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12 Sep 12
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sad news, another one gone, another blank week in europe
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Always enjoyed watching any event at Valderamma,so it's definitely going to be a miss.There will be a European Tour event that week though,for all that it will be in Australia.
Had to have a laugh at The European Tour statement regards the event being cancelled though.They are basically trying to shuffle the blame onto the regional government of Andalucia for going back on their word.I take it they were supporting the event in some way financially.I don't know if they've noticed down Wentworth way but Spain is in deep recession,in the midst of record unemployment and they're expecting the regional government to prop up their jamboree at Valderamma.
Had to have a laugh at The European Tour statement regards the event being cancelled though.They are basically trying to shuffle the blame onto the regional government of Andalucia for going back on their word.I take it they were supporting the event in some way financially.I don't know if they've noticed down Wentworth way but Spain is in deep recession,in the midst of record unemployment and they're expecting the regional government to prop up their jamboree at Valderamma.
Not really Donny
Been on the cards for a while and there is a co sanctioned event in Perth WA that week
Been on the cards for a while and there is a co sanctioned event in Perth WA that week
The european tour need to have a long hard think about what type of tour they want.
They are going to have to accept that the purses for events will be smaller.
The tour on mainland europe needs to evolve into more of a developmental tour.
They are going to have to accept that the purses for events will be smaller.
The tour on mainland europe needs to evolve into more of a developmental tour.
Having an English Open, would be a step in the right direction.
Virtually every country on earth has an open, except England. Fkin joke.
Spain has traditionally been the host for a number of events, but it is clear, in light of their current financial plight, that things are not going to improve in the near future.
How long before the Fedex bubble bursts ? Can't see anyone filling those shoes.
I find it rather sickening that a golfer can win that amount of money from a 30 man event.
Virtually every country on earth has an open, except England. Fkin joke.
Spain has traditionally been the host for a number of events, but it is clear, in light of their current financial plight, that things are not going to improve in the near future.
How long before the Fedex bubble bursts ? Can't see anyone filling those shoes.
I find it rather sickening that a golfer can win that amount of money from a 30 man event.
The purses in the US have been falling in real terms. They are no higher than 3 or 4 years ago. That said they are huge when compared to what is on offer around the world however for the moment sponsors are prepared to pay.
The fed ex cup event isn't really a 30man event it is the culmination of a seasons work although i agree the bonus prize winning seems excessive.
It isn't that long ago there were multiple events in England. Unfortunately the money is no longer there. The fact the european tour demand a minimum prize fund isn't helping.
The fed ex cup event isn't really a 30man event it is the culmination of a seasons work although i agree the bonus prize winning seems excessive.
It isn't that long ago there were multiple events in England. Unfortunately the money is no longer there. The fact the european tour demand a minimum prize fund isn't helping.
It would only take BMW to pull out of golf sponsorship, then the place would fall apart.
The FedEx Cup is great for the fans, but I think the format is far too reliant on the play-offs in terms of prize money and points. I suppose that's the draw to get people playing in it but to me it rewards the odd week of brilliance against those who have been consistently good all season.
Apparently was something to do with the local govt now being a communist and didn't want to support an elitest sport.
The tour should look to what happened at the Irish Open this year for where the future lies. Sadly the money is in China where tbh one man and his dog watching would double the average spectator numbers per hole.
The tour should look to what happened at the Irish Open this year for where the future lies. Sadly the money is in China where tbh one man and his dog watching would double the average spectator numbers per hole.
Fries isnt that the essence of 'play offs' that it is peaking at the right moment.
The Fed ex cup has been a great culmination to the season. Getting all the top names together at a time that 5 years ago was dead.
The Fed ex cup has been a great culmination to the season. Getting all the top names together at a time that 5 years ago was dead.
Golf is growing in china all the time. Now it is in the olympics it wont be long before they are producing top players.
Would surprise me if in thirty years the number 2 tour is in China
Would surprise me if in thirty years the number 2 tour is in China
Fuming at the way the European Tour handled this annoucement...
I got a email from Denno Snr yesterday telling me about this, then checked out the website..
The statement on the website says that it was decided on Monday to cancel the event, yet they only announce it on the website yesterday! WTF...
Might not mean much to most on here, but the timing of that annoucement has cost me dearly.
On Tuesday I booked flights and hotel to go to Perth to watch young Daniel Denison play, purely on the basis that he would probably get into the Perth event as the bigger names would be playing in Andalucia....most unlikely he will get in Perth now and just like in Malaysia earlier on in the year I will be travelling to an event to watch a player who never even started...
The European Tour couldn't run a p!ss up in a brewery!
Anyone want to buy a Manila/Perth return flight ticket:-(
I got a email from Denno Snr yesterday telling me about this, then checked out the website..
The statement on the website says that it was decided on Monday to cancel the event, yet they only announce it on the website yesterday! WTF...
Might not mean much to most on here, but the timing of that annoucement has cost me dearly.
On Tuesday I booked flights and hotel to go to Perth to watch young Daniel Denison play, purely on the basis that he would probably get into the Perth event as the bigger names would be playing in Andalucia....most unlikely he will get in Perth now and just like in Malaysia earlier on in the year I will be travelling to an event to watch a player who never even started...
The European Tour couldn't run a p!ss up in a brewery!
Anyone want to buy a Manila/Perth return flight ticket:-(
Also just noticed that the Singapore Open will invite only 63 European Tour members, and 63 Asian Tour members....my advice to any young player trying to make a name for himself who wants to get a few starts on the European Tour....JOIN THE ASIAN TOUR:-)
Steady on Red, a few rum and cokes involved there LOL.
One guy potentially wins 10m USD on the PGA. Andalucia is cancelled for a lack of cash. Tells the story.
Please, please get it right today I have a migraine coming on.
One guy potentially wins 10m USD on the PGA. Andalucia is cancelled for a lack of cash. Tells the story.
Please, please get it right today I have a migraine coming on.
You know I never post when under the influence Denno
And I only drink Rum and Coke when it's your round, hehe
300/1 taken for 1st Rd Leader...need to get my Perth money back somehow:-)
And I only drink Rum and Coke when it's your round, hehe
300/1 taken for 1st Rd Leader...need to get my Perth money back somehow:-)
With Portugal the week before, it will mean a lot of travelling for those players to get to Perth, a few may miss the trip
Unfortunately the Spanish economy is under a lot of pressure , and golf in Spain is not for the masses ( unlike Holywood , Co Down ) . Interesting to see the rounds played in Spain exploded out by nationality if available .
Timing also poor , with Fedex and Ryder Cup hogging the headlines , who would try to run a tournament for " stars" faced with opposition like that .
Shelving / cancellation an obvious consequence , pity as venue and weather would be excellent probably . Sign of the times .
Timing also poor , with Fedex and Ryder Cup hogging the headlines , who would try to run a tournament for " stars" faced with opposition like that .
Shelving / cancellation an obvious consequence , pity as venue and weather would be excellent probably . Sign of the times .
the money the tourist board or local council spent must surely be recovered by the exposure the area receives
and the visitors that turn up throughout the year, driven by golf tourism and non golf tourism
i was down that way for easter, not golfing, but i am sure that having all the golf stuff saved into
my favourites helped sway me into going there
hasta la vista !
and the visitors that turn up throughout the year, driven by golf tourism and non golf tourism
i was down that way for easter, not golfing, but i am sure that having all the golf stuff saved into
my favourites helped sway me into going there
hasta la vista !
A lot of the tourist areas of the world are set up for the years of plenty we were largely experiencing up to about 2008 . Spain is just one of those , and over dependence on tourism does carry dangers if there is any recession . People just dont travel , dont buy properties , dont play golf ( abroad) , tighten their belts , etc . Hard to get the fire burning again , dying embers .
Dont think this will be the only casualty in the foreseeable , everybody has to sit on an egg less . And with the unemployment figures for the young people in Spain that I have seen quoted the Spanish economy is not going to spark from within . Pity , some nice spots in Spain ( as well as the horrible tourist driven spots you cant wait to escape from ) .
Free entry today for the Italian golf , we have had similar in recent years for odd days in these isles , but you cant keep doing it too often , money makes the world go around !
Dont think this will be the only casualty in the foreseeable , everybody has to sit on an egg less . And with the unemployment figures for the young people in Spain that I have seen quoted the Spanish economy is not going to spark from within . Pity , some nice spots in Spain ( as well as the horrible tourist driven spots you cant wait to escape from ) .
Free entry today for the Italian golf , we have had similar in recent years for odd days in these isles , but you cant keep doing it too often , money makes the world go around !
duffman is worth watching, red. he's coming to perth.
All about numbers through the gates. I have been to the last two matchplays at Finca and the last two events at Valderrama. Crowds were ludicrously thin; ironically, this made for the best viewing by far.
A shame, but no real surprise. There were probably five times as many people playing on courses in the region than fans at either of the aforementioned.
A shame, but no real surprise. There were probably five times as many people playing on courses in the region than fans at either of the aforementioned.
No Madrid Masters this year either and apparently if it wasn't for Jimenez putting his hand into his own back pocket,The Open de Andulucia that Julien Quesne won this year wouldn't have happened either.It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better as well.
Money through the gates is chicken feed. Tournaments need sponsors. That is the big problem europe has.
Thinking about that , Mighty , you are probably right for most tournaments these days in Europe .
Think it was free entry for Italian Open , certainly yesterday , and it was well supported , not sure how many there would be there if it required parting with 20 euros or so at the gate .
The Irish Open was well attended , reckon there must have been 100,000 paying customers through the gates ( plus the complementaries etc ) . At £15 a head per day ( approx , and a guesstimate ) thats about £1.5 million . But the cost of running the tournament , apart from prize money , must be substantial , and would knock a big hole in gate receipts re net income . The sponsors put up about £2 million I think , most of that going in prize money . But no way the paying public would be funding prize money plus cost of staging event .
And outside the Open , the Irish Open was reportedly the best attended tournament in Europe this year . So apart from sponsors putting their hands in their pockets golf would not appear to be a paying proposition based on supporters paying unsubsidised entry fees .
The fact that people pay £30 plus every week to watch 22 overpaid guys for 90 minutes kicking a ball about a small unattractive piece of grass ( comparatively) contrasts sharply with that , and queries core values in entertainment in my book . And they also have sponsors and ways of parting punters from their money .
Did Andy Murray get paid for winning the Olympic tennis title last month ? Or was it just for glory ? Might have bearings on proposed Olympic golf , some players expressed very negative opinions some years back about their income from the event compared with the revenue it generated .
Think it was free entry for Italian Open , certainly yesterday , and it was well supported , not sure how many there would be there if it required parting with 20 euros or so at the gate .
The Irish Open was well attended , reckon there must have been 100,000 paying customers through the gates ( plus the complementaries etc ) . At £15 a head per day ( approx , and a guesstimate ) thats about £1.5 million . But the cost of running the tournament , apart from prize money , must be substantial , and would knock a big hole in gate receipts re net income . The sponsors put up about £2 million I think , most of that going in prize money . But no way the paying public would be funding prize money plus cost of staging event .
And outside the Open , the Irish Open was reportedly the best attended tournament in Europe this year . So apart from sponsors putting their hands in their pockets golf would not appear to be a paying proposition based on supporters paying unsubsidised entry fees .
The fact that people pay £30 plus every week to watch 22 overpaid guys for 90 minutes kicking a ball about a small unattractive piece of grass ( comparatively) contrasts sharply with that , and queries core values in entertainment in my book . And they also have sponsors and ways of parting punters from their money .
Did Andy Murray get paid for winning the Olympic tennis title last month ? Or was it just for glory ? Might have bearings on proposed Olympic golf , some players expressed very negative opinions some years back about their income from the event compared with the revenue it generated .
britain had to suspend its sport taxation laws to enable the olympics to attract top athletes
i'm not sure if the irish open gets a waiver if its played within northern ireland
seemingly garcia has had issues about playing in the open in the past because of our silly tax laws
and
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/consumertips/tax/9475125/...
i'm not sure if the irish open gets a waiver if its played within northern ireland
seemingly garcia has had issues about playing in the open in the past because of our silly tax laws
and
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/consumertips/tax/9475125/...
thats,,,,,,,,, UK- until
in the starred out bit above, without the space
lol at the censors
in the starred out bit above, without the space
lol at the censors
Prospective sponsors do not want to invest in tournaments - sky-broadcast or not - where tumbleweed is the only thing seen blowing along the side of the fairway. The courses have a higher yield on turnstile clicks than TV clicks; its no surprise a club like Valderrama has given up easily.
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