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some stats are better than others
you are correct in that the bookies like to feed us stats that suit themselves |
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I guess the main point here is that if the same stats are presented to everybody, which is what the media and the bookies do, then that is of no use to the masses as it all points to the same conclusion and a shortening of prices in one direction.
Great for those who keep their own different states as Shapeshifter says. |
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Following the media is the worst.
The other trick is to find the form for particular sports. i.e. Baseball, finding 10 games works well with the pitching rotations. |
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"I've often said that in betting, the only people that profit from stats are the bookmakers."
But then you talk about all this statistical analysis that you've done. This must mean 1 of 3 things. 1. You are a bookmaker. 2. You don't actually believe the things that you say. 3. You are a bit of a weirdo with nothing better to do who likes doing stats that he knows will not bring about a profit. Which number are you? |
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My latest koo
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surely you have to kiss a lot of frog stats before you find a prince stat
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Ok giving a more serious response, the bookies benefit from the stats because they generally offer prices worse than true value and stop all the people betting who are able to spot the occasions when the prices offered are actually better than value.
Let me ask you or anyone else who wants to answer it a question. What percentage of people who bet use stats to make their bets and what percentage of people bet on who they think the winner will be, or just a "feel" that the price is good value. To give a response to the opening post it may be an unexciting and banal but it comes down to relevance and availability. The best stats are the most relevant and least available ones. |
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People in bookies ....my guess on percentages :_
1. Backing horses with their favourite jockeys riding em........15% 2. Backing "lucky" numbers.......................................5%. 3. Backing favourite............................................10% 4. Backing horses where DRAW might give them an advantage. ......3% 5. Backing a horse that won last time out........................5% 6. Backing because they like horses name or a colour in name.....3% 7. Backing top trainers horses................................. .3%. 8. Backing because they like colour of horse or look of horse... 3% 9. Backing 2nd or 3rd favourites................................ 3% 10.Backing newspaper or other napsters tips..................... 3% 11. Backing "whispers".......................................... 1%. 12. Backing on noting market moves.............................. 3% 13. Backing because they believe they have a "system"........... 5% 14. BACKING USING STATS in a crude fashion...................... 6% 15. BACKING WHERE THEY FEEL THE ODDS ARE VALUE.................. 1%. 16. BACKING BECAUSE THEY "BELIEVE" THEY KNOW WHAT THE WINNER WILL BE..................................................... 3%. 17. Other spurious reasons.....and they probably are under influence of alcohol or other drugs.........................28% No idea what figures would be for BETFAIR punters.......but likely "pros" use STATS linked to VALUE bets mainly. |
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Do you have any idea the number of players in Tennis who tank matches / tournaments ? it happens a lot and player retiring just after the first set. Betting on lower ranked players is precarious.
Also have to factor in other things, players who arrive at a tournament off the back of reaching the latter part of another, after a long haul flight (there in different countries every week of the year) and has had little time to prepare, there is a lot more to predicting the outcome of a tennis match then the %'s breakdowns of a players game. |
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This is a decent article on the different factors that can influence the outcome of a tennis match, as another poster said, a player reaching the latter stages of one tournament and then flying thousands of miles for another has to come into your consideration before placing any bets.
http://www.tennisratings.co.uk/article---the-effect-of-situational-factors-in-a-tennis-match |
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Roker...cheers for the article
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