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By:
sweetchildofmine
When: 29 Nov 12 19:25
you make some very bold statements without a shred of proof....does this forum really mean this much to you? if it does, fair do's, it just smacks of well it just seems sad and not at all healthy, but hey i'll let you get on with it and i'll take comfort in the fact if youre following me around like a love sick puppy, it means youre leaving others alone..enjoy your ermm life?
By:
hejik
When: 29 Nov 12 19:30
you can't help but post SCOM
the burden of proof lies with the ones making claims of bold profits

"£1000 a week profit thread" states smithy and doesn't pay PC does he? Laugh
By:
green army
When: 29 Nov 12 19:41
no you're right henry you deserve a full reply only i blocked you and i cant be bothered to look back - so whjat was the question ?
By:
hejik
When: 29 Nov 12 19:47
You didn't block me but I'll humour you

1.) What's more likely?

a) "Green Army" is right and the entire market has it wrong after MILLIONS and MILLIONS of pounds exchanged hands worldwide.

or

b) After MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of pounds exchanged hands worldwide, the market has found it's level and in fact "Green Army" is wrong





2.)Do you believe the fact there are more goals in Barcelona matches than Roma matches means that the 0-0 should therefore be shorter on Barcelona matches?
By:
Wallflower
When: 29 Nov 12 20:02
Back to the original poster and the general statement "football trading".
Overall i'd say its difficult to "trade" in football; it doesn't have the ebb and flow that cricket, tennis, NFL (and presumably some others) have - where the prices flucuate quite frequently, and quite sharply.

I also found "trading" on football for me is hoping a goal was/wasn't scored within a set period so I could green out, and place percentage of green on something with some decent odds. Not exactly trading, but the only way I make it pay - always with small amounts. Combination of small wins, followed by a biggish loss but overall it doesn't exceed the total of the combined wins. Obviously not my chief focus on here, just a side-job.

Really I'm saying, what is there "trade", is more akin to pure betting.
By:
green army
When: 29 Nov 12 20:02
certainly did block you - i dont lie & dont really understand why anyone would lie - thats the difference between us

anyway,

1) thats easy - i'm always right
2) are we looking at the actuarial "goals" probability in terms of eg the sinclair paradigm, or as a function of a weighted median outcome ?
By:
hejik
When: 29 Nov 12 20:20
I'm really asking you to state if you think think these statements are correct Green Army



1) "it doesn't matter who scores the goals for the 0-0 price there are simply more goals in barca games  - around 4.4 v 3.8 for roma and 5.3 v 4.1 if you're looking at away games

I agree the goal expectancy is higher for roma games than barca, my point is that unless somebody knows something we don't then the stats show that these comparative expectations are simply wrong"




2) "it is irrelevant if roma ship more goals for 0-0 if you are referencing avge goals per game, a goal is a goal and its 0-0 no longer, whoever score"


3) "its a simple proposition, in any given game at home away or on the moon there's more goals in barca games than roma games, hence the 0-0 sb lower in roma games, it hasn't been and i have no idea why"






Just a Yes or a No will do
So far your best answer was fairly vague and makes little sense -

"on a saturday afternoon 2 football matches take place , in one game some goals are scored, in the other game no goals are scored , which game ended 0-0 ?"
By:
green army
When: 29 Nov 12 20:31
and i'm saying to you henry , when the mathematical menu is put in front of you , which hors d'oeuvre do you plump for , the wiseman probability trade-off or the delacroix empirical model ?
By:
hejik
When: 29 Nov 12 20:33
again you are avoiding the question
By:
green army
When: 29 Nov 12 20:47
cartesian dualists do not dodge issues - i merely wish to understand the anatomical framework that underpins your argument, i mean are we arguing this in the context of vectors or vortexes, its your call
By:
hejik
When: 29 Nov 12 20:49
it's not an argument it's a question
it requires a "Yes " or a "No"
By:
hejik
When: 29 Nov 12 20:55
I appreciate your position is difficult because you will look an idiot if you say "yes" and you can't say "no"
So instead you are attempting to avoid answering altogether
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 29 Nov 12 21:04

Nov 29, 2012 -- 8:02PM, Wallflower wrote:


Back to the original poster and the general statement "football trading".Overall i'd say its difficult to "trade" in football; it doesn't have the ebb and flow that cricket, tennis, NFL (and presumably some others) have - where the prices flucuate quite frequently, and quite sharply.I also found "trading" on football for me is hoping a goal was/wasn't scored within a set period so I could green out, and place percentage of green on something with some decent odds. Not exactly trading, but the only way I make it pay - always with small amounts. Combination of small wins, followed by a biggish loss but overall it doesn't exceed the total of the combined wins. Obviously not my chief focus on here, just a side-job.Really I'm saying, what is there "trade", is more akin to pure betting.


If you're letting it go in-play, it is a bet. Just because you're looking to trade out means you're simply creating a different bet. E.g. If you back Under 2.5 at for argument sake 2 and trade out after 15 minutes, all you're doing is creating a 1.xx bet that there are no goals in 15 minutes where 1.xx is the differential of 2 to the price at 15 minutes.

For me trading is pre-play when fewer parameters are in-play bar team news, weather, or the like, depending on your sport.

By:
greedkillsmybankagain
When: 29 Nov 12 21:14
shanedontbegreedy
sticktothemysterysystem
By:
green army
When: 29 Nov 12 21:48
ok henry , here goes , .... err , what was the question again ?
By:
YOMOMMA
When: 01 Dec 12 00:28
Laugh
By:
hejik
When: 01 Dec 12 11:38
Laugh
Green Army
Biggest chancer on the forum
Laugh

http://community.betfair.com/football/go/thread/view/94070/29109559/league-1-play-offs-sheff-utd-30---huddersfield-345?liveView=0
By:
YOMOMMA
When: 01 Dec 12 11:46
hejik and kenilworth, I would like to thank you for exposing these frauds. If it wasn't for your intervention the muppets would have gone on and on with the guesswork, aftertiming, fake P&L's and blatant lying for another 100 odd pages (with little to none serious analysis). You have also probably saved some lurkers and newbies from following the bets they put up and losing a lot of money.
By:
hejik
When: 01 Dec 12 11:52
Thanks Yomomma

Sometimes it IS important to make a point of things
Have to ignore the abuse you get from them and treat it as a natural reaction to being exposed

In all fairness, I only carried on what Kenilworth started so any credit should go to him really
By:
sweetchildofmine
When: 01 Dec 12 13:31
am i missing something here? werent yommamma and hejik proven to be the same poster several months ago?
By:
hejik
When: 01 Dec 12 15:15
where was this SCOM
please show the thread and/or explain how this proof came about
pathetic lies now
clearly something to hide here
shameful stuff
By:
sweetchildofmine
When: 01 Dec 12 15:53
hejik...

Not content with making up bets, SCOM is now making up emails aswell.
Where does it end?


you talk of proof? hmm dont like it when the shoes on the other foot?
By:
Carlos4441
When: 01 Dec 12 17:40
it seems only certain threads are allowed to flourish only if they have been approved by a small handful of sour moaners.

if they dont approve they infest it with ****. case in point.
By:
scara_manga
When: 05 Dec 12 14:14
WTF!

What has any of this got to do with correct score strategies?

I've had varying degrees of success with trading correct scores pre-off. I think if you put enough time into studying the correct score market you can work out patterns , and you can learn to predict certain scores which odds will come down in .
e/g last year when Barcelona played away the odds for 0-1 and 0-2 would drift out to about 11.5 through the day and then an hour before kick-off they would come back down to about 9. If you can get good at predicting the right scores to come in you can set yourself up some nice easy trades. It takes a lot of time staring at a page of numbers and watching for movements which is why I don't do it as much now.
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