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Exchange Liquidity RIP?
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And there he goes gain, Brum v Brom, exact same pattern. Huge amounts appearing on 0.5.
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What I find STRANGE is that 0.5 was never a big money market with that amount of money waiting to be BACKED by a suicidal layer, especially in a championship game. Very odd.....
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14k layed in one spike on 0.5 and at same time 5.5k on 0-0. Same guy every time I'm sure...
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Looking at Saturday markets remember PL game 12:30 on betdak was 500k matched mecause of 0 commission. Betfair - 1h to go 350k matched huge game Tottenham at Wembley playing Liverpool. Betfair do somtehing with customers, they are not here!
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remember the 'daq counts matched volume differently to here (though the difference will be less marked on Football than Racing)
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They double up matched volume here though anyway so unless **** triples it not sure how it could be inflated!
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lol I did a swear. Bet-dook.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but Bet-dook multiply stake by odds. So £2 on 20 would show as £40 matched there and just £4 on Betfair. In other words, Bet-dook show stake plus liability whereas Betfair shows stake plus stake.
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Am I the only one to read siwaadupa post as £500K matched against £350K BUT the Betfair's figure was at 11.30
and Purple's was much later (possibly at kick off or at the end of the game) There is no way that they are from the same time which made the whole post meaningless. |
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@Just Checking
if you match £2 @ 100 on here, BF counts that as £4 matched (as you say, it's doubled) if you match £2 @ 100 on the 'daq or mbook, they count the £2 backer's stake and £198 layer's liability and call it £200 matched. So the effect isn't huge in Tennis and Football when very often the selections are trading around 2.0 or 3.0, but can be marked in Racing. (or I could have just read what Templeton wrote before I started typing) |
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@longbridge Haha! I was wondering whilst reading your post why you were just repeating what I said!
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Lunatic 0-0 layer seems to have decided AC milan is the call tonight. 0.5s currently sitting by my recking approximately DOUBLE the odds they should be.
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Re how much is traded, far prefer the betfair way as it makes sense, the betdook way sounds totally stupid and contrived to make the volume seem bigger.
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0.5 now up from 20 to 46. Unbelievable. I sometimes wonder if it's some rich person like a fairly dim footballer with money to burn having a laugh, it doesn't make "gambling" sense.
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2000 matched on 44. Who is that confident it won't be 0-0 they'll punt 44k liability laying it, along with all the other huge amounts?
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Just Checking 20 Sep 18 19:29
Re how much is traded, far prefer the betfair way as it makes sense, the betdook way sounds totally stupid and contrived to make the volume seem bigger. Is there any difference between a £200 back at 1.01 and a £2 lay at 100 ? Both staking 200 to win 2 On the other site I'm not sure but reading above it seems both count the same towards volume. On here the former counts £400 towards volume matched and the latter £4. Now that seems totally stupid to me |
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0-0 man stung on the Chelsea game but not deterred
 He's going after the Arsenal game. 0-0 now trading at 40. More money than sense. |
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Yes saw that Hans. Always the same, some point a bit before kick off the sudden huge lay on 0.5 comes in.
Today he's driven it from what .. 32/34 to 40/42 with a single spike of looks like approx a £17.5k lay, and totals are: 38.00 £1,641 40.00 £34,152 Such huge liabilities! |
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Wasn't that move just in response to overs shortening across the board? Didn't look strange to me.
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No that's never the case with this, 2.5 rarely shifts in the slightest. And it's always huge big single lays that stand out as a massive spike on the traded chart. One of them the odds for 0-0 were pretty much double what they would normally be.
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Do the odds correct themselves quickly in-play JC?
Like others have said, just sounds like a great mug punt opportunity if they don't, trading opportunity if they do. |
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With the Arsenal match under 2.5 lengthened though. I was keeping an eye on it and 0-0 drifted as under 2.5 drifted. Didn't shoot out in one trade either.
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All I can say is I've seen countless examples of what I'm talking about above, and I follow these markets and have done for years.
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I'm not saying it's not happening but it didn't in that Arsenal match. I've been trading Premier League CS market for over a decade, albeit it's not something I put any effort into nowadays, and I didn't see anything unusual. I've been keeping an eye out for this layer but haven't seen him in the PL yet.
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Although if you're saying £34k was matched at 40 then maybe I missed something. I certainly didn't feel the move to 40 was unusual but that amount AT 40 is.
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Madrid vs bruge. Right now, look at 0.5, the huge amount suddenly laying 0.5, then look at 2.5.
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STrange the £7.7k suddenly laying 0.5 that was part of a push up to 19, noticably above the "odds", has just disappeared.
Is it you?  |
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Sounds to me as though its a cross-market PC play, albeit on weird lines. Since PC was introduced, losing is the new winning
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No. it's a high roller mug. Operated through a large chunk of the 16/17 season, built up his liabilities from about 100k in Nov 16 through to about 1 million in March 17, when he lost it all. Appeared for a game at the start of 17/18 (i assume it was the same person). Now been back for a month.
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Fascinating. Do you have any source on those figures?
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Just my records of the matches and the liabilities being compounded, it could be he was operating before that point to build up to the 100K but i didn't pick it up since the amounts weren't obvious with respect to overall market volume. Athletic Madrid vs Leverkusen Champions League in March 17 seems to be his major nemesis, though he did dabble in a couple of games the following weekend, before disappearing into the ether.
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Andriy is correct, I had a thread following his antics on the football forum a year or two back when he used to do it.
It was so bizarre I was trying to work out if it was just russian roulette or a wierd tactic or more "out there" theories. But high roller mug is probably correct :) |
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Birmingham game, unders coming down, but there goes the 7k 0.5 lay spike.
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Leeds v Brentford. 2.5 has not moved a JOT, pretty much flatline. And sure enough, once again, 0.5 shoots up from 17.5 to 23 in pretty much one bound, with graph showing a single clear lay of 8 thousand pounds up to 21 taking everything with it.
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I dont really get all this bot stuff . Just put your price up , back or lay , and leave it . Turn computer off and if it gets matched or not you are getting value over time if you are doing it correctly .
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