HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT EVERY ONE OF THESE THREADS THAT SHOW YOU HOW TO MAKE MONEY ON HERE LOSE

LAYING 0-0
BACKING 1.01
LAYING 1.01
BACKING 0-0
LAYING SELECTIVE FAVS
BACKING SEL FAVS

LAYING TOP WEIGHTS IN HANDICAPS WHEN ITS DRY
LAYING TOP WEIGHTS IN HANDICAPS WHEN ITS WET
BACKING TOP WEIGHTS IN HANDICAPS WHEN ITS DRY
BACKING TOP EIGHTS IN HANDICAPS WHENITS WET
LAYING HORSES THAT HAVE TRAVELLED THE LONGEST DISTANCE
LAYING HORSES THAT HAVE TRAVELED THE SHORTISH DISTANCE
BACKING HORSES THAT HAVE TRAVELLED THE LONGEST DISTANCE
BACKING HORSES THAT HAVE TRAVELLED THE SHORTISH DISTANC

BACKING HORSES WITH WOMEN JOCKEYS
LAYING HORSES WITH WOMEN JOCKEYS

THERES MILLIONS OF THESE THREADS AND NONE WIN YOU ANY MONEY

LAYING 0-0
BACKING 1.01
LAYING 1.01
BACKING 0-0
LAYING SELECTIVE FAVS
BACKING SEL FAVS

LAYING TOP WEIGHTS IN HANDICAPS WHEN ITS DRY
LAYING TOP WEIGHTS IN HANDICAPS WHEN ITS WET
BACKING TOP WEIGHTS IN HANDICAPS WHEN ITS DRY
BACKING TOP EIGHTS IN HANDICAPS WHENITS WET
LAYING HORSES THAT HAVE TRAVELLED THE LONGEST DISTANCE
LAYING HORSES THAT HAVE TRAVELED THE SHORTISH DISTANCE
BACKING HORSES THAT HAVE TRAVELLED THE LONGEST DISTANCE
BACKING HORSES THAT HAVE TRAVELLED THE SHORTISH DISTANC

BACKING HORSES WITH WOMEN JOCKEYS
LAYING HORSES WITH WOMEN JOCKEYS

THERES MILLIONS OF THESE THREADS AND NONE WIN YOU ANY MONEY

BACKINGHORSES TAT WON LAST TIME OUT
LAYING HORSES THAT WON LAST TIME OUT
BACKING HORSES THAT WERE BEATEN FAV LAST TIME OUT
LAYING HORSES THAT WERE  BEATEN FAV LAST TIME OUT
BACKING HORSES THAT PULLED UP LAST TIME OUT
LAYING HORSES THAT PULLED UP LAST TIME OUT

THEY ALL LOSE IN THE LONG TERM

BACKING HORSES WITH TRAINERS IN FORM
LAYING HORSES WITH TRAINERS IN FORM
BACKING HORSES WITH TRAINERS OUT OF FORM
LAYING HORSES WITH TRAINERS OUT OF FORM


YOU NAME IT AND THEY ALL LOSE

BACKING HORSES THAT RAN IN THE LAST WEEK
LAYING HORSES THAT WON IN THE LAST WEEK
BACKING HORSES THAT HAVE NEVER WON A RACE
BACKING HORSES THAT HAVE WON RACES
BACKING HORSES WHERE THE PRIZE MONEY IS OVER £5000
LAYING HORSES WHERE THE PRIZE MONEY IS UNDER £5000

YOU CAN WASTE YOUR LIFE AWAY LIKE IM DOING FOLLOWING THESE SYSTEMS AND MONEY

LAYING HORSES THAT SWEAT
BACKING HORSES THAT SWEAT
LAYING HORSES THAT WAGGLE THEIR TAILS
BACKING HORSES THAT WAGGLE THEIR TAILS

THEY ALL LOSE WHEN YOU FOLLOW THEM

BACKING COURSE AND DISTANCE WINNERS
LAYING COURSE AND DISTANCE WINNERS
BACKING COURSE WINNERS
LAYING COURSE WINNERS
BACKING HORSES AT A NEW DISTANCE
LAYING HORSES AT NEW DISTANCES

THEY ALL LEAD YOU TO THE POOR HOUSE AND FUNNY FARM

BACKING  SELECTIVE ODDS ON SHOTS
LAYING  SELECTIVE ODDS ON SHOTS

A SELECTIVE ODDS ON SHOT FOR ME MIGHT NOT BE THE SELECTIVE ODDS ON SHOT FOR YOU BUT WE BOTH STILL LOSE WITH OUR SELECTIONS

ONLY BACKING HORSES THAT YOUVE SEEN IN THE PARADE RING
ONLY LAYING HORSES THAT YOUVE SEEN IN THE PARADE RING

THE ONLY THING YOU GET FROM THIS SYSTEM IS PARANNOYA THINKING THAT YOU NEED GLASSES

BACKING HORSES THAT ARE DISSRUPTIVE AT THE START
LAYING HORSES THAT ARE DISRUPTIVE AT THE START

YOU LOSE ALL YOUR MONEY WHAT EVER YO DO ,AND YOUR ALSO ENTRUSTED TO WATCHING UNRULY BEHAVOUR

BACKING HORSES THAT THE TRAINERS TIPPED
LAYING HORSES THAT THE TRAINERS TIPPED

AGAIN YOUR SKINT ,AND YOU THINK YOUR TRAINERS A LIAR ,AND THEIRS A CONSPIRACY TO MAKE YOU BANCRUPT

BACKING HORSES THAT HAVENT RUN  FOR OVER A YEAR
LAYING HORSES THAT HAVENT RUN FOR OVER A YEAR

SKINT AGAIN AND WONDERING WHAT A STRANGE HORSE HAS BEEN UPTO FOR OVER A YEAR

BACKING HORSES THAT LEAD
LAYING HORSES THAT LEAD

YOU DONT ONLY LOSE YOUR MONEY WITH THIS SYSTEM ,BUT YOU SHOUT AT THE T V WHEN THE JOCKEY STARTS AT THE BACK

LAYING  HELD UP HORSES
BACKING HELD UP HORSES

THIS IS WHERE YOU CALL THE JOCKEY ,NO MATTER WHEATHER HES AT THE FRONT OR BACK IF HE DOESNT WIN AND IN THE LONG TERM HE DOESNT WIN

YOUR SKINT AGAIN

BACKING HORSES IN A LOWER GRADE THAN WHERE THEVE BEEN RUNNING
LAYING A HORSE IN A LOWER GRADE THAN WHERE THEVE BEEN RUNNING

YOU LOSE ALL YOUR MONEY WITH THIS SYSTEM ,YOU ALSO SHOULD HAVE ALSO STUDIED IN YOUR OWN GRADE THAT WORRYING ABOUT WHAT GRADE A HORSE IS IN

YOU SHOULD HAVE STUDIED IN YOUR OWN GRADE AT SCHOOL ,THAN WORRING ABOUT  WHAT GRADE A HORSE IS IN ^^^^^^^^^^

YOU READ THE FORM  AND USE  YOUR JUDGEMENT AND THEN YOU PLACE YOUR BET AND LOSE IN THE LONG TERM

ITS JUST SHOWS YOU HOW BAD YOUR JUDGEMENT IS

I LOVE IT WHEN THEY SAY YOU NEED TO BE SELECTIVE WITH YOUR CHOICES ,

I CAN CATAGORICALLY STATE  YOU DONT NEED TO BE SELECTIVE AS THEY LOSE THE SAME AS ME AND YOU

THEY  SAY YOU NEED TO BE SELECTIVE AS THEVE GOT THE SELECTIVE MIND NEEDED

WHEN THEY JUST A T O S S POT GAMBLER LIKE ME

AMEN

PS THEY WRITE FORMULAS ON HERE LIKE THEVE BEEN TAUGHT BY EINSTEIN ,AS THOUGH THEIR EDUCATED ,

THOSE FORMULAS ARE FOR ROCKET SCIENCE AND INDUSTRY ,AND TO WORK OUT HOW MANY PLANTETS AND STARS ARE IN THE UNIVERSE NOT HOW TO WIN MONEY GAMBLING

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh

All wise words Doo Wah, but the plural of FORMULA is FORMULAE.

Trouble is - when you don't get stuff like that right people don't believe the other things you say.

I've been following people who get tricky plurals right - the sort of people who know that the plural of REFERENDUM is REFERENDA (not REFERENDUMS - that one really annoys me)and I'm making a bl00dy fortune as a result. Only trouble is i don't have many bets because most people are spods who can't spell.

I WAS OFF SCHOOL WITH GERMAN MEASELS WHEN WE WAS TAUGHT PLURALS ,I ALSO MISSED THE CLASS ON HOW TO WORK OUT THE AREA OF A SQUARE ISOSOLES TRIANGLE ,BUT I DO MY BEST

BUT FORMULAE IS NOW IN MY VOCABUALY

I HATE NH FLAT RACES... DOES THIS MAKE ME A RACIST?

Do wah Diddy, winning is simple, you just have to get matched at better odds than the true chance of the occurrence in as many events as possible using a suitably sustainable percentage of the betting bank. Working out how to do that consistently is the difficult bit, but knowing that that's the only way to win (not quite the only way but to all intents and purposes it is) will put you ahead of the masses in an instant. :)

Diddy dum Diddy Doo

TREV H IVE RED YOUR REPLY AT LEAST 4 TIMES AND I THINK IM GOING TO WORK ON IT ,IT SOUNDS VERY GOOD TO ME AND ,ITS ONE OF THE BEST IVE HERD THAT MAKES SENSE

I WAS NEVER GOOD AT CO SIGNS AT SCHOOL AT MATHS UNTILL THETEACHER SAT DOWN BESIDE ME AT SCHOOL  AND THEN ,I WAS ONE OF HIS TOP STUDENTS ON CO SIGNS ,EVEN THOUGH I VE FORGOT WHAT ONE IS TODAY

BUT WHEN I UNDERSTAND SOMETHING IM USUALLY VERY GOOD AT IT ,IF I WANT TO BE ,

AND I THINK IM ON BOARD NOW

THANK YOU

TREV H WHEN IM RICH I WILL NOT FORGET YOU ,I WILL TELL EVERYBODY TREV H PUT ME ON THE RIGHT ROAD ,LIKE JESUS PUT HIS DISCIPLES ON THE RIGHT ROAD

AND IF I DONT WIN I WONT CALL YOU ,ILL JUST SAY YOU DID YOUR BEST

NO LONGER WILL I LOOK JUST FOR A WINNER ,IT WILL HAVE TO BE A WINNER ABOVE THE PRICE THAT IT SHOULD BE

AT LAST AT THE AGE OF 63 I THINK I HAVE FOUND THE HOLY GRAIL OF GAMBLING

I WILL KEEP YOU INFORMED HOW IM GOING ONIF IM STILL ALIVE

IM GOING TO BORROW A TENNER OFF MY MAM TODAY AND PUT IT IN THE BANK AND START AFRESH TODAY ,I WILL TELL HER I NEED A TENNER FOR A PART FOR MY COMPUTER AS SHE WONT LEND IT ME ,IF SHE KNOWS ITS FOR GAMBLING

SOME OF YOU MAY SAY ,THATS OBVIOUS WHAT TREV H SAYS BUT ITS THE WAY THAT HE SAYS IT ,THAT MAKES SENSE

AND IVE LISTENED TO ALOT OF PEOPLE IN MY LIFE SO I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT .I USUALLY JUST LISTEN AND THEN SAY TO MY SELF WHAT A T O S S POT,BUT THIS MAN HAS GOT SUBSTANCE AND IM A FOLLOWER AND FAN FROM THIS DAY FORWARD

good thread

People have even resorted to starting threads called how much can i lose....

do the opposite

Trevh's use of the apostrophe in "that's" is correct, that would suggest he's right about gambling too. On the other hand his use of brackets later in the post is a little inelegant, so that counts against him. Maybe follow his advice but only with half of your tenner.

Teacher sat next to me once but then he had to leave and we never saw him again except on the news.

I have a strategy that guarantees that you'll break even, and it involves basically no work, although it can't help you with apostrophe's (or bracket usage).

IM THAT CONFEEDENT WITH THIS PROCESS IVE GOT £10 OFF MY MAM AND IVE PUT MY LAST £2 IN THE BANK AS WELL STARTING BANK NOW £12

AND IM GOING TO HAVE MORE DISCIPLLINE THAN THE BRITISH ARMY

true. so how is anyone making it pay, e.g. PC payers

Do you remember that day when every race at Ascot was won by a horse ridden by a man who liked to wear a blue shirt?
In my bookies everyone was saying that he won't win the next one, but he did.
There's a lesson here somewhere.

The best value horse in the race is the one that drifts the most so there's your bet.

By the way there's only one horse in the race with any chance of winning it, and that's the one that does win in.
Backing any of the others is money down the drain regardless of its price.

If you can't find winners then keep your stakes to a minimum.

And for those who insist on looking for the value remember this.

If you’re good enough to accurately weigh up the chance of every runner and put a meaningful figure to it, then you shouldn't have any trouble finding the winner, so why not just back it?

Think about that value suckers.

Oh blimey here I go again - another controversial point.

Why don't systems work ?


Because they are cyclic, especially so are bookmaker games.

You need to look for the bias (or edge or value or whatever)

Discuss - but not you DO WAH !!

Why don't systems work ?


Because they are cyclic,

I certainly agree with that, and your favourite tool will usually let you down when you need it the most.

Furthermore, looking for the the value bet is nonesense.
As I said before, if you can assess a race so accurately that you can put a meaningful figure on every runners chance of winning, you would be so good that you would be overburdened with backing winners.

A quick note; in nearly every handicap the winner can be backed at a decent price.
And if you're not good enough to sort out handicaps, then how can you access the true chance of a runner in any race.

cyclic is good, your edge will change as the bookies change their odds, it may dip into an area of no gain

simples , no bet

The way to win is to very carefully study an event, and
and work out how Joe Public will see it, then back against
it happening. You will have plenty of losing bets but the
winning bets will be at bigger prices than they should be,
sometimes referred to as 'getting the value'. It works.

Any winning price is a good price as the horse will be paying a lot less if they run the same race again a week later , then again any lay on a losing horse is a good value lay as it will be paying far more in the exact same race the next week. (Allowing for the bad luck , blackbooker) types of course.

So I'd say the best bets are to do the opposite to what all the money is on, whether it be insider money or not , I have heard so many insiders, trainers, jockeys talking about how great their horse has trained all week and GET ON, but many times there are 3 of them in a race, so which one to get on ? I'd lay the one with the most money on it all day long

IVE DONE THE OPPOSITE AND EVEN BROUGHT THE THEORM OF PYPHAGORAS INTO MY EQUATIONS TO FIND A WINNING SYSTEM ,BUT SLL FAIL I WAS DEAD SMUG LAST WEEK ,I HAD A WINNING SYSTEM ,I WAS THAT CONFEEDENT I SENT OFF FOR MY LOST DRIVING LICENCE ,I VE NOT HAD ACAR FOR THE LAST 3 YEARS,THE REPLACEMENT LICENCE FEE WAS £20 ONLY FOR MY SYSTEM TO GO UP THE WALL IN ONE DAY ,IVE NEVER BEEN SO CONFEEDENT ,I THOUGHT I WOULD GO DOWN IN HISTORY WITH MY SOLUTION LIKE THE MAN FROM MONTEECARLO ,BUT I WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS JUST ANOTHER MUG PUNTER

Where do you stand on grey horses Do Wah?

Someone told me they always win - do you think he's a racist?

I STAND ON THE SADDLE WHEN IM DOING MY CIRCUS TRICKS

I THOUGHT LAYING TOP WEIGHTS IN LONG DISTANCE RACES IN HEAVY GOING  WAS A GOOD IDEA UNTILL I TRIED IT

I ONCE SEEN TWO HORSES THAT DIDNT LOOK RIGHT TO ME ON T V AND LAID THEM BOTH ,ONLY FOR THEM BOTH TO FIGHT OUT A PHOTO FINISH AND THE OUTSIDER OF THEM WON

IVE LAID HORSES THAT SWEAT ,AND THEY WON

IVE LAID HORSES THAT HAVE THREW THEIR JOCKEY AND  GALLOPED ALL OVER THE PLACE BEFORE THEVE GONE IN THE STALLS AND THEVE STILL WON

I LAID A HORSE ONCE THAT WAS LEFT IN THE STALLS AND WAS THAT FAR BEHIND IT COULDNT WIN THE RACE WHATEVER HAPPENED AND IT WON

IVE TRIED EVERYTHING AND EVERY SYSTEM

I THOUGHT WHEN I LAID HORSES THAT TRAVELLED THE FARTHEST WAS A GOOD IDEA I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE FED UP AND TIRED OF TRAVERLING ALL DAY ,

  BUT I THINK  SOME OF THEM  THOUGHT THEY WERE ON THEIR HOLIDAYS ,AND HAD EXTRA ENERGY

If you were making money, why the fudge would you come on here and tell everyone how to do it..

THEIRS STILL ALOT OF NICE PEOPLE LEFT IN THIS WORLD ,YOU UNDER ESTIMATE PEOPLE ,IT MUST BE HOW YOUVE BEEN BROUGHT UP ,OR THE CROWD YOU ASSOCIATE WITH ,NOT AL ARE LIKE YOU

ITS NOT WHAT CAN I TAKE ,BUT WHAT CAN I GIVE

THAT SHOULD BE YOUR MOTTO

YOUR THE KIND THAT PUSHES IN ON THE MOTORWAY AT THE TURNOFF,WHILE US NICE PEOPLE WAIT IN THE QUE

YOUR ALL FOR YOUR SELF

IF EVERYBODY THOUGHT LIKE YOU ,THERE WOULD BE NO ST JOHNS  AMBULANCE MEN AND WOMEN

I BET YOUVE NEVER GIVEN YOUR LAST ROLO AWAY

IN FACT I BET YOUVE NEVER GIVEN MUCH AWAY

YOUR JUST THE TYPE WHO JESUS TOLD US TO BE WARY OF

Jul 18, 2013 -- 12:29PM, Do wah Diddy wrote:

I THOUGHT WHEN I LAID HORSES THAT TRAVELLED THE FARTHEST WAS A GOOD IDEA I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE FED UP AND TIRED OF TRAVERLING ALL DAY ,  BUT I THINK  SOME OF THEM  THOUGHT THEY WERE ON THEIR HOLIDAYS ,AND HAD EXTRA ENERGY