Bettingbook 2013 Turf Flat Season

*on days when the handbrake is finally released

How many c&d winners running off their right mark will be in double figures?

Sorry that’s 238 bets for last year
april   -15pts
may     +51.7pts
june    +64.2pts
july    +34.7pts
august  -56.2pts
sept    +4pts
238 bets
Bank 2012  +80.3pts

2012/13  -50pts all weather 
2012 +80pts flat turf
2011 -27pts flat turf
2010 +94.9pts flat turf

yeah vis thats a problem but we usually take it on the chin if it drifts we stick with it and if it shortens well tough luck if you are not on before the money came for it. There are about 30 of us and the points above for last year are prices we took from the high street bookmakers when the horse was given.

No problem Burton so long as everyone knows the selections are just fancies, any horses we get info on I will let people know we got some info on it. As said earlier on the thread there are about 30 of us and at least you will get the price on the horses we give out,althrough we only do the flat we already have three bets for cheltenham mid january just for the interest.We normally have our first bets the 1st of April.

Aupcharlie 10/1 2pts e/w in the jewson
Melodic Rondevous 14/1 e/w in the supreme
Hinderland 18/1 1pt e/w in the grand annual

It sounds to me as you will stand or fall by the quality of your information.

If there are lots of you and you can be sure to get the price, then the only thing standing in your way is non-triers.

it looks like hinterland is doubtful for the grand annual chase but the other two are looking ok for their races.

Value, them guys that own that pub fell out with that outfit last year and I would treat any info they get from them with extreme caution, btw just take a look at johnsons next 5 runners after your info they finished 22112 and they heard nothing but as I said before they did get good info last few years but they have worn their welcome out with that crowd.
Also like to say I am looking forward to this year and if there is one rule I feel we should have stuck with was we should have backed the horses that lost the next time out, just look at the horses that won next time out after we backed them.

Btw, at least our cheltenham bets are on track.

right we start the year off -10pts, 8pts lost at cheltenham and 2pts lost on copperwood two weeks ago.just to let people know that we have decided to revert back to having some place bets this year so the bets will be

2pts place
1pt e/w
2pts e/w
3pts win

We have also put a max limit of 6pts per day except royal ascot

CHAVAL ROUGE 2ND 33/1

BET 1 conducting 18/1 1pt e/w sp 14/1 5th beaten hd 1/2L 1L nk  loss 2pts

bank -12pts

just my opinion value but there is surely some decent ones in the flat between 5/1 and 7/1,that you might regret not backing win only.

4.30 northside prince

this horse has raced twice at southwell and bumped into two horses that handle that course very well, his last race he was beaten 4.5L by his stable mate HONEST DEAL who's own record at southwell is raced 5 times finishing 22421.
the only other time he raced at southwell he was 2nd to stouty's SPEED DATING who's own record at the track is 212.

the only doubt about this horse is the distance 1m6f therefore like sunday it will be a watch and learn exercise.

I would like to also state why Chavel Rouge was not a bet on sunday.
She had a bad record 1st time out each season however she had somethings in her favor like the jockey riding near his minimum weight, running well on desperate ground and the stable targeting a competitive handicap for the first run of the season, but we dicided her record 1st time out was just not good enough to have a bet and kudos to some who said surely it was worth taking the chance on her at 50/1 but we did what we did.

Purley Queen (IRE)  OFFICIAL RATING 56
b f 2009 Piccolo (GB) Queenie (GB)
15Mar13 Lin 8A 4y+ Hcap(4K) 8-9[16/1] 3rd of 6 btn  0.75L behind Absent Amy (IRE) OR 56
26Feb13 Lin 7A 4y+ Hcap(3K) 8-11[8/1] 5th of 9 btn  2.38L behind West Leake (IRE)  OR 57
15Feb13 Lin 7A 4y+ Hcap(3K) 9-6[8/1] 7th of 10 btn 2.75L behind Hereford Boy (GB) OR 59
05Dec12 Lin 7A 3y+ Hcap(3K) 9-2[12/1] 6th of 12 btn  3.13L behind Sunshine Always (IRE)  OR 65
12Jun12 Lin 6A 3y F(2K) 8-7[8/1] 2nd of 9 btn  1.75L behind Dark Ages (IRE) 0R 59

Purley looks as though she is hard to win with having only won 2 races from 30 however if we take a close look at her record around lingfield we will see she is rarely far away from the winner at the line as the form above points out. Her last 2 races at lingfield were run to form with the fav and 2nd fav filling the first two places in both races, those who are with us a while will know we like following horses from these type of races. There is a capable claimer taking 7LB of today and we will have 2pts win @ 5/1

Bet: 2.00 Purley Queen  5/1 2pts win

got the makings of a decent thread this..good luck

2 bets today



RACE: 2.55 KEMPTON SATURDAY
HORSE: spifer
TRAINER:macro botti

This gelding has raced 13 times and only won twice however I am more interested in his record at kempton than his overall profile.He has raced three times at kempton finishing 2nd 1st 2nd, his win coming over Saturdays course and distance 1m3f. He first raced at kempton in 2011 where he came 2nd to  Ivan vasilevich  who was rated 77  Ivan only raced 3 times at kempton winning 2 and finishing 8th. He went on to be rated a 90 horse that year.
Spifer did not come back to kempton until 19 months later where he beat Graylami by a sh giving him 7LB over saturdays C&D. Graylami has not raced since however the 3rd horse won his next race, also the last horse Aquilonius who was beaten 14L raced 5 times since finishing 8th 1st 3rd 3rd 2nd so its turning out to be a nice little race. Spifer then had an almost two month break before he raced again, surprise surprise at kempton again where he was beaten 1/4L by  ROBINHOODS BAY receiving 8LB. You could be forgiven for thinking spifer was put in his place and thats the end of that however ROBINHOODS BAY CAME OUT JUST 10 DAYS LATER AND WAS BEATEN 1/2L BY THE FAVORITE FARRAAJ IN THE LINGFIELD WINTER DERBY, A GROUP 3 RACE YES A GROUP 3 RACE. ROBINHOODS BAY IS NOW RATED 101 AND FARRAAJ IS RATED 108 THIS PUTS SPIFER IN A REALLY NICE POSITION FOR SATURDAYS RACE. ALSO FAARAAJ'S JOCKEY WILL HAVE THE CHOICE OF RIDING SPIFER SO ANY MONEY FOR THIS HORSE EARLY IN THE WEEK WILL MEAN THE STABLE THINKS AS I DO ITS AHEAD OF THE HANDICAPPER.


BET:  SPIFER 2pts win   6/1

Race. 1.55 Doncaster
Horse. Patriotic.
Trainer. C.A. Dwyer

Patriotic's trainer has had 4 winners from his last 12 runners and the only time Patriotic ran at doncaster over a mile he was 5/1 fav and he duly went in, albeit with one of the greats on his back Mj Kinane in a legends race. His sire pivotal gives us some hope he should handle todays ground. 20/1 with vc and stan james we will have a punt on this.

Bet: PATRIOTIC 1pt e/w 20/1

6 pointer today, sorry no write up.

3.40 the noble ord 1pt e/w 10/1
4.00 fieldgunner kirkup 2pts win 3/1
4.50 panther claw 1pt e/w 12/1

The more I look at racing, my view on 'placing' is that it is simply for settlement purposes but has little bearing on a horses abilities.

Two races, both same winning times.

Race 1 horse finishes 3rd by 3 lengths

Race 2 horse finishes 5th by 2 1/4 lengths

In the betting shop, horse in race 1 will be the selection.........

depends on the price for me I will only back a horse e/w if there is a profit if he is placed 6/1 or more