelson is all over the place.
Rose couldn't win if he was the only one in it.
Scott hasn't got the balls.

Just my humble opinion, of course.
Now roll on 1pm BST tomorrow, and let the games commence.

Tiger and phil might drive it allover the place but are still better than 99% of the field doing that.. If they have a good driving week then it will be a cakewalk

Tiger will be far too busy wooing his ex wife ?

Schwartzel main bet although recent form giving cause for concern,.  Fancy Gonzo Castano for a big week as the outsider.

HeinzGuderian
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Tiger will be far too busy wooing his ex wife ? Confused


WTF ?

Hopefully the weather won't muck the event up too much as i'm already eagerly anticipating the first tee shot tomorrow.Gone with the following anyway...

Hanson - £40e/w @ 80s
Jacobson - £40e/w @ 125s
Cink - £40e/w @ 200s
Merrick - £50 Top 5 @50s/£32 Win only @ 370s

Best of luck everyone.

Good luck all.

Main Bets:
D. Johnson
G. McDowell
J. Day

Speculative punts;
N. Watney, T. Olesen, KJ Choi, R. Garrigus, YE Yang, W. Simpson
Zach Johnson, Ryan Moore.

All in the w/o Woods market. ^

a without woods, lefty and rory market should be included

few firms have it sweetchildofmine,check oddschecker
done few dualforecasts in ladsbroke today lol

Webb Simpson_______103.8
Jason Day____________70.93
Kevin Na_____________667.2
Paul Lawrie__________560
Michael Thompson___460
Francesco Molinari___305
Russell Henley________360
Nicolas Colsaerts_____120

Topped up on Lucas Glover.

Can't believe his price.

OK, he doesn't have a great record round here, and hasn't been in the best of form, but he is more than capable.

He hits it long, with a natural draw, and if it does get as windy as some say, then maybe that will be to his advantage, as he hits it low.

An unlikely winner, but I'll take my chances at this price. Price too big.

New cut rule this year guys !!!!

This is from PGAtour.com :

AUGUSTA, Ga. -- Expect more players to reach the weekend at the Masters.

A new cut rule announced Wednesday by Masters chairman Billy Payne will allow all players in the top 50 (and ties) on the leaderboard to make the 36-hole cut. The rule goes into effect this week.


Since 1962, the Masters cut included just the low 44 players and ties (from 1957-61, the cut was 40 players plus ties).


"Now, more than 50 years later, we believe offering more playing opportunites for the participants over the weekend is a positive for everyone involved -- for the world's best players wishing to compete over four rounds; for our patrons enjoying the tournament here on site; and for those golf fans watching at home through our expansive worldwide television broadcast and our continually improving online digital platforms."

The cut rule that any player within 10 strokes of the leader makes the cut remains in effect.

The most players to make the Masters cut was 64 in 1966. The fewest is 44, which has happened on three occasions (2004 being the last time).

A field of 93 players will tee off in Thursday's first round.

on F Molinari and Freddie Jacobson. Backed Moli to win, top 5, top 10 and top 20. Will he make the cut?

you seem pretty sure he will

Henrik Stenson to go well for me.

Shocking last round last year - otherwise would have been in the mix.

Has hit a bit of form lately and due a good 'un.

2 holes long before the last round did for him

Yeh - you're right sweet.

Do fancy him tho'.

Matt Kuchar doesn't look bad at a price. Normally goes well here.

Who do you like ?

If it does rain and the course softens that plays right into the hands of Rory, not sure why he is on the drift with the weather forecast.

my three are

woods
bradley
dusty

rhino i sort of agree unless theres wind as well..he hits it high even in windy conditions

I think Woods will win but also have a couple of longer priced fancies

I think Richard Sterne will play well (200e/w outright 150e/w w/out Woods and 16s top Saffer).
A 6 time Euro winner who has come back from serious injury and is in in great form-played well when making cut pre-injury in 2008.

I also fancy Angel Cabrera to play well this week (125e/w outright)

Heart wants Westwood but hopefully 4 great nights coming up. Enjoy!!

@therhino.......sure has hell there has been consistent support for Justin now into 21ish. I backed him @24's but laid back too early @ 23's. Still, a free green. I have ended up with a red of €60 on Tiger from some unfortunate trading. And have him backed for a few weeks on Sportsbook when they were 1st to go 4/1. Will have to see that bet out for a round at least. I have a sneaky feeling G. Mc might be in the hunt at some stage and he may be a back to lay opportunity for small money. Best of luck to everybody. Enjoy the tournament and do not get caught in too deep.

oost, dj and charl,tricast.

Apr 10, 2013 -- 11:08AM, Biscar Two from a mile back wrote:

HeinzGuderian10 Apr 13 16:50Joined:12 Jun 11| Topic/replies: 2,434 | Blogger: HeinzGuderian's blogTiger will be far too busy wooing his ex wife ? ConfusedWTF ?

Ask pattyboy

Any special offers by the bookmakers?

Apr 10, 2013 -- 5:11PM, no moves wrote:

Any special offers by the bookmakers?

Nothing worth talking about.

Maybe they'll have some tommorow morning.

tiger for me folks

too solid me thinks, too many of the other main protagonists just not playing well enough at present and outsiders so rarely win this great event as its such an all round test.

good luck to all opposing tiger however if he shoots sub 71 tomorrow, i expect this to be over by saturday night (from a betting perspective)

charles schwartzel, angel cabrera, price around 66/1, and trevor immellman.........winners in the last 5 years.

Are you sure no outsiders ever win this?

tiger was near last in driving accuracy at bay hill and still won......i think he is due a good first round at the masters and i expect him to be odds on after friday.

Johnson 200/1 2007

Immelman 150/1 2008

Cabrera 140/1 2009

Schwartzal 100/1 2011

"Outsiders rarely win this  as its an all round test"

That is quote of the golf season so far for me

Awwwww whats wrong Heinz.. Did i hurt your feelings coz i didnt agree with you.... Ill agree with you when you stop talking garbage.. Tiger and phil never been the greatest of drivers but still win so what makes this masters different..

pattayaperv..you accuse Heinz of speaking rubbish!!!??
didnt you inform this forum that Tiger was back in his marital bed with Erin?
Now that is RUBBISH.

The w/o woods market compared to the normal winners market is interesting. I just laid off Els at 150 when i had backed previously at 180 on the outright, then re-backed him at 150 on the w/o Woods.

what do u guys use for live updates? i used the masters app last year it was miles behind

app miles behind--

Some drift on Rory.

IN the last 3 months.....busy bee.....31 traded and 5 not yet traded.

Good luck all.