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G Hall
14 Dec 19 22:09
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In my quest to succeed in betting, I would like to get the views on what are considered the biggest mistakes in betting, that separates the full time punter,from the wannabes like me .

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By:
moonaxed
When: 15 Dec 19 02:40
The biggest mistake with problem/losing punters on horses particularly, is the shorter the price the more they put on..you should have more on the bigger priced selection if  you fancy one
By:
G Hall
When: 15 Dec 19 08:35
Good point I can identify with that.
By:
TameTheTiger
When: 15 Dec 19 11:26
Overstaking, and chasing losses. Id advise sticking to level stakes, only increasing if your bank grows significantly.
By:
G Hall
When: 15 Dec 19 11:45
Two more failings that I recognize only too well.

To make it worthwhile what size bank would be needed,to start with.
By:
ImSoLuckyLucky!
When: 15 Dec 19 13:00
Dosent matter what size your bank is
Think time form suggest a
40 multiply

e.g
if your a £100 STAKE PLAYER
yOU HAVE £4K

Bank

Wink
By:
viva el presidente!
When: 15 Dec 19 14:14
Betting on emotion.
By:
starship
When: 15 Dec 19 18:09
1% of your betting bank
you have £1000
your mimimum bet is £10
if your bank goes to £1500....mimimum bet £15

and if u go skint...this game is not for you
By:
betting_masta
When: 15 Dec 19 18:18
not devising a method which reliably beats the odds. you can have any staking plan you like and a huge bank but if you cannot feasibly beat the odds then you'll lose long term
By:
starship
When: 15 Dec 19 18:41
it is very easy to beat the odds.
taking early prices is the easiest way.
now getting on is the hard part.
i have had at least 15 bet365 accounts this years, all have been closed
By:
mega88
When: 15 Dec 19 20:04

Dec 15, 2019 -- 1:09PM, starship wrote:


1% of your betting bankyou have £1000your mimimum bet is £10if your bank goes to £1500....mimimum bet £15and if u go skint...this game is not for you


Good advice with 1% although if you haven't got the foundations set it'll all collapse, by foundations I mean the emotional side of gambling, it is only you who presses the bet button, can you handle multiple losing bets and keep your cool and stick to the plan. Most can't. Can you handle greed? Are you disciplined to within an inch of your life ?

By:
mega88
When: 15 Dec 19 20:07
Observe yourself and your betting habits, become DIRECTLY conscious of what you are doing and analyse at each step. Most are stuck in habitual ways and will keep on losing.
By:
G Hall
When: 15 Dec 19 22:00
Thanks for the replies guys,

Starship when you mention 1% is that maximum or minimum.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 16 Dec 19 00:46
Judgement, knowledge, cunning, mathematical intelect, technological prowess, contacts, emotional stability, motivation and a work ethic is what separates
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 16 Dec 19 00:59
I should add bravery, but bravery is a double edged sword as it's an asset in a shrewd punter, but a huge liability in a not so smart punter, whereas all the others  are only beneficial.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 16 Dec 19 01:06
Think cunning, think Barney Curley, think brave, think Harry Findlay, think all of the below, think Tony Bloom
By:
Rigsby
When: 16 Dec 19 11:08
@ G Hall

Your various recent posts suggest that you are not succeeding (not a criticism just an observation)
There is no one size fits all answer to your question because we are all individuals with differing nuances, skill sets and circumstances.
I am a mentor in another field, so I will ask you a couple of questions and if you reply we can continue with more Q & A's to try and help you :

1. Why do you think you can be successful?

2. What sports and markets do you bet in and why?

P.S. I read the following on social media so I take no credit for it, but I like it : "The betting market isn't there to beat anybody. It's just there to pass money from those that think they know what they are doing, to those that actually know what they are doing"
By:
starship
When: 16 Dec 19 12:07
Starship when you mention 1% is that maximum or minimum.
a standard bet.
1% of your betting bank.
and if you start showing a profit,1% of a thousand is a £10 bet.
bank goes to £1500...mimnmum bet £15.
if you bet winners your bank will grow.
u dont need money, you need winners
By:
G Hall
When: 16 Dec 19 13:38
Clydebank Rigsby and Starship thanks for your replies since I last looked in.

I bet mainly horseracing and football. I have a good working knowledge of horseracing and do ok at picking winners,especially on the all weather. I generally bet in non handicaps in both codes.

My biggest problem is overstaking  and chasing sometimes I think it borders on addiction, but I am not addicted, as I can take breaks away from it.

As a new year approaches I would like to erase the bad habits and just prove to myself that I can make a go of it.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 16 Dec 19 15:31
If you just bet v small amounts, you won't chase and you won't overstake.  It's much easier to win betting small amounts as the market will accomodate you at better prices.  Then if you still don't make a profit, it's very likely you never will.
By:
Rigsby
When: 16 Dec 19 17:42
@ G Hall

I have to be careful what I say because we do not know each other (not that you should give personal info on this forum) and my following comments to your post at 2.38pm are personal to you. My way is to get mentees to think for themselves and come to their own decisions by way of questions and answers, and it works best one to one. I do not criticise, I just point out the facts, sometimes offer an alternative point of view and challenge opinions.

“I have a good working knowledge of horseracing and do ok at picking winners, especially on the all weather”
“My biggest problem is overstaking  and chasing sometimes”

Two sort of contradictory statements, because if you do OK then there is no chasing required, and overstaking is not a problem if your bets are successful.

Some suggestions are: Fully understand your reasoning for placing a bet (back or lay) and that it represents value. Test your methodology and record all your selections and review to see which were and which were not successful and why. Don’t believe all the profitable hype and systems and strategies espoused on social media – the guys are selling something. Decide whether you are horse racing or soccer and concentrate on that.


If you wish to PM me that’s fine, otherwise I am uncomfortable continuing on this thread for the reasons stated above.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 17 Dec 19 13:37
Overstaking and chasing is addiction.
By:
raspberrybottom
When: 18 Dec 19 22:55
Agree with a lot of the comments on this thread.

Bit obvious some of this but here we go:

Put money aside for your betting bank (if necessary save it up and it must be separate from "living" money).

I have three sports that I bet on - Football, American Football and Horseracing.

I split my bank in the ratio 4:3:3 (UK footy : American footy : racing).

My stakes are: 2% of UK Football bank, 2% of American football bank and 1% of Horse-racing bank.


Concentrate on sports you know something about.

I back singles (but have the occasional e/w bet on the horses where I will split my stake).

I never back odds-on in any sport.

I don't bet on Premier League games but concentrate on the Championship and EFL - no Cup games

and no other leagues.

I have my own ratings systems for UK and American football, and follow three different methods on the horses - these run separately

throughout the year - Jumps, AW and Turf flat.


At the end of each month I withdraw any profit - this sounds a bit "wussy" but I feel comfortable doing this.

(If I have had a losing month, I adjust the three banks in the ratio 4:3:3 and carry on from there.

It's slow and it can be boring. You need plenty of patience and discipline - stick to your staking percentage.

Since September 5th I have had exactly 301 bets with 114 winners. My wins are pretty evenly strewn across the

three sports but the poorest strike rate is on Horse-racing. However, the biggest prices are there.
By:
raspberrybottom
When: 19 Dec 19 09:25
Buy yourself an accounts type book or ledger - can get one for a few quid.

Record every bet in a format that suits you so that you can quickly see

strike rates, number of bets, percentage increase/decrease, etc. I find it easier looking through this

book than staring at three or four pages online and it's a physical record of what you've done.
By:
G Hall
When: 19 Dec 19 13:28
Some excellent thought provoking posts on here thanks guys.
By:
Injera
When: 20 Dec 19 09:06
G Hall 14 Dec 19 23:09 
In my quest to succeed in betting

I would ask this question (of you and myself..) - what defines success? Some pocket money, a second or even the main income?

I think betting can also be a low cost, enjoyable hobby which is a success in itself. By having a punt it can provide an interest in sports you otherwise wouldn't enjoy.

The study of form of any sport is a cerebral past time and mixed with the game or race itself provides a lot of fun.

Staking a fixed percentage of one's bank means losses are kept to a minimum.

E.G. £1000 bank. 2% Stake = £20

Bank sinks to £500. 2% stake = £10

Bank sinks to 200. 2% stake = £4

Bank sinks to £100. 2% stake = £2

The bank will last a long time unless we're hopeless. Winners WILL come!
By:
Latalomne
When: 20 Dec 19 09:26
Steadfastly refusing to believe that price is everything.
By:
starship
When: 21 Dec 19 12:24
The bank will last a long time unless we're hopeless. Winners WILL come!

BUT all you are doing is delaying the eventually, ..
By:
starship
When: 21 Dec 19 12:25
what is the point of a £2 bet....not being horrible,
are you betting to make a living or just a bit of fun
By:
ZEALOT
When: 21 Dec 19 23:43
There profit expectations are far too high . Say you have Joe Punter 100 X £200 win bets on horses , what would his profit expectation be ??

Is he aware that a 2k profit is a very good return ? I say definitely not , he  wants 40/50k at least !!

Many are not aware of this .
By:
Get me a drink
When: 22 Dec 19 10:13
Watch out for those losing streaks. Ouch!
By:
starship
When: 22 Dec 19 13:59
two things
you must have a edge
betting a selection over the price it represents;
football, all the stats are there, the only edge is IF  you know the team news before anyone else.
cricket..the same as above.
horse racing, unless you are in the know, very hard,
greyhound racing, this where u have a chance,
study the form, watch the vids, plenty of ricks on the earlies, if u can get on,
and there is value on betfair if you want to go againgst the obivious,
i know at least four people that have hit the premium charge,
not easy, nothing is,
if we could study stats and make a profit, everyone would do it,
hard work, that is the answer,
good luck to you all
By:
ZEALOT
When: 22 Dec 19 17:57
Starship that's the biggest myth of them.all . You do not have to be on the know to profit from horseracing . That's what many think but it's so far from the truth .
By:
ZEALOT
When: 22 Dec 19 17:57
Starship that's the biggest myth of them.all . You do not have to be on the know to profit from horseracing . That's what many think but it's so far from the truth .
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Dec 19 15:55
Never listen to trainers or jockeys.
Owners even worse.
Never read racing blogs either.
Noted in running - all a load of tripe.

All that matters is the form, and the class it was achieved in.

For a start.

Everything you need to know is given away free.
By:
bigmo
When: 27 Dec 19 16:01
It's been mentioned staking. If you haven't got the discipline to bet only 1% of your bank walk away now. Very few people can do that sadly.

If that doesn't get you, boredom bets will.

Best Of Luck.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Dec 19 16:28
You can't buy winners, you have to dig them out yourself.
By:
G Hall
When: 27 Dec 19 22:48
Dr C
Class is simple,but what is form, VDW said "one performance is better than another" but he never explained it.

Bigmo
A very good point,if my bank is 1000, I would not have the temperament to stake 10 pound.
By:
mepoor
When: 28 Dec 19 01:26
we always think and I am as bad as anyone for it thinking if we had good day then 1% betting was silly but the point is , if we had bad day then we saved money. One thing I have learned is there is no cert in any sport on any day. I would say the  1% bank bet is the safest
thing you could do and have a lot of fun with it. i will be having 11 bets tomorrow all for £10 and that's it win or loss. So the most I will loss is 110 and if I have good day I would be delighted to get up by any amount. So  it is small increase or small loss or at worst loss of total= 10% of bank on day. As for form we would all be rich if it worked perfect it dosn,t but its all we have so we look into there last runs and try see if any clues as how they will run to day and if we judge it right they will run good race but might still not win. So the bottom line is it is really difficult on horse racing to get winners. Here is my eleven so every one will know how I done tomorrow and will get ridiculed for it.
12 05 newbury drewmain legend
12 10 Catterick pinch of ginger
1 15 newbury ardmayle
1 50 newbury point of princable
2 25 newbury polydora
2 30 Catterick solid strike
2 40 Leicester glance back
3 05 Catterick cudgel
3 15 liecester little rory mac
3 35 newbury diable de sivola
3 45 Leicester finnegans garden
By:
trader pj
When: 28 Dec 19 20:15
the biggest mistakes they make are : (1) not taking a loss early and walking away (2) averaging a loser, which is a version of (1) for idiots
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