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undern
20 Feb 15 15:25
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Busy doing other things but still hang out on Betfair .... so will attempt another challenge.

All the usual ... stuff like betting on anything and everything. Will try and be sensible.

Will post up p&l etc but won't be spending much time on doing this.

Challenege started: 3:20pm 20th February 2015
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Report undern February 20, 2015 6:58 PM GMT
Typical start ... big loss then bigger win in the tennis ... Plain
Report s.kenbo February 20, 2015 9:33 PM GMT
Good luck, I enjoyed following your ups and downs when you did these before.
Report undern February 20, 2015 11:11 PM GMT
Challenge Update: I am not going to waste much time ... describing anything and everything with this challenge .... lets just say too many ups and downs ... but at least made a profit ...

Starting Bank:  £1000
20/2/2015       £1536

Greyhound Racing: £161.81 | Horse Racing: £307.43 | Rugby League: £157.25 | Tennis: -£90.72 Total P&L:  £535.77

Greyhound Racing    Showing 1 - 6 of 6 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Greyhound Racing / Romfd 20th Feb : OR 575m
20-Feb-15 20:34     20-Feb-15 20:37     12.14
Greyhound Racing / Sund 20th Feb : A6 450m
20-Feb-15 20:26     20-Feb-15 20:29     24.27
Greyhound Racing / Romfd 20th Feb : OR 225M
20-Feb-15 20:02     20-Feb-15 20:06     38.84
Greyhound Racing / Sund 20th Feb : A4 450m
20-Feb-15 19:54     20-Feb-15 19:58     28.31
Greyhound Racing / Sund 20th Feb : A3 450m
20-Feb-15 19:39     20-Feb-15 19:45     33.98
Greyhound Racing / Sund 20th Feb : A5 450m
20-Feb-15 19:25     20-Feb-15 19:32     24.27

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 15 of 15 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Wolv 20th Feb : 1m Mdn Stks
20-Feb-15 20:45     20-Feb-15 20:50     64.28
Horse Racing / Dund 20th Feb : 1m4f Hcap
20-Feb-15 20:35     20-Feb-15 20:42     48.55
Horse Racing / Wolv 20th Feb : 1m1f Hcap
20-Feb-15 20:15     20-Feb-15 20:19     72.82
Horse Racing / Wolv 20th Feb : 5f Hcap
20-Feb-15 19:45     20-Feb-15 19:49     -21.50
Horse Racing / Dund 20th Feb : 1m Mdn
20-Feb-15 19:35     20-Feb-15 19:41     242.75
Horse Racing / Dund 20th Feb : 7f Hcap
20-Feb-15 19:05     20-Feb-15 19:11     48.55
Horse Racing / Wolv 20th Feb : 5f Hcap
20-Feb-15 18:45     20-Feb-15 18:51     24.27
Horse Racing / Dund 20th Feb : 7f Mdn
20-Feb-15 18:05     20-Feb-15 18:11     10.49
Horse Racing / Wolv 20th Feb : 6f Hcap
20-Feb-15 17:45     20-Feb-15 17:51     43.69
Horse Racing / Ling 20th Feb : 1m Hcap
20-Feb-15 16:30     20-Feb-15 16:45     26.54
Horse Racing / Grey (RSA) 20th Feb : R3 1600m Plt
20-Feb-15 16:15     20-Feb-15 16:32     48.55
Horse Racing / Extr 20th Feb : 2m7f Hcap Hrd
20-Feb-15 16:20     20-Feb-15 16:27     -449.64
Horse Racing / Ling 20th Feb : 7f Hcap
20-Feb-15 16:00     20-Feb-15 16:10     106.81
Horse Racing / Extr 20th Feb : 2m1f Hcap Hrd
20-Feb-15 15:50     20-Feb-15 15:56     12.14
Horse Racing / Extr 20th Feb : 2m1f Nov Hrd
20-Feb-15 15:20     20-Feb-15 15:26     29.13

Rugby League    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Rugby League / Warrington v St George : Match Odds
20-Feb-15 20:00     20-Feb-15 21:49     157.25

Tennis    Showing 1 - 3 of 3 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Tennis / Stakhovsky v S Wawrinka : Match Odds
20-Feb-15 17:35     20-Feb-15 19:34     -250.00
Tennis / Halep v Wozniacki : Match Odds
20-Feb-15 16:21     20-Feb-15 18:15     459.28
Tennis / Ka Pliskova v Muguruza : Match Odds
20-Feb-15 13:08     20-Feb-15 16:05     -300.00
Report undern February 21, 2015 8:05 AM GMT
Gee ... lucky they suspended the betting while I was trying to bet more on this race .... 3p lost. I can handle that Laugh


2015-02-21
07:58    4775965740    2015-02-21
07:56     AUS Temo (AUS) 21st Feb / 07:55 R1 2000m Pace M / 4. Seeknyoushallfind
Lay        4.00    0.01    Lost    (0.03)
Report raspberrybottom February 21, 2015 9:08 AM GMT
Good luck, Undern.

Will keep an eye on it - as usual.Happy
Report s.kenbo February 21, 2015 9:38 AM GMT
Good start.
Report undern February 21, 2015 11:32 AM GMT
Cheers s.kenbo and raspberrybottom .... just glad I am busier during the week than I used to be so I can't spend 24/7 on here Laugh
Report undern February 21, 2015 7:25 PM GMT
Just had a very big win on under 5.5 goals in the MC match .... always tricky when you lump on (only because today's been a good one) and when to decide to green up ... this case I did it progressively. The sensible approach but boy you can't stop thinking about how much bigger it could have been .... prob end up losing most of it on greyhounds tonight .... Laugh ... anything good on TV tonight.

Just to be clear I won't be betting as frequently as I used to ... more to life nowadays.
Report undern February 21, 2015 11:57 PM GMT
Challenge Update:
All I can say is boy was that a (very) good day .... but then again I have done this type of thing many times and then in one fell swoop lose it all ... so I will try and keep a 'notion' of steadiness. Might take it easier tomorrow ... and not forgetting although still around in the office I am busy doing other things during the week to hang out on BF all day. FYI - I also have a nice green (£500 or so) on the cricket match inrunning (Afg innings) which will show once settled tomorrow.

Starting Bank:  £1000
20/2/2015       £1536
21/2/2015       £4003


Aussie: Greyhound Racing: £585.83 | Horse Racing: -£142.96 | Soccer: £437.66 Total P&L:  £880.53

UK: Greyhound Racing: -£637.01 | Horse Racing: £518.59 | Rugby League: £431.18 | Snooker: £106.81 | Soccer: £1,167.28 Total P&L:  £1,586.85

Greyhound Racing    Showing 1 - 3 of 3 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Greyhound Racing / Cann (AUS) 21st Feb : R4 530m FFA
21-Feb-15 12:05     21-Feb-15 12:06     384.92
Greyhound Racing / Cann (AUS) 21st Feb : R3 530m Final
21-Feb-15 11:42     21-Feb-15 11:44     192.46
Greyhound Racing / Hshm (AUS) 21st Feb : R4 410m Gr7
21-Feb-15 08:09     21-Feb-15 08:10     8.45

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 9 of 9 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Tera (AUS) 21st Feb : R9 1680m Pace M
21-Feb-15 11:30     21-Feb-15 11:34     -200.00
Horse Racing / Asct (AUS) 21st Feb : R6 1400m Hcap
21-Feb-15 08:15     21-Feb-15 08:18     24.06
Horse Racing / APrk (AUS) 21st Feb : R2 1660m Pace M
21-Feb-15 08:05     21-Feb-15 08:09     83.20
Horse Racing / Tera (AUS) 21st Feb : R2 2180m Pace M
21-Feb-15 08:00     21-Feb-15 08:03     69.82
Horse Racing / Temo (AUS) 21st Feb : R1 2000m Pace M
21-Feb-15 07:55     21-Feb-15 07:58     -0.03
Horse Racing / Mngl (AUS) 21st Feb : R2 2400m Pace M
21-Feb-15 07:47     21-Feb-15 07:51     -150.00
Horse Racing / Asct (AUS) 21st Feb : R5 1400m 3yo
21-Feb-15 07:40     21-Feb-15 07:44     120.29
Horse Racing / APrk (AUS) 21st Feb : R1 2138m Pace M
21-Feb-15 07:35     21-Feb-15 07:40     30.28
Horse Racing / Tera (AUS) 21st Feb : R1 1680m Pace M
21-Feb-15 07:30     21-Feb-15 07:33     -120.58

Soccer    Showing 1 - 2 of 2 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Soccer / Adelaide v Western Sydney : Match Odds
21-Feb-15 08:30     21-Feb-15 10:31     227.92
Soccer / Sydney v Central Coast : Over/Under 4.5 Goals
21-Feb-15 06:00     21-Feb-15 07:48     209.74

Greyhound Racing    Showing 1 - 10 of 10 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Greyhound Racing / Newc 21st Feb : A1 480m
21-Feb-15 22:35     21-Feb-15 22:55     -472.25
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 21st Feb : A6 380m
21-Feb-15 22:26     21-Feb-15 22:29     -218.56
Greyhound Racing / Newc 21st Feb : A4 480m
21-Feb-15 21:48     21-Feb-15 22:09     48.55
Greyhound Racing / Newc 21st Feb : HC 480m
21-Feb-15 21:32     21-Feb-15 21:54     24.27
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 21st Feb : S6 540m
21-Feb-15 21:40     21-Feb-15 21:46     21.36
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 21st Feb : P2 380m
21-Feb-15 21:24     21-Feb-15 21:28     12.14
Greyhound Racing / Newc 21st Feb : HC 480m
21-Feb-15 20:42     21-Feb-15 21:05     33.01
Greyhound Racing / Newc 21st Feb : A8 480m
21-Feb-15 19:39     21-Feb-15 19:48     101.95
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 21st Feb : A8 380m
21-Feb-15 19:31     21-Feb-15 19:35     72.82
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 21st Feb : A7 380m
21-Feb-15 11:37     21-Feb-15 11:40     -260.30

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 16 of 16 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Chep 21st Feb : 2m NHF
21-Feb-15 17:20     21-Feb-15 17:25     72.82
Horse Racing / Newc 21st Feb : 2m NHF
21-Feb-15 17:10     21-Feb-15 17:16     48.55
Horse Racing / Ling 21st Feb : 5f Hcap
21-Feb-15 17:05     21-Feb-15 17:14     82.53
Horse Racing / Kemp 21st Feb : 2m NHF
21-Feb-15 16:55     21-Feb-15 16:59     -252.14
Horse Racing / Ling 21st Feb : 7f Hcap
21-Feb-15 16:00     21-Feb-15 16:04     48.55
Horse Racing / Kemp 21st Feb : 3m Grd3 Hcap Chs
21-Feb-15 15:45     21-Feb-15 15:56     48.55
Horse Racing / Chep 21st Feb : 2m Hcap Chs
21-Feb-15 15:35     21-Feb-15 15:42     179.88
Horse Racing / Newc 21st Feb : 2m6f Nov Hrd
21-Feb-15 15:30     21-Feb-15 15:38     48.55
Horse Racing / Ling 21st Feb : 1m4f Mdn Stks
21-Feb-15 14:50     21-Feb-15 14:54     48.55
Horse Racing / Chep 21st Feb : 3m Nov Hcap Chs
21-Feb-15 14:30     21-Feb-15 14:38     72.82
Horse Racing / Newc 21st Feb : 2m Hcap Hrd
21-Feb-15 14:20     21-Feb-15 14:27     -210.00
Horse Racing / Ling 21st Feb : 7f Hcap
21-Feb-15 14:15     21-Feb-15 14:20     24.27
Horse Racing / Fairy 21st Feb : 3m1f Grd2 Chs
21-Feb-15 14:05     21-Feb-15 14:14     189.34
Horse Racing / Kemp 21st Feb : 2m Grd2 Juv Hrd
21-Feb-15 14:00     21-Feb-15 14:05     194.20
Horse Racing / Chep 21st Feb : 2m4f Mdn Hrd
21-Feb-15 13:55     21-Feb-15 14:02     -116.72
Horse Racing / Kemp 21st Feb : 2m4f Hcap Chs
21-Feb-15 13:25     21-Feb-15 13:31     38.84

Rugby League    Showing 1 - 2 of 2 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Rugby League / Wigan v Brisbane : Match Odds - Golden Point
21-Feb-15 20:00     21-Feb-15 22:09     3.27
Rugby League / Wigan v Brisbane : Match Odds
21-Feb-15 20:00     21-Feb-15 21:54     427.91

Snooker    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Snooker / M Williams v Woollaston : Match Odds
21-Feb-15 19:00     21-Feb-15 22:55     106.81

Soccer    Showing 1 - 4 of 4 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Soccer / Man City v Newcastle : Over/Under 5.5 Goals
21-Feb-15 17:30     21-Feb-15 19:20     1,019.73
Soccer / Hull v QPR : Match Odds
21-Feb-15 15:00     21-Feb-15 16:54     35.44
Soccer / Chelsea v Burnley : Match Odds
21-Feb-15 15:00     21-Feb-15 16:53     -90.16
Soccer / Middlesbrough v Leeds : Over/Under 2.5 Goals
21-Feb-15 12:15     21-Feb-15 14:14     202.27
Report undern February 22, 2015 12:44 AM GMT
gee glad I stayed up for the Nadal match ... exciting finish and I even "played" it like a trader (towards the end with Nadal looking like a slight groin strain ...)

Big low odds bust in that match ....
Report undern February 22, 2015 12:48 AM GMT
Tennis    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Tennis / Nadal v Fognini : Match Odds
21-Feb-15 22:04     22-Feb-15 00:45     693.74

Good start to today's betting (Sunday) ..... yes I know this nice run of betting won't last or I will do my nuts and lose it all .... then I again I may end up being fairly sensible.
Report BJT February 22, 2015 3:04 AM GMT
You are obviously trading, with very nice results, so no reason at all to think you will do your nuts.  Would be silly to risk anything if you can do that trading.
Report s.kenbo February 22, 2015 9:22 AM GMT
CoolCoolCool
Report mikenz February 22, 2015 9:33 AM GMT

Feb 22, 2015 -- 12:44AM, undern wrote:


gee glad I stayed up for the Nadal match ... exciting finish and I even "played" it like a trader (towards the end with Nadal looking like a slight groin strain ...)Big low odds bust in that match ....


nadal had probably scratched his bum once too much, it probably caved in or something, gee sometimes his antics are amusing.

Report undern February 22, 2015 10:24 AM GMT
BJT - I do a mix of trading and straight out (mainly lays). I assure you and many others on here will attest to it ... I can blow these challenges apart with some heavy hitting ... usually when I am tired or simply trying to nick some easy money. Nowadays I have many other things going on in life so won't be around that much ... which probably going to be my saviour ....
Report undern February 22, 2015 10:47 AM GMT
Like now ... 3 big wins and then I get lazy trying to lay short odd winners for too much .... stupid.
Report undern February 22, 2015 5:47 PM GMT
Been out and about ... downloaded what I thought was betfair app but was only able to bet using sportsbook .... hopefully these show up in the p&l report I do. May not be able to update tonight but will do when I have the chance.
Report undern February 22, 2015 6:24 PM GMT
Mmm just tried to run p&l report through accounts section and it doesn't show Sportsbook bets ... anyone know which report I can run to include these ???
Report HonkyJoe February 22, 2015 8:46 PM GMT
Nice to see a new challenge from you Undern.  I stress though, I think your best approach would be to take a sum, like £1K, and then look to make treble the profits before starting again from £1K. I reckon you'd get to the £4K often enough to make it pay handsomely. But you'd still be able to bet the way you like to, and could afford a couple of blow-outs a time and still look to come out ahead after three or four 'goes'.

Then again, perhaps you won't blow it this time?   Good luck!
Report s.kenbo February 22, 2015 8:54 PM GMT
I think that's a bit too safe for Undern. Laugh

It would be wise though, no matter how well off you are losing several thousand pounds in a day wouldn't be nice.
Report undern February 22, 2015 9:52 PM GMT
Back in again. On the laptop with poor internet speed. Will update tomorrow night. Bank up to £5996 (including the sportsbook bets). Nice win on lay Southampton, win on South Sydney and Williams in the snooker .... started with a £500 loss this morning on a greyhound race so good to recover and move on .... busy during the weekdays so sadly I can't keep betting so frequently then again it might be a good thing. cheers.
Report HonkyJoe February 23, 2015 12:46 AM GMT
Perhaps Kenbo. He'd still get plenty of roller-coaster rides from it though, since he'd still be able to give full rein to his high-intensity  all-or-nothing betting style.

Mind you, he seems to be doing very well currently. So perhaps he's finally turned the corner....
Report BJT February 23, 2015 2:56 AM GMT
Well, it would seem a silly rule that he needs to keep the money in Betfair.  Just take some out and keep it under 5k.  Can still keep the profit/loss running to the 100k goal.
Report gawdalmighty February 23, 2015 9:47 AM GMT
Sounds boring Undern but....bank your original 1k and use the rest of the profit for your challenge. It a win-win situation then.

GL mate, dont get greedy and just like last year, STEER CLEAR OF THE GREYHOUNDS! Wink
Report undern February 23, 2015 5:09 PM GMT
Back in ... played a bit. Did well in my cricket bet overnight while just had a very juicy lay of Dream Child (very lucky to win that one) .... contacted BF to try and work out how to run a p&l to include the sportsbook bets that I did on my mobile yesterday.

All sensible suggestions ... my plan was to withdrawal equiv. of £100 per day (I have done this in some of my past challenges). Other option is to leave say £5K in the account and simply withdraw anything above that. Otherwise withdrawal to £1K and then start again. Either way I tend to get lazy in what I do .... for instance my lay on Dream Child was too bigger a bet. So easy to try and look for the big wins rather than do bit by bit.

I will defn update just waiting on BF to advise about Sportsbook issue.
Report undern February 23, 2015 11:20 PM GMT
A bit scrambled but finally worked out how to download into excel the sportsbook bets. Basically I made a profit of £770. I will do a quick update but simply wanted to post up these in order to show my full betting. Even includes the free bet BF gave me because a greyhound bet the night before was settled incorrectly.


Settled    Description    Odds    Stake (£)    Return (£)    Status
22/02/2015 18:10    Southampton vs Liverpool Liverpool - Match Result Betfair Bet ID O/0069636/0000012 | Placed: 22-Feb-15 16:07:37    2.9    500    1 450.00    Won
22/02/2015 18:21    Southampton vs Liverpool Draw - Match Result Betfair Bet ID O/0069636/0000011 | Placed: 22-Feb-15 16:07:37    3.25    500    0    Lost
22/02/2015 20:28    Ben Woollaston v John Higgins John Higgins - Match Result Betfair Bet ID O/0069636/0000010 | Placed: 22-Feb-15 14:52:59    1.2    1 100.00    1 320.00    Won
22/02/2015 15:21    Everton vs Leicester Over 0.5 Goals (+0.5) - Over/Under Total Goals 0.5 Betfair Bet ID O/0069636/0000009 | Placed: 22-Feb-15 14:45:10    1.22    900    1 100.00    Won
19/02/2015 15:11    Milos Raonic vs Simone Bolelli Milos Raonic - Match Odds Betfair Bet ID O/0069636/0000008 | Placed: 19-Feb-15 14:59:13 Price Rush    1.45    50.00 (Free)    0    Lost
Report undern February 23, 2015 11:53 PM GMT
Challenge Update:
Bit tired and need to get up early tomorrow so won't spend too long on the updates. As you can see very profitable day again. The figure includes the £770 profit made from the sportsbook market (see bets above).

Just for clarity: I think the 5884 figure is around £110 short from the actual bank is. Remember I simply run p&l report based on the last bet I did (to update a particular day) to the end of that day so can make a mistake with this.


Starting Bank:   £1000
20/02/2015       £1536
21/02/2015       £4003
22/02/2015       £5884


Aussie:  Cricket: £866.56 | Greyhound Racing: £422.89 | Horse Racing: -£780.03 Total P&L:  £509.42

UK: Greyhound Racing: -£475.03 | Horse Racing: -£168.00 | Rugby League: £414.59 | Soccer: £116.52 | Tennis: £713.16 Total P&L:  £601.24

Sportsbook:  £770 see above bets. Footy £650. Snooker: £120





Cricket    Showing 1 - 2 of 2 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Cricket / South Africa v India : Match Odds
22-Feb-15 03:30     22-Feb-15 10:52     349.56
Cricket / Sri Lanka v Afghanistan : Afghanistan Innings Runs
21-Feb-15 22:00     22-Feb-15 01:35     517.00

Greyhound Racing    Showing 1 - 3 of 3 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Greyhound Racing / Darw (AUS) 22nd Feb : R3 312m Gr5
22-Feb-15 10:48     22-Feb-15 10:50     417.33
Greyhound Racing / Wgul (AUS) 22nd Feb : R7 460m Mdn
22-Feb-15 08:57     22-Feb-15 08:59     240.57
Greyhound Racing / Sale (AUS) 22nd Feb : R6 440m Final
22-Feb-15 08:50     22-Feb-15 08:51     -235.01

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 2 of 2 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Ball (AUS) 22nd Feb : R8 2200m Pace M
22-Feb-15 10:42     22-Feb-15 10:46     -320.03
Horse Racing / Devn (AUS) 22nd Feb : R8 2297m Pace M
22-Feb-15 10:35     22-Feb-15 10:40     -460.00

Greyhound Racing    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Greyhound Racing / Hove 22nd Feb : D1 285m
22-Feb-15 11:11     22-Feb-15 11:29     -475.03

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Kranji (SIN) 22nd Feb : R10 1800m Grp1
22-Feb-15 10:20     22-Feb-15 10:44     -168.00

Rugby League    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Rugby League / St Helens v South Sydney : Match Odds
22-Feb-15 19:00     22-Feb-15 20:52     414.59

Soccer    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Soccer / Tottenham v West Ham : Over/Under 0.5 Goals
22-Feb-15 12:00     22-Feb-15 12:22     116.52

Tennis    Showing 1 - 2 of 2 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Tennis / Fognini v D Ferrer : Match Odds
22-Feb-15 20:58     22-Feb-15 22:36     19.42
Tennis / Nadal v Fognini : Match Odds
21-Feb-15 22:04     22-Feb-15 00:45     693.74
Report undern February 24, 2015 12:02 AM GMT
Challenge Update:
Another good day ... nice win in the England innings less than 325runs and some big up and down bets tonight. Tired and want to go to bed. Still think there is around £100 short with the updated figures to what is showing in the account but I won't worry about it now. Might do some betting tomorrow night.

Starting Bank:   £1000
20/02/2015       £1536
21/02/2015       £4003
22/02/2015       £5884
23/02/2015       £7550


Aussie: Cricket: £655.42 Total P&L:  £655.42

UK: Greyhound Racing: £97.10 | Horse Racing: £1,261.44 | Soccer: £101.25 | Tennis: -£448.78 Total P&L:  £1,011.01

Cricket    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Cricket / England v Scotland : England Innings Runs
22-Feb-15 22:00     23-Feb-15 01:45     655.42

Greyhound Racing    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Greyhound Racing / Romfd 23rd Feb : A7 400m
23-Feb-15 18:56     23-Feb-15 18:59     97.10

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 9 of 9 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / SunP (US) 23rd Feb : R6 6f Claim
23-Feb-15 22:03     23-Feb-15 22:33     491.53
Horse Racing / TPara (US) 23rd Feb : R5 7f Claim
23-Feb-15 21:55     23-Feb-15 22:03     81.56
Horse Racing / SunP (US) 23rd Feb : R5 6f Mdn Claim
23-Feb-15 21:37     23-Feb-15 22:01     9.41
Horse Racing / Wolv 23rd Feb : 1m Hcap
23-Feb-15 18:00     23-Feb-15 18:05     82.77
Horse Racing / Wolv 23rd Feb : 1m1f Mdn Stks
23-Feb-15 17:30     23-Feb-15 17:37     -240.00
Horse Racing / Plump 23rd Feb : 2m2f NHF
23-Feb-15 17:10     23-Feb-15 17:18     121.37
Horse Racing / Wolv 23rd Feb : 1m1f Hcap
23-Feb-15 17:00     23-Feb-15 17:05     728.25
Horse Racing / Ayr 23rd Feb : 2m4f Hcap Chs
23-Feb-15 16:50     23-Feb-15 16:57     72.82
Horse Racing / Plump 23rd Feb : 2m5f Hcap Hrd
23-Feb-15 16:40     23-Feb-15 16:48     -86.27

Soccer    Showing 1 - 3 of 3 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Soccer / Lanus v Belgrano : Over/Under 0.5 Goals
23-Feb-15 21:00     23-Feb-15 22:58     269.83
Soccer / Cagliari v Inter : Over/Under 3.5 Goals
23-Feb-15 20:00     23-Feb-15 21:53     -406.86
Soccer / Cagliari v Inter : Over/Under 0.5 Goals
23-Feb-15 20:00     23-Feb-15 21:06     238.28

Tennis    Showing 1 - 3 of 3 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Tennis / L Safarova v Stosur : Match Odds
23-Feb-15 18:24     23-Feb-15 20:06     280.05
Tennis / Seppi v Gasquet : Match Odds
23-Feb-15 16:24     23-Feb-15 18:59     131.08
Tennis / V Williams v Dellacqua : Match Odds
23-Feb-15 16:24     23-Feb-15 18:04     -859.91
Report undern February 24, 2015 4:52 PM GMT
Back in going to lay Bearly Legal in the delayed 16:50pm horse race
Report undern February 24, 2015 4:59 PM GMT
Mmmm should have stayed out ... Cry
Report undern February 24, 2015 5:53 PM GMT
Nothing like blindly following someones elses suggestion ... and in the 90+ mins it comes in ... then again that is always balanced by the lumping on someones else recommendation only to go down the plug-hole ....
Report undern February 24, 2015 11:53 PM GMT
Challenge Update:
Right from the start of betting this afternoon I knew it wasn't "feeling" right. Then  stupidity took over before finally relying on Cardiff to let go of a winning position ... went the wrong. What they actually won a match Shocked ... it's happened before just got to step back and not go gung-ho so much. Yes I have banked most of it as this is the sensible thing to do ...

Starting Bank:   £1000
20/02/2015       £1536
21/02/2015       £4003
22/02/2015       £5884
23/02/2015       £7550
24/02/2015       £5137


Aussie: Cricket: £256.53 Total P&L:  £256.53

UK: Greyhound Racing: -£495.63 | Horse Racing: -£587.51 | Soccer: -£2,001.17 | Tennis: £414.70 Total P&L:  -£2,669.61

Cricket    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Cricket / West Indies v Zimbabwe : Match Odds
24-Feb-15 03:30     24-Feb-15 11:30     256.53

Greyhound Racing    Showing 1 - 5 of 5 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Greyhound Racing / Sheff 24th Feb : OR 660m
24-Feb-15 20:04     24-Feb-15 20:08     -809.36
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 24th Feb : OR 540m
24-Feb-15 19:43     24-Feb-15 19:50     36.00
Greyhound Racing / Newc 24th Feb : HC 480m
24-Feb-15 19:36     24-Feb-15 19:39     97.10
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 24th Feb : OR 714m
24-Feb-15 19:26     24-Feb-15 19:33     97.10
Greyhound Racing / Sund 24th Feb : HC 640m
24-Feb-15 17:17     24-Feb-15 17:20     83.53

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 3 of 3 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Parx (US) 24th Feb : R2 1m Claim
24-Feb-15 17:52     24-Feb-15 18:04     282.49
Horse Racing / Catt 24th Feb : 3m1f Hcap Hrd
24-Feb-15 17:00     24-Feb-15 17:22     0.00
Horse Racing / Leic 24th Feb : 2m4f Hcap Chs
24-Feb-15 16:50     24-Feb-15 16:59     -870.00

Soccer    Showing 1 - 5 of 5 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Soccer / Huracan v Mineros Guayana : Over/Under 2.5 Goals
24-Feb-15 22:00     24-Feb-15 23:42     234.01
Soccer / Wigan v Cardiff : Over/Under 1.5 Goals
24-Feb-15 19:45     24-Feb-15 21:39     -1,339.92
Soccer / Man City v Barcelona : Match Odds
24-Feb-15 19:45     24-Feb-15 21:38     -617.50
Soccer / Man City v Barcelona : Half Time
24-Feb-15 19:45     24-Feb-15 20:33     -1,093.39
Soccer / Man City U19 v Schalke U19 : Over/Under 1.5 Goals
24-Feb-15 16:00     24-Feb-15 17:50     815.63

Tennis    Showing 1 - 2 of 2 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Tennis / V Williams v Zahlavova Strycova : Match Odds
24-Feb-15 19:44     24-Feb-15 22:29     205.22
Tennis / Verdasco v Garcia-Lopez : Match Odds
24-Feb-15 16:54     24-Feb-15 18:23     209.48
Report undern February 24, 2015 11:55 PM GMT
It is funny how my main "aim" is to make around £100 yet when I get a bit of a run in these challenges I simply bet more and more and bigger and bigger .... oh well off to bed me thinks.
Report BJT February 25, 2015 3:06 AM GMT
It is ok to bet bigger as you go along, but the trick is to lessen risk as you go.

So whatever % you are risking when you start, when your bank doubles, decrease that percentage by 25%.  Say 10% at 1000, would be 7.5% at 2000, 5.6% at 4000, etc etc etc.  Stakes are still increasing allowing for more profit, but also less risk of your bankroll going bust the more you go forward.

GL
Report undern February 25, 2015 10:39 PM GMT
Challenge Update:
Up and down big on occasions .... but ultimately up. Off to bed.

Starting Bank:   £1000
20/02/2015       £1536
21/02/2015       £4003
22/02/2015       £5884
23/02/2015       £7550
24/02/2015       £5137
25/02/2015       £6282


Aussie: Cricket: £351.68 Total P&L:  £351.68

UK:  Greyhound Racing: £157.74 | Horse Racing: -£1,311.23 | Soccer: £1,736.76 | Tennis: £209.93 Total P&L:  £793.20

Cricket    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Cricket / Ireland v United Arab Emirates : Match Odds
25-Feb-15 03:30     25-Feb-15 11:34     351.68

Greyhound Racing    Showing 1 - 10 of 10 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Greyhound Racing / Pboro 25th Feb : B3 435m
25-Feb-15 22:18     25-Feb-15 22:23     83.74
Greyhound Racing / Pboro 25th Feb : B5 435m
25-Feb-15 22:03     25-Feb-15 22:07     -476.00
Greyhound Racing / Romfd 25th Feb : A1 400m
25-Feb-15 21:56     25-Feb-15 21:59     121.37
Greyhound Racing / Pboro 25th Feb : B9 435m
25-Feb-15 21:32     25-Feb-15 21:36     145.65
Greyhound Racing / Pboro 25th Feb : B6 435m
25-Feb-15 20:42     25-Feb-15 20:46     66.88
Greyhound Racing / Romfd 25th Feb : A5 400m
25-Feb-15 20:34     25-Feb-15 20:38     4.70
Greyhound Racing / Pboro 25th Feb : B8 435m
25-Feb-15 20:26     25-Feb-15 20:30     72.82
Greyhound Racing / Pboro 25th Feb : B4 435m
25-Feb-15 20:10     25-Feb-15 20:14     48.59
Greyhound Racing / Pboro 25th Feb : B5 435m
25-Feb-15 19:54     25-Feb-15 19:59     38.84
Greyhound Racing / Hove 25th Feb : A6 515m
25-Feb-15 18:11     25-Feb-15 18:14     51.15

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 4 of 4 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Kemp 25th Feb : 6f Hcap
25-Feb-15 20:15     25-Feb-15 20:25     485.50
Horse Racing / Kemp 25th Feb : 1m4f Hcap
25-Feb-15 19:45     25-Feb-15 19:54     82.53
Horse Racing / Kemp 25th Feb : 1m3f Hcap
25-Feb-15 19:15     25-Feb-15 19:20     -929.26
Horse Racing / Kemp 25th Feb : 1m Cond Stks
25-Feb-15 18:45     25-Feb-15 18:49     -950.00

Soccer    Showing 1 - 2 of 2 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Soccer / Arsenal v Monaco : Over/Under 2.5 Goals
25-Feb-15 19:45     25-Feb-15 21:33     664.47
Soccer / Leverkusen v Atl Madrid : Over/Under 0.5 Goals
25-Feb-15 19:45     25-Feb-15 21:01     1,072.29

Tennis    Showing 1 - 2 of 2 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Tennis / Azarenka v Svitolina : Match Odds
25-Feb-15 17:01     25-Feb-15 19:36     140.07
Tennis / Krajinovic v G Dimitrov : Match Odds
24-Feb-15 22:10     25-Feb-15 00:09     69.86
Report freddiewilliams February 26, 2015 8:18 PM GMT
im so excited.......undern is back
Report undern February 26, 2015 10:23 PM GMT
Challenge Update:
Nice win in the darts just then to cap off an interesting day .... had a bet on the cricket overnight and with a bad cold woke up v.early ... watched the cricket but also stupidly played on the Aussie markets where I lost a lot. Out all day ... but been playing tonight with some wild fluctuations and some bets simply too big... least I am heading in the right direction. Got a stinking headache ... will try not to give it all back.

Starting Bank:   £1000
20/02/2015       £1536
21/02/2015       £4003
22/02/2015       £5884
23/02/2015       £7550
24/02/2015       £5137
25/02/2015       £6282
26/02/2015       £8690


Aussie: Cricket: £548.10 | Greyhound Racing: £151.33 | Horse Racing: -£1,283.57 Total P&L:  -£584.14

UK: Darts: £548.12 | Greyhound Racing: -£139.16 | Horse Racing: £1,270.54 | Soccer: £1,312.90 Total P&L:  £2,992.40

Cricket    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Cricket / Afghanistan v Scotland : Match Odds
25-Feb-15 22:00     26-Feb-15 06:05     548.10

Greyhound Racing    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Greyhound Racing / Mait (AUS) 26th Feb : R7 450m Gr5
26-Feb-15 06:58     26-Feb-15 06:59     151.33

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 7 of 7 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Redc (AUS) 26th Feb : R6 1780m Pace M
26-Feb-15 07:02     26-Feb-15 07:05     -534.95
Horse Racing / Kilc (AUS) 26th Feb : R7 1500m Hcap
26-Feb-15 06:50     26-Feb-15 06:52     192.46
Horse Racing / Ball (AUS) 26th Feb : R8 2000m Hcap
26-Feb-15 06:40     26-Feb-15 06:43     232.46
Horse Racing / Redc (AUS) 26th Feb : R5 1780m Pace M
26-Feb-15 06:33     26-Feb-15 06:36     -70.00
Horse Racing / Kilm (AUS) 26th Feb : R6 2180m Pace M
26-Feb-15 06:23     26-Feb-15 06:29     -677.35
Horse Racing / Hawk (AUS) 26th Feb : R8 2000m Hcap
26-Feb-15 06:20     26-Feb-15 06:23     -498.36
Horse Racing / Kilc (AUS) 26th Feb : R6 1900m Hcap
26-Feb-15 06:10     26-Feb-15 06:12     72.17

Darts    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Darts / Taylor v Wright : Match Odds
26-Feb-15 21:50     26-Feb-15 22:15     548.12

Greyhound Racing    Showing 1 - 10 of 10 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Greyhound Racing / Hove 26th Feb : D2 285m
26-Feb-15 21:56     26-Feb-15 21:59     465.11
Greyhound Racing / Henl 26th Feb : A5 460m
26-Feb-15 21:48     26-Feb-15 21:51     388.40
Greyhound Racing / Hove 26th Feb : OR 695m
26-Feb-15 21:24     26-Feb-15 21:28     -219.03
Greyhound Racing / Henl 26th Feb : A7 460m
26-Feb-15 21:15     26-Feb-15 21:18     38.86
Greyhound Racing / Hove 26th Feb : OR 515m
26-Feb-15 21:06     26-Feb-15 21:10     753.70
Greyhound Racing / Hove 26th Feb : OR 515m
26-Feb-15 20:50     26-Feb-15 20:54     -742.08
Greyhound Racing / Hove 26th Feb : A2 515m
26-Feb-15 20:18     26-Feb-15 20:27     121.37
Greyhound Racing / Hove 26th Feb : OR 475m
26-Feb-15 20:02     26-Feb-15 20:11     97.10
Greyhound Racing / Henl 26th Feb : A10 460m
26-Feb-15 19:54     26-Feb-15 20:06     -282.02
Greyhound Racing / Hove 26th Feb : A4 515m
26-Feb-15 19:31     26-Feb-15 19:36     -760.57

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 4 of 4 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / ChelmC 26th Feb : 6f Hcap
26-Feb-15 20:40     26-Feb-15 20:46     640.78
Horse Racing / ChelmC 26th Feb : 6f Hcap
26-Feb-15 20:10     26-Feb-15 20:15     -69.36
Horse Racing / ChelmC 26th Feb : 2m Hcap
26-Feb-15 19:40     26-Feb-15 19:47     485.50
Horse Racing / ChelmC 26th Feb : 1m Hcap
26-Feb-15 19:10     26-Feb-15 19:18     213.62

Soccer    Showing 1 - 2 of 2 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Soccer / Inter v Celtic : Over/Under 0.5 Goals
26-Feb-15 18:00     26-Feb-15 19:47     1,312.90
Soccer / Man City U19 v Schalke U19 : Over/Under 1.5 Goals
24-Feb-15 16:00     26-Feb-15 14:09     815.63
Report HonkyJoe February 27, 2015 10:36 AM GMT
im so excited.......undern is back


Mmmmm Freddie.   But for how long....

Undern, what happened to withdrawing any money above £5K?
Report undern February 28, 2015 9:11 AM GMT
Challenge Update:
Been quite poorly so couldn;t be bothered updating last night. Still going okay but I am fully aware I could crash and burn with some of the bets that I place .... at least bets are sensible. One thing though I had a big bet on Bayern Munich match on under 2.5 goals just after they went 2-0 up very quickly. Almost greened up to next a very nice green (would have been around £2500) but sadly and unbelievably the other team scored so busted the bet ...

Starting Bank:   £1000
20/02/2015       £1536
21/02/2015       £4003
22/02/2015       £5884
23/02/2015       £7550
24/02/2015       £5137
25/02/2015       £6282
26/02/2015       £8690
27/02/2015       £9336


Aussie: Cricket: £261.47 | Horse Racing: £48.11 Total P&L:  £309.58

UK: Greyhound Racing: £907.97 | Horse Racing: -£110.21 | Soccer: -£500.00 | Tennis: £38.84 Total P&L:  £336.60

Cricket    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Cricket / South Africa v West Indies : Match Odds
27-Feb-15 03:30     27-Feb-15 10:15     261.47

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Graf (AUS) 27th Feb : R7 1420m CL2
27-Feb-15 07:10     27-Feb-15 07:12     48.11

Greyhound Racing    Showing 1 - 5 of 5 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Greyhound Racing / Sund 27th Feb : A4 450m
27-Feb-15 20:58     27-Feb-15 21:13     33.84
Greyhound Racing / Romfd 27th Feb : OR 750m
27-Feb-15 20:50     27-Feb-15 20:54     145.89
Greyhound Racing / Sund 27th Feb : A6 450m
27-Feb-15 19:54     27-Feb-15 20:07     121.37
Greyhound Racing / Sund 27th Feb : A3 450m
27-Feb-15 19:39     27-Feb-15 19:48     121.37
Greyhound Racing / Romfd 27th Feb : OR 400M
27-Feb-15 19:31     27-Feb-15 19:35     485.50

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 4 of 4 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Dund 27th Feb : 1m4f Hcap
27-Feb-15 21:05     27-Feb-15 21:11     242.75
Horse Racing / Dund 27th Feb : 1m2f Mdn
27-Feb-15 20:35     27-Feb-15 20:40     372.85
Horse Racing / Dund 27th Feb : 1m2f Hcap
27-Feb-15 20:05     27-Feb-15 20:11     194.20
Horse Racing / Dund 27th Feb : 1m2f Hcap
27-Feb-15 19:35     27-Feb-15 19:40     -920.01

Soccer    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Soccer / B Munich v FC Koln : Over/Under 2.5 Goals
27-Feb-15 19:30     27-Feb-15 20:17     -500.00

Tennis    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Tennis / B Tomic v D Ferrer : Match Odds
27-Feb-15 06:32     27-Feb-15 08:15     38.84
Report undern February 28, 2015 9:13 AM GMT
I meant to say "at least SOME bets are sensible" Crazy
Report undern February 28, 2015 9:52 AM GMT
Mmm ... this morning hasn't been very good at all .... lost a lot Cry
Report s.kenbo February 28, 2015 11:50 AM GMT
CryCry

You're far too reckless Undern, I fear it'll all be gone today. I hope not. Good luck. Cool
Report Darlo Bantam February 28, 2015 11:52 AM GMT

Feb 28, 2015 -- 9:52AM, undern wrote:


Mmm ... this morning hasn't been very good at all .... lost a lot


Oz - NZ cricket?

Report Darlo Bantam February 28, 2015 11:54 AM GMT

Feb 28, 2015 -- 11:50AM, s.kenbo wrote:


You're far too reckless Undern, I fear it'll all be gone today. I hope not. Good luck.


To be fair, anyone who can octuple their money in just a week has to be reckless. It looks hugely impressive, but these challenges have always done so bu then have always come down like a pack of cards.

Report s.kenbo February 28, 2015 12:04 PM GMT
Agreed DB, when you're winning like Udern was then you're a genius, when it all falls to pieces you're a mug.

He reminds me of a poker player who plays a short stack better than he does a large stack. Which is why he needs to bank some money when he gets to a certain amount and start again imo.

He's a likeable and honest bloke and I do wish him the best of luck.
Report undern February 28, 2015 2:51 PM GMT
Yep us Aussies are a likeable lot Laugh ...

Yep I did lose a lot on the cricket ... (if I was watching I would have traded towards the end) .... lost a lot on one of the Aussie football matches trying to get a big win on under goals markets .... yet they kept scoring Cry .... then lost some more on the West Ham game .... trying not to lose too much this afternoon in the rugby.
Report siwaadupa February 28, 2015 3:00 PM GMT
Give an update :) - Im following this.
Report Darlo Bantam February 28, 2015 3:45 PM GMT
Yep I did lose a lot on the cricket ...

I just knew. I was listening to it this morning, and my first thought was that this could be the end of this challenge.
Report undern February 28, 2015 4:19 PM GMT
Not the end of the challeneg Darlo ... lost £1400 in the cricket and a lot more in the Aussie footy. Was down to around the £5K mark.

Lets just say my lay of Scotland has helped me get back into this challenge Laugh ...
Report undern February 28, 2015 4:37 PM GMT
... and despite doing some greening up in the Fed tennis match ... touch wood .... Fed will get me ahead ...
Report undern February 28, 2015 4:58 PM GMT
I will update fully later ... this is today's current p&l.

Aussie: Cricket: -£1,438.00 | Greyhound Racing: -£273.99 | Horse Racing: £1,188.77 | Soccer: -£2,104.97 Total P&L:  -£2,628.19

UK: Greyhound Racing: £50.34 | Horse Racing: £970.40 | Rugby Union: £1,937.20 | Soccer: -£1,103.52 | Tennis: £1,215.00 Total P&L:  £3,069.42

Nice lay of Scotland in the rugby .... greened up a bit and bet on tennis when Fed was around 3.4 ish at beginning of the match ... greened some of that as well.

Not sure about betting on the Welsh match .... the sensible part says no while the other part of me .... says why not.
Report undern March 1, 2015 4:25 PM GMT
Why the **** I bet when I have stayed up all night and extreSadmely tired ...
Report undern March 1, 2015 8:26 PM GMT
Mmmm .... now I am a fairly intelligent guy and even I think (like in past attempts) been utterly stupid in some of my betting.

It has all come crashing down .... bank now down to £750 from a high of around £10.5K from memory ....  I blame the change in BF system for withdrawals as three times I withdrew £5K only to turn around and cancel the withdrawal. Oh I also blame the English who play **** at every sport going, not to mention Tottenham and a few other wasted bets I did during a day/night of betting madness.

So I am going to finish this challenge with a loss of £250 .... oh what could have been .... least it was a memorable one though for once I wish I start one of these and actually do it sensibly.
Report HonkyJoe March 1, 2015 9:35 PM GMT
You're blaming BF because you didn't have the discipline to let a £5K deposit go through???
Report SHAPESHIFTER March 1, 2015 10:28 PM GMT
I blame the change in BF system for withdrawals as three times I withdrew £5K only to turn around and cancel the withdrawal

I hadn't noticed the thread but, bloody Undern, that is, again, another time you need to read your own posts and put it with other quotes on a plackard above your computer and read it every thirty minutes.

It still blows my mind when I see people burn two years of groceries in a day. 

Your ability to win is not the question mark (though, again, there are dogs negative).  The question marks are around your ability to avoid loss.
Report McNulty (2) March 2, 2015 12:41 AM GMT
There's nothing noble in kicking a man when he's down, and it's pretty much certain that undern will be his own harshest critic at the moment, but I think there is something interesting that can be drawn from this episode.

You can't learn discipline - it's either something you've got or something you've not. For all that someone might look like they're efficiently trading the markets and making impressive (seriously impressive in undern's case) levels of profit, if they're still a gambler at heart it will all ultimately end up going wrong.

If you're going to make this game pay you must have discipline - it's the boring backbone to any successful strategy. Turning 1k into 10k in about a week is no mean feat: draw down, start again, repeat ten more times and there's your 100k in less than three months. Sounds easy, but I wonder if being disciplined precludes such rapid bank growth, i.e. does discipline inherently lead to a more conservative approach?
Report Darlo Bantam March 2, 2015 12:46 AM GMT
@McNulty: I think having true discipline in the first place would seriously restrict those winnings in the first place. It's alright saying if I'd had discipline I wouldn't have lost £2k (enter your own amount in here) on that bet, when in reality, you wouldn't have won £500, £500, £500, £500 beforehand perhaps because discipline may have made you red out on one of those wins in the first place.
Report HonkyJoe March 2, 2015 1:18 AM GMT
Undern couldn't bet the way he does if he had discipline. He raises his bets when he loses. Sometimes he gets mostly wins and so doesn't need to bet big at any stage. Those days, he compliments himself on his sensible betting. But when he starts losing (and he always has lots of reasons for why he bet 'badly' - he was tired, somebody upset him, friends came round for dinner etc.), he just puts down bigger bets. He usually gets away with this several times. And then it goes wrong. Very wrong.

He isn't just a simple gambler though. I've seen Undern do numerous challenges like this, and he clearly has some skill in there. As I've said here and on a couple of his other threads, if he looked to treble a £1K pot before taking out the money and starting again, he'd (theoretically) do well overall.  However, I think he has a huge huge problem with money control. Three times he tried to withdraw £5K, and each time he couldn't stop himself from halting the withdrawal.

He's got to learn to control that. Deep down, though, I think there's very little chance he can do that.
Report HonkyJoe March 2, 2015 1:20 AM GMT
And yes, Darlo's right. Telling Undern to find true discipline would be like coaching Diego Costa or Roy Keane to play without aggression. You won't change them. And if you do, you'll obliterate what's there.
Report SHAPESHIFTER March 2, 2015 11:52 AM GMT
One of the first lesson's I learnt with Betfair and discipline was when my son got to the age of 2 or so and had a minder X amount of days per week. 

I quickly learnt that the minute I stood up and went to pick him up in the afternoon, the day was done.  Any time I came home with him and even if he was off happy playinl, I didn't go on.

Why? He would come down the hall or call me or simply want to hang with his dad.

There is always another horse race and football match. 

And if mine came across as kicking a man when he is down, not my intention.  Simply as I have said before; undern, I wish you would read your own posts or atleast withdraw some of the money and "enjoy it" to remind yourself (something we are all guilty of on some level or the other at one time) that those figures on the screen are actually real money and not just figures on a ledger.
Report s.kenbo March 2, 2015 8:01 PM GMT
The "cancel Withdrawal" that most/all of the bookies use nowadays is pretty shameful imo.

I'm sorry the challenge failed for you Undern, yet again there was big highs and lows. Good luck to you.

Some very wise words posted above too.
Report SHAPESHIFTER March 2, 2015 9:00 PM GMT
The "cancel Withdrawal" that most/all of the bookies use nowadays is pretty shameful imo.

Agree.  Bookmakers must hire psychologists to come up with these ideas.
Report HonkyJoe March 2, 2015 9:56 PM GMT
Shameful yes.  But if you can't even exercise enough self-control to stop yourself from using the cancel withdrawal option, you probably shouldn't even be loose on the markets!    Just hit the withdrawal command, and go and turn off the computer for a bit!
Report undern March 2, 2015 11:45 PM GMT
Challenge Update:
I must admit I do like to do these challenges in my own way .... with varying amounts of stupidity thrown in. However I assure you I do take some of the betting very seriously and I do have a number of strategies/signals I am looking for however as you have all alluded to I do let myself down.

Like Shapeshifter mentions I do need to remind myself it is real money I am winning and losing ... trust me it is real money Laugh .... I'm afraid the temptation to simply cancel the withdrawal is too tempting during my up and down times.

Betting is a mind-game and it is terribly hard to continue with a challenge when you know you have just made then lost a nice bit of cash .... only to go back to square. However to keep some interest in my life outside of work I will continue the challenge. I had a reasonable last day of betting so will keep it going and see where the chips land. I will do the profit reports for the last couple of days based on a close/open at midnight.

I will try and play sensibly but I won't guarantee it. Even today I did a couple of hit and hope bets ... then again this latest big up and down might have altered some brain cells in me.

Starting Bank:   £1000
20/02/2015       £1536
21/02/2015       £4003
22/02/2015       £5884
23/02/2015       £7550
24/02/2015       £5137
25/02/2015       £6282
26/02/2015       £8690
27/02/2015       £9336
28/02/2015       £8405
01/03/2015       £ 699
02/03/2015       £1614


28/2/2015:
Aussie: Cricket: -£1,438.00 | Greyhound Racing: -£273.99 | Horse Racing: £1,188.77 | Soccer: -£2,104.97 Total P&L:  -£2,628.19

UK: Greyhound Racing: -£3,444.41 | Horse Racing: £849.36 | Rugby Union: £3,885.48 | Soccer: -£1,103.52 | Tennis: £1,510.25 Total P&L:  £1,697.16

01/3/2015:
Aussie: Cricket: -£1,748.40 | Horse Racing: -£753.89 Total P&L:  -£2,502.29

UK: Horse Racing: £37.73 | Rugby Union: -£1,000.90 | Soccer: -£4,455.60 | Tennis: £214.70 Total P&L:  -£5,204.07

02/03/2015:
UK: Greyhound Racing: £141.44 | Horse Racing: £662.50 | Snooker: £177.68 | Soccer: -£66.20 Total P&L:  £915.42

Cricket    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Cricket / Australia v New Zealand : Match Odds
28-Feb-15 01:00     28-Feb-15 06:31     -1,438.00

Greyhound Racing    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Greyhound Racing / Rich (AUS) 28th Feb : R4 535m Mdn
28-Feb-15 09:18     28-Feb-15 09:19     -273.99

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 5 of 5 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Geel (AUS) 28th Feb : R5 2570m Trot S
28-Feb-15 09:30     28-Feb-15 09:44     24.38
Horse Racing / Asct (AUS) 28th Feb : R8 1400m Hcap
28-Feb-15 09:25     28-Feb-15 09:27     50.27
Horse Racing / ASpr (AUS) 28th Feb : R5 1400m Hcap
28-Feb-15 08:42     28-Feb-15 08:46     -88.80
Horse Racing / Asct (AUS) 28th Feb : R6 1200m Hcap
28-Feb-15 08:12     28-Feb-15 08:18     962.30
Horse Racing / Geel (AUS) 28th Feb : R2 2570m Trot S
28-Feb-15 07:58     28-Feb-15 08:06     240.62

Soccer    Showing 1 - 7 of 7 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Soccer / Perth v Brisbane : Over/Under 4.5 Goals
28-Feb-15 10:30     28-Feb-15 12:36     332.38
Soccer / Perth v Brisbane : Over/Under 1.5 Goals
28-Feb-15 10:30     28-Feb-15 12:02     477.73
Soccer / Western Sydney v Sydney : Over/Under 7.5 Goals
28-Feb-15 08:30     28-Feb-15 10:33     -1,487.00
Soccer / Western Sydney v Sydney : Over/Under 6.5 Goals
28-Feb-15 08:30     28-Feb-15 10:14     745.22
Soccer / Western Sydney v Sydney : Over/Under 5.5 Goals
28-Feb-15 08:30     28-Feb-15 09:52     -1,324.25
Soccer / Western Sydney v Sydney : Over/Under 4.5 Goals
28-Feb-15 08:30     28-Feb-15 09:23     -200.09
Soccer / Western Sydney v Sydney : Over/Under 3.5 Goals
28-Feb-15 08:30     28-Feb-15 09:14     -648.96

Greyhound Racing    Showing 1 - 11 of 11 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Greyhound Racing / Newc 28th Feb : A3 480m
28-Feb-15 21:48     28-Feb-15 21:51     -1,016.55
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 28th Feb : To Be Placed
28-Feb-15 21:40     28-Feb-15 21:45     570.09
Greyhound Racing / Newc 28th Feb : HC 640m
28-Feb-15 21:32     28-Feb-15 21:39     -986.00
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 28th Feb : H2 380m
28-Feb-15 21:24     28-Feb-15 21:30     -1,035.66
Greyhound Racing / Newc 28th Feb : A2 480m
28-Feb-15 21:15     28-Feb-15 21:19     486.00
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 28th Feb : A5 380m
28-Feb-15 20:50     28-Feb-15 20:57     97.20
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 28th Feb : A6 380m
28-Feb-15 20:34     28-Feb-15 20:42     -1,050.02
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 28th Feb : S7 540m
28-Feb-15 20:18     28-Feb-15 20:24     243.00
Greyhound Racing / Newc 28th Feb : HC 480m
28-Feb-15 19:54     28-Feb-15 19:59     -900.01
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 28th Feb : A4 380m
28-Feb-15 19:46     28-Feb-15 19:53     97.20
Greyhound Racing / Crayfd 28th Feb : A7 380m
28-Feb-15 10:38     28-Feb-15 10:41     50.34

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 17 of 17 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Meydan (UAE) 28th Feb : 1m6f Grp3
28-Feb-15 17:40     28-Feb-15 17:47     72.90
Horse Racing / Kelso 28th Feb : 3m2f Hunt Chs
28-Feb-15 17:20     28-Feb-15 17:29     -112.00
Horse Racing / Donc 28th Feb : 2m NHF
28-Feb-15 16:50     28-Feb-15 17:09     -310.35
Horse Racing / Meydan (UAE) 28th Feb : 1m2f Hcap
28-Feb-15 17:05     28-Feb-15 17:09     121.50
Horse Racing / Kelso 28th Feb : 2m6f Hcap Hrd
28-Feb-15 16:45     28-Feb-15 16:56     106.91
Horse Racing / Newb 28th Feb : 2m Nov Hcap Hrd
28-Feb-15 16:00     28-Feb-15 16:07     48.60
Horse Racing / Ling 28th Feb : 2m Cond Stks
28-Feb-15 15:30     28-Feb-15 15:36     680.40
Horse Racing / Newb 28th Feb : 2m4f Grd3 Hcap Chs
28-Feb-15 15:25     28-Feb-15 15:32     -319.00
Horse Racing / Donc 28th Feb : 3m Hcap Hrd
28-Feb-15 15:10     28-Feb-15 15:19     72.90
Horse Racing / Kelso 28th Feb : 2m2f Grd2 Nov Hrd
28-Feb-15 15:00     28-Feb-15 15:06     243.00
Horse Racing / Ling 28th Feb : 1m Hcap
28-Feb-15 14:55     28-Feb-15 15:00     72.90
Horse Racing / Newb 28th Feb : 2m Hcap Hrd
28-Feb-15 14:50     28-Feb-15 14:57     -165.00
Horse Racing / Meydan (UAE) 28th Feb : 1m Hcap
28-Feb-15 14:45     28-Feb-15 14:47     33.05
Horse Racing / Donc 28th Feb : 3m Listed Nov Hrd
28-Feb-15 14:35     28-Feb-15 14:43     48.60
Horse Racing / Newb 28th Feb : 3m2f Hcap Chs
28-Feb-15 14:15     28-Feb-15 14:24     12.15
Horse Racing / Leop 28th Feb : 2m2f Hrd
28-Feb-15 14:05     28-Feb-15 14:12     48.60
Horse Racing / Ling 28th Feb : 1m Mdn Stks
28-Feb-15 13:50     28-Feb-15 13:55     194.20

Rugby Union    Showing 1 - 2 of 2 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Rugby Union / France v Wales : Match Odds
28-Feb-15 17:00     28-Feb-15 18:45     1,948.28
Rugby Union / Scotland v Italy : Match Odds
28-Feb-15 14:30     28-Feb-15 16:16     1,937.20

Soccer    Showing 1 - 4 of 4 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Soccer / West Ham v C Palace : Match Odds
28-Feb-15 12:45     28-Feb-15 14:38     -2,723.26
Soccer / West Ham v C Palace : Over/Under 4.5 Goals
28-Feb-15 12:45     28-Feb-15 14:38     -470.53
Soccer / West Ham v C Palace : Over/Under 3.5 Goals
28-Feb-15 12:45     28-Feb-15 14:18     1,088.08
Soccer / West Ham v C Palace : Over/Under 2.5 Goals
28-Feb-15 12:45     28-Feb-15 14:05     1,002.19

Tennis    Showing 1 - 2 of 2 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Tennis / Nadal v Berlocq : Set 01 Winner
28-Feb-15 19:58     28-Feb-15 21:17     295.25
Tennis / N Djokovic v Federer : Match Odds
28-Feb-15 15:01     28-Feb-15 16:38     1,215.00

Cricket    Showing 1 - 2 of 2 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Cricket / Pakistan v Zimbabwe : Match Odds
01-Mar-15 03:30     01-Mar-15 11:36     648.32
Cricket / England v Sri Lanka : Match Odds
28-Feb-15 22:00     01-Mar-15 05:34     -2,396.72

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 3 of 3 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Armi (AUS) 1st Mar : R6 1900m Hcap
01-Mar-15 05:03     01-Mar-15 05:06     120.45
Horse Racing / SCst (AUS) 1st Mar : R5 1000m CL1
01-Mar-15 04:54     01-Mar-15 04:57     74.36
Horse Racing / Mngl (AUS) 1st Mar : R7 3009m Pace M
01-Mar-15 04:42     01-Mar-15 04:50     -948.70

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 7 of 7 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Sedge 1st Mar : 2m1f NHF
01-Mar-15 17:10     01-Mar-15 17:18     -384.64
Horse Racing / Hunt 1st Mar : 2m NHF
01-Mar-15 17:00     01-Mar-15 17:04     -240.00
Horse Racing / Navan 1st Mar : 2m1f Hcap Chs
01-Mar-15 16:50     01-Mar-15 16:56     97.30
Horse Racing / Sedge 1st Mar : 2m1f Hcap Hrd
01-Mar-15 16:40     01-Mar-15 16:46     243.25
Horse Racing / Navan 1st Mar : 3m Hcap Chs
01-Mar-15 16:20     01-Mar-15 16:33     41.59
Horse Racing / Sedge 1st Mar : 2m6f Hcap Chs
01-Mar-15 16:10     01-Mar-15 16:17     97.30
Horse Racing / Sedge 1st Mar : 2m4f Nov Hrd
01-Mar-15 14:10     01-Mar-15 14:16     182.93

Rugby Union    Showing 1 - 1 of 1 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Rugby Union / Ireland v England : Match Odds
01-Mar-15 15:00     01-Mar-15 16:41     -1,000.90

Soccer    Showing 1 - 8 of 8 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Soccer / Boca Juniors v Atletico Rafaela : Match Odds
01-Mar-15 21:15     01-Mar-15 23:10     3.99
Soccer / Monaco v Paris St-G : Match Odds
01-Mar-15 20:00     01-Mar-15 21:54     47.19
Soccer / Inter v Fiorentina : Over/Under 1.5 Goals
01-Mar-15 17:15     01-Mar-15 19:11     -250.00
Soccer / W Bremen v Wolfsburg : Over/Under 8.5 Goals
01-Mar-15 16:30     01-Mar-15 18:22     -384.35
Soccer / Chelsea v Tottenham : Over/Under 2.5 Goals
01-Mar-15 16:00     01-Mar-15 17:53     -2,381.83
Soccer / Chelsea v Tottenham : Match Odds
01-Mar-15 16:00     01-Mar-15 17:53     -2,050.60
Soccer / Arsenal v Everton : Match Odds
01-Mar-15 14:05     01-Mar-15 16:00     -1,296.00
Soccer / Liverpool v Man City : Match Odds
01-Mar-15 12:00     01-Mar-15 13:52     1,856.00

Tennis    Showing 1 - 2 of 2 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Tennis / Nadal v J Monaco : Match Odds
01-Mar-15 20:07     01-Mar-15 21:14     -38.02
Tennis / Nishikori v D Ferrer : Match Odds
01-Mar-15 03:06     01-Mar-15 04:59     252.72

Greyhound Racing    Showing 1 - 8 of 8 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Greyhound Racing / Romfd 2nd Mar : A2 400m
02-Mar-15 21:02     02-Mar-15 21:05     12.12
Greyhound Racing / Nott 2nd Mar : A1 500m
02-Mar-15 19:48     02-Mar-15 19:51     55.15
Greyhound Racing / Romfd 2nd Mar : A6 400m
02-Mar-15 19:43     02-Mar-15 19:45     194.60
Greyhound Racing / Yarm 2nd Mar : A4 462m
02-Mar-15 19:37     02-Mar-15 19:40     -248.01
Greyhound Racing / Nott 2nd Mar : A2 500m
02-Mar-15 19:32     02-Mar-15 19:35     31.73
Greyhound Racing / Yarm 2nd Mar : A1 462m
02-Mar-15 19:22     02-Mar-15 19:26     26.27
Greyhound Racing / Nott 2nd Mar : A3 500m
02-Mar-15 19:01     02-Mar-15 19:05     20.94
Greyhound Racing / Sheff 2nd Mar : A4 500m
02-Mar-15 17:33     02-Mar-15 17:36     48.64

Horse Racing    Showing 1 - 8 of 8 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / SunP (US) 2nd Mar : R4 7f Claim
02-Mar-15 20:45     02-Mar-15 21:02     48.65
Horse Racing / SunP (US) 2nd Mar : R2 2f Allw
02-Mar-15 20:20     02-Mar-15 20:38     16.54
Horse Racing / Wolv 2nd Mar : 1m1f Mdn Stks
02-Mar-15 17:40     02-Mar-15 17:44     24.32
Horse Racing / Wolv 2nd Mar : 1m1f Hcap
02-Mar-15 17:10     02-Mar-15 17:14     204.33
Horse Racing / Sthl 2nd Mar : 2m Hcap Hrd
02-Mar-15 16:50     02-Mar-15 16:58     233.52
Horse Racing / Wolv 2nd Mar : 1m1f Hcap
02-Mar-15 16:40     02-Mar-15 16:49     63.24
Horse Racing / Fake 2nd Mar : 3m Hcap Hrd
02-Mar-15 16:30     02-Mar-15 16:39     29.09
Horse Racing / Sthl 2nd Mar : 3m Hcap Hrd
02-Mar-15 16:20     02-Mar-15 16:28     42.81

Snooker    Showing 1 - 2 of 2 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Snooker / M Williams v Walker : Match Odds
02-Mar-15 22:00     02-Mar-15 23:01     53.17
Snooker / Bond v Dale : Match Odds
02-Mar-15 19:00     02-Mar-15 20:15     124.51

Soccer    Showing 1 - 3 of 3 markets

Market    Start time    Settled date    Profit/loss (£)
Soccer / Roma v Juventus : Match Odds
02-Mar-15 20:00     02-Mar-15 21:52     24.52
Soccer / Roma v Juventus : Over/Under 0.5 Goals
02-Mar-15 20:00     02-Mar-15 21:23     241.60
Soccer / Liverpool U21 v Chelsea U21 : Over/Under 2.5 Goals
02-Mar-15 19:00     02-Mar-15 20:51     -332.32
Report undern March 3, 2015 5:50 PM GMT
Back in now. Mmm so I stayed up after the update and did a bit more betting only to waste £700 or so on a footy match hoping for goals ... yep no goals ... got to bed around 1am ... up early, now tired and mentally fatigued. So the bank is now down to £1K mark ... well actually £1012 but whose counting Laugh.

I am not continuing with this challenge ... gave it a shot but ultimately I can't seem to push on and to be honest it (as I pointed out in my last post) is mentally taxing when you have won so much in a short space of time to then have to do it again because like it not with these challenges you hit a high figure then if you go back a step or two (or 50) you only feel like you are again moving forward once you get past that original high.

I am sure some know what I am on about. Anyway again I had a fun (in a twisted sort of way) time and I may come back when I feel ready to take the challenge on again in public ... all the best to one and all.
Report stewarty b March 3, 2015 5:56 PM GMT
GL. Maybe 1k to 10 k would have been more realistic?
Report undern March 3, 2015 6:06 PM GMT
Cheers stewarty b. I still hang around on BF betting (although not as much as I used to) so I may do mini-challenges or perhaps like you say £1K to £10K etc. Just read about someone trying a £10 challenge ... but my problem is that I greening up where needed so hard to put something up and then have to explain I actually greened up on the bet. TBH just feel mentally tired from the last week or so ... so best to let it go.
Report casemoney March 9, 2015 9:58 PM GMT
Shirley 1-10 withdraw 8 then 2-20 etc ,you may not have Discipline Undern but with a right plan you could well be very profitable ,you certainly have the bottle ,which is something that is deffo needed ,trying to get the lot in one go is
your downfall ,g luck if you try again Happy
Report dunlaying March 28, 2015 11:22 PM GMT
Lunatic
Report undern March 29, 2015 3:46 AM BST
Interesting comment Crazy
Report doridoru April 1, 2015 3:03 PM BST
Don't call me Shirley
Report undern April 1, 2015 4:08 PM BST
Shirley not ...
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