Feb 5, 2014 -- 8:23AM, U.A. wrote:
"I've often said that in betting, the only people that profit from stats are the bookmakers."But then you talk about all this statistical analysis that you've done. This must mean 1 of 3 things.1. You are a bookmaker.2. You don't actually believe the things that you say.3. You are a bit of a weirdo with nothing better to do who likes doing stats that he knows will not bring about a profit.Which number are you?
1. No, not a bookmaker but I'll often take the 'approach' when looking at an event. I will weigh out the risks, etc, and take more than one position on an event. My attitude is if you are going to spend time on researching an event, it's best to make the most of your time.
2. My wording did come across as contradictory. But the main gist of it is that the public rely on the most basic of stats that are presented to them, usually by the bookmakers themselves. The extreme is to create algorithms and extensive filters to 'predict the likeliest outcome'. Around five years ago, with the help of a friend who (a) loves sports and (b) loves numbers even more, took the pythagorean theory as it is used in sports and took it further. It works great for baseball but no other sports, perhaps because of the number of games per season. I also created a set of basic filters that takes different weights on stats from football (soccer). I then tried it live and though the returns on 1x2 were okay, it did create a filter that triggered around eight matches a week from fifteen leagues world-wide of odds against OU 2.5. So where I may not believe in stats, I do believe in taking a different angle on all sports than research that is readily available and, as stated, placed like giant billboards in front of the betting public and repeated in a Clockwork Orange rehabilitation approach on in-play radio.
3. I believe that would be a masochist you are describing which, I believe, all of us in the world of plus/minus have in us.
Feb 5, 2014 -- 10:18PM, donny osmond wrote:
surely you have to kiss a lot of frog stats before you find a prince stat
Three things I have found that decreases the 'frog factor':
a)Look at things from a different angle which will give you edge. So when you do create a rating (based on stats), then not just a matter of 'back-checking' but putting them in context of the conditions which then have to be noted. This can't be easily done by back-dating. Then, like my example, you might find something that you went in to find you 1x2 football and, instead, offers up U/O 2.5. Right now, my tennis ratings are taking shape. One of the parameters seems to be offering up total games that comes to a range of 16-19 whenever it flags up the underdog which has mixed results so I'll look at the margins of under/over for games rather than the result.
b) You have to be selective and realistic. Your filter gives you four football matches out of ten that day. Then treat it like 'preliminary research' then narrow it down to two going more indepth.
c) you have to bet live, not just on paper. It might just be a fiver, but it shows the results and also means you feel it is a play where you should take on rather than speculate.
Feb 7, 2014 -- 2:53AM, scandanavian_haven wrote:
Do you have any idea the number of players in Tennis who tank matches / tournaments ? it happens a lot and player retiring just after the first set. Betting on lower ranked players is precarious.Also have to factor in other things, players who arrive at a tournament off the back of reaching the latter part of another, after a long haul flight (there in different countries every week of the year) and has had little time to prepare, there is a lot more to predicting the outcome of a tennis match then the %'s breakdowns of a players game.
Everything you listed, obviously, not in the stats. But this is something that, yes, you can make note of.
This would go under the column of 'context'.
You can 'overthink' a selection, as well (I'm going through that right now with my racing selections. Very frustrating). But when I look at a bet, if I weigh in other factors like you mentioned, then it can come down to how much you wager rather than bet/no bet.
I once witnessed live Agassi playing in Montreal. Being from the States, he had to come over the border into Canada to play.
He came on the court under the sun and just kept hitting the ball, angry. My friend even heckled saying 'take the appearance fee and go home'. Agassi never made eye contact with anyone and a total unknown advanced while Agassi headed for the exit in two sets and for the airport.
Being a border crossing, I guess the Crystal Meth wasn't easily available for hotel delivery