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By:
nicholasdc
When: 08 Jan 12 22:40
could have been a good day, but now it's just.. an okay day
it wasn't until a couple of minutes before espanyol scored the equilizer that i decided to go a little in the red on the draw. after all espanyol was pressed on their own half almost all the time. same story with udinese.. unexpected equilizer before ht, then they win 4-1. managed to gradually recover in 3 bets.

after all i'm satisfied with this week's results.

Basketball: €7.36 | Darts: €1.19 | Soccer: €13.26  Total P&L:  €21.81

Basketball / Minnesota @ Washington : Match Odds     08-Jan-12 18:00     08-Jan-12 20:17     1.34
Basketball / Sphinx Lodz v Zastal Zielona Gora : Match Odds     08-Jan-12 17:00     08-Jan-12 18:58     1.43
Basketball / Barcelona v Alicante : Match Odds     08-Jan-12 11:30     08-Jan-12 13:08     1.15
Basketball / New Orleans @ Dallas : Match Odds     08-Jan-12 02:05     08-Jan-12 04:32     1.24
Basketball / Miami @ New Jersey : Match Odds     08-Jan-12 00:35     08-Jan-12 03:07     2.20

Darts / Dekker v Kist : Match Odds     08-Jan-12 18:30     08-Jan-12 19:31     1.19

Soccer / Espanyol v Barcelona : Over/Under 2.5 goals     08-Jan-12 20:30     08-Jan-12 22:26     1.00
Soccer / Espanyol v Barcelona : Correct Score     08-Jan-12 20:30     08-Jan-12 22:25     1.91
Soccer / Espanyol v Barcelona : Match Odds     08-Jan-12 20:30     08-Jan-12 22:24     -26.00
Soccer / Guimaraes v Feirense : Match Odds     08-Jan-12 20:15     08-Jan-12 22:06     1.24
Soccer / Leiria v Benfica : Match Odds     08-Jan-12 18:15     08-Jan-12 20:03     4.19
Soccer / Leiria v Benfica : Correct Score     08-Jan-12 18:15     08-Jan-12 19:47     1.91
Soccer / Leiria v Benfica : Half Time     08-Jan-12 18:15     08-Jan-12 19:02     1.19
Soccer / Ankaragucu v Besiktas : Match Odds     08-Jan-12 17:00     08-Jan-12 18:54     2.39
Soccer / Villarreal v Valencia : Correct Score     08-Jan-12 17:00     08-Jan-12 18:52     8.75
Soccer / Arbroath v Rangers : Match Odds     08-Jan-12 12:45     08-Jan-12 14:39     5.52
Soccer / Udinese v Cesena : Match Odds     08-Jan-12 11:30     08-Jan-12 13:23     4.05
Soccer / Udinese v Cesena : Half Time     08-Jan-12 11:30     08-Jan-12 12:19     -17.00
Soccer / Queretaro v CF America : Match Odds     07-Jan-12 23:00     08-Jan-12 00:57     1.34
Soccer / Monterrey v Jaguares : Match Odds     07-Jan-12 23:00     08-Jan-12 00:48     22.77
By:
nicholasdc
When: 08 Jan 12 22:45
haha, forgot to post the late night results from yesterday when i couldn't sleep. adding these to today's results to make it a very good day Grin

Soccer: €69.07  Total P&L:  €69.07

Soccer     Showing 1 - 8 of 8 markets
Market     Start time     Settled date     Profit/loss (€)
Soccer / Cruz Azul v Tigres : Half Time     07-Jan-12 23:00     07-Jan-12 23:44     1.91
Soccer / Monterrey v Jaguares : Half Time     07-Jan-12 23:00     07-Jan-12 23:44     1.91
Soccer / Malaga v Atl Madrid : Correct Score     07-Jan-12 21:00     07-Jan-12 22:49     6.68
Soccer / Sp Lisbon v Porto : Correct Score     07-Jan-12 20:15     07-Jan-12 22:15     3.82
Soccer / Inter v Parma : Correct Score     07-Jan-12 19:45     07-Jan-12 21:07     21.09
Soccer / Real Madrid v Granada : Match Odds     07-Jan-12 19:00     07-Jan-12 20:50     18.78
Soccer / Inter v Parma : Half Time     07-Jan-12 19:45     07-Jan-12 20:32     12.97
Soccer / Hapoel Beer Sheba v Hapoel Tel Aviv : Match Odds     07-Jan-12 18:00     07-Jan-12 19:53     1.91



3/01/2012     1.000,00
4/01/2012     1.056,00
5/01/2012     1.141,00
6/01/2012     1.227,00
7/01/2012     1.302,00
8/01/2012     1.423,00
9/01/2012     1.444,00



'night folks
By:
Cooee
When: 08 Jan 12 23:11
You can't win them all Nicholas!   Looks like a very well played week overall though. Well done.
By:
Trader11
When: 08 Jan 12 23:50
nicholas,

well done!

It would be nice to see the odds that you get involved and the stakes aswell.
I'm not totally sure of what you do, but I get the impression that you stake a lot to win a little and one bet gone wrong will wipe out a considerable chunk of the bank?

I understand you risk 1 to 4% of bank to win 0.01%
By:
the masked magician
When: 09 Jan 12 00:31
Yes I would,nt mind a full explanation of what you do , with the parameters (min max odds, and ammount staked , or current betting bank level.

Good luck .
By:
the masked magician
When: 09 Jan 12 00:31
Yes I would,nt mind a full explanation of what you do , with the parameters (min max odds, and ammount staked , or current betting bank level.

Good luck .
By:
nicholasdc
When: 09 Jan 12 09:16
well, on basketball i just stake a little bit depending on the risk, mostly between 2 and 20 €
for instance last night:

Portland Trail Blazers     1.15     20.00     Back     08-Jan-12 19:01     3.00
*Average odds: On Off     Back subtotal:     3.00
Lay subtotal:     0.00
Market subtotal:     3.00
Commission @ 4.67%:     0.14
Net Market Total:     2.86

on football i just look for opportunities. for instance benfica yesterday 0-1 up against leiria. the number 2 vs number 15. leiria scores 14 goals in 14 matches. it's pretty obvious that benfica will win, worst case scenario a draw. so i layed leiria for 4€ and a 55€ liability (which is actually a larger profit then i'm currently aiming for) and backed benfica for 3€ leaving a little green on the draw and above 4€ on benfica. they win 0-4.

Benfica     1.13     3.00     Back     08-Jan-12 18:57     0.39
Leiria     55.00     4.00     Lay     08-Jan-12 18:57     4.00
*Average odds: On Off     Back subtotal:     0.39
Lay subtotal:     4.00
Market subtotal:     4.39
Commission @ 4.56%:     0.20
Net Market Total:     4.19

even if i lose the 55€ then i can just look at my spreadheet and decide in how many steps i want to recover the loss (an idea from egner). for instace if i take 6 steps i will have to win a little bit more per market than i normally have to win. the other option, and that's the luxury i have at the moment, is just leaving the loss like that, because i'm well ahead of schedule, and just continue.

other things i do.. sometimes i lay crazy scores in the correct score market at higher stakes, but only once in a while to minimize the risk. i get some extra money staking a little bit more on a 1.01, mostly at the end of basketball games or football at 3-0, things like that.



the idea is to use as little of the bank as possible to make a minimal profit. i want to make a lot of minimal profits long term (5000 markets in about 6 months) turning the 1k starting bank into 30k. my spreadsheet starts like this:

Profit    Balance        % increase (risk)
    1.000,00       
1,00    1.001,00    0,10000
1,00    1.002,00    0,10000
1,00    1.003,00    0,10000
1,00    1.004,01    0,10000
1,00    1.005,01    0,10000
1,01    1.006,02    0,10000
1,01    1.007,02    0,10000
1,01    1.008,03    0,10000
1,01    1.009,04    0,10000
1,01    1.010,05    0,10000
1,01    1.011,06    0,10000
1,01    1.012,07    0,10000
1,01    1.013,08    0,10000
1,01    1.014,09    0,10000
1,01    1.015,11    0,10000
1,02    1.016,12    0,10000
1,02    1.017,14    0,10000
1,02    1.018,15    0,10000
1,02    1.019,17    0,10000
1,02    1.020,19    0,10000
1,02    1.021,21    0,10000
1,02    1.022,23    0,10000
1,02    1.023,25    0,10000
1,02    1.024,28    0,10000
1,02    1.025,30    0,10000
1,03    1.026,33    0,10000
1,03    1.027,35    0,10000
1,03    1.028,38    0,10000
1,03    1.029,41    0,10000
1,03    1.030,44    0,10000
1,03    1.031,47    0,10000
1,03    1.032,50    0,10000
1,03    1.033,53    0,10000
1,03    1.034,57    0,10000
1,03    1.035,60    0,10000
1,04    1.036,64    0,10000
1,04    1.037,67    0,10000
1,04    1.038,71    0,10000
1,04    1.039,75    0,10000
1,04    1.040,79    0,10000
1,04    1.041,83    0,10000
1,04    1.042,87    0,10000
1,04    1.043,92    0,10000
1,04    1.044,96    0,10000


after 1800 markets the profit per market reaches 6€ with a bank of 6k. after that i lower the risk with a cap of 5€ for the next 1200 markets, leaving a risk between 0,04 and 0,05% per market. my daily targets will never be more than 200€ and at the moment my daily target is around 25€. for instance when my daily target will be 100€ my bank will be at 10k, and when my daily target reaches 200€ my bank will be over 20k.

Profit  Balance         % increase (risk)
10,00    20.053,17    0,04989
10,00    20.063,17    0,04987
10,00    20.073,17    0,04984
10,00    20.083,17    0,04982
10,00    20.093,17    0,04979
10,00    20.103,17    0,04977
10,00    20.113,17    0,04974
10,00    20.123,17    0,04972
10,00    20.133,17    0,04969
10,00    20.143,17    0,04967
10,00    20.153,17    0,04964
10,00    20.163,17    0,04962
10,00    20.173,17    0,04960
10,00    20.183,17    0,04957
10,00    20.193,17    0,04955
10,00    20.203,17    0,04952
10,00    20.213,17    0,04950
10,00    20.223,17    0,04947
10,00    20.233,17    0,04945
10,00    20.243,17    0,04942
10,00    20.253,17    0,04940
10,00    20.263,17    0,04937
10,00    20.273,17    0,04935
10,00    20.283,17    0,04933
10,00    20.293,17    0,04930
10,00    20.303,17    0,04928
10,00    20.313,17    0,04925
10,00    20.323,17    0,04923
10,00    20.333,17    0,04920
10,00    20.343,17    0,04918
10,00    20.353,17    0,04916
10,00    20.363,17    0,04913
10,00    20.373,17    0,04911
10,00    20.383,17    0,04908
10,00    20.393,17    0,04906
10,00    20.403,17    0,04904
10,00    20.413,17    0,04901
10,00    20.423,17    0,04899
10,00    20.433,17    0,04896
10,00    20.443,17    0,04894
10,00    20.453,17    0,04892
10,00    20.463,17    0,04889
10,00    20.473,17    0,04887
10,00    20.483,17    0,04884
10,00    20.493,17    0,04882
10,00    20.503,17    0,04880
10,00    20.513,17    0,04877
10,00    20.523,17    0,04875
10,00    20.533,17    0,04873

i aim at minimum 20 markets per day which means that i have to make 10€ per market with a 20k bank to make my 200€ daily profit..

certainly sounds achievable to me. whether i have the discipline to do it, i hope so.. but using spreadsheets like this helps to keep eye on the end target. however, it's still very early to say i'm doing well. i'm at 126 markets of 5000, with a surplus of 315€. numbers suggest that i slow down now and minimize the risk, stick more to the spreadsheet.

so far for my super extensive explanation Happy
By:
greedkillsmybankagain
When: 09 Jan 12 11:28
who
is
egner
and
where
is
all
his
excellent
advice
By:
nicholasdc
When: 09 Jan 12 12:32
he posted his advice on the thread about making 60K a month
By:
666_v
When: 09 Jan 12 17:26
Well done so far Nicholas - you seem to have the discipline which is needed for this task.

Good luck in reaching your goal
By:
smithy91
When: 09 Jan 12 18:14
good luck mate intriging thread will deffo keep watchHappy
By:
the masked magician
When: 09 Jan 12 22:42
anyone able to put a link to egnats 60k thread.
By:
nicholasdc
When: 09 Jan 12 22:44
rough day i must say.. was watching some basketball this morning and decided to jump on the talk n text v petron blaze boosters game. talk n text was going pretty smooth so i backed the favourites for about 2%. when they got 20 points ahead in the second quarter i decided to risk a little more. it all went so easy and they were heading for a massive win i thought. liability was 250€. at that point i was 320€ ahead of schedule, if that can justify my bet in any way. however, they must be informed of my bets, 'cause suddenly pertron blaze came back by 10 points in a couple of minutes. the second half was mostly dominated by talk n text keeping petron blaze at 7 or 8 points, so i still had a good feeling. till it went wrong in the last two minutes and they got ahead and won by 2 points. talk n text got 2 more 3 point shots in the last 12 seconds, but it didn't matter.

that said i stopped for a minute and decided to just keep going and to just be happy with the 70€ surplus i still had. to be sure of not doing anything too stupid i withdrew my starting bank of 1000K. i was going well and my p/l looked like this at 21:40

Basketball: -€246.17 | Horse Racing: -€7.00 | Soccer: €86.15  Total P&L:  -€167.02

Basketball / Energa Czarni v Kotwica : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 17:30     09-Jan-12 19:14     -3.98
Basketball / Talk n Text v Petron Blaze Boosters : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 10:45     09-Jan-12 13:03     -250.00
Basketball / Khimki v VEF Riga : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 11:00     09-Jan-12 12:32     4.95
Basketball / Cleveland @ Portland : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 02:00     09-Jan-12 04:30     2.86

Horse Racing / Taun 9th Jan : 2m7f Hcap Chs     09-Jan-12 15:40     09-Jan-12 15:47     -7.00

Soccer / Cliftonville v Dungannon Swifts : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 19:45     09-Jan-12 21:39     7.87
Soccer / Arsenal v Leeds : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 19:45     09-Jan-12 21:36     29.62
Soccer / Maccabi Haifa v Bnei Sakhnin : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 18:50     09-Jan-12 20:44     0.96
Soccer / Fenerbahce v Gaziantepspor : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 18:00     09-Jan-12 20:00     -25.73
Soccer / Hapoel Jerusalem v Hapoel Ashkelon : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 17:00     09-Jan-12 18:51     10.59
Soccer / Arab Contractors v El Daklyeh : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 14:45     09-Jan-12 16:45     18.18
Soccer / Smouha v Ismaili : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 14:45     09-Jan-12 16:43     28.36
Soccer / Smouha v Ismaili : Half Time     09-Jan-12 14:45     09-Jan-12 15:36     2.20
Soccer / Galatasaray (Res) v Bucaspor (Res) : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 11:30     09-Jan-12 13:29     0.29
Soccer / Denizlispor (Res) v Karsiyaka (Res) : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 11:30     09-Jan-12 13:27     1.91
Soccer / Trabzonspor (Res) v Samsunspor (Res) : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 11:30     09-Jan-12 13:24     6.15
Soccer / Goztepe (Res) v Akhisar Belediye (Res) : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 11:30     09-Jan-12 13:22     1.43
Soccer / Karabukspor (Res) v Sivasspor (Res) : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 11:30     09-Jan-12 13:22     3.13
Soccer / Genclerbirligi (Res) v Eskisehirspor (Res) : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 11:30     09-Jan-12 13:21     1.19

not too bad after the loss at midday. then suddenly i saw my chance. braga was at 1-1 against beira-mar. beira mar had won 4 games in 14 and scored 12 times, including the goal against braga. i layed them for as much as i could, leaving about 25€ in my account to put on braga to win about 140€. only a couple of minutes later they scored and i layed off to win 129€ in the end. i know that it was stupid, but i felt like beira mar had almost no chance of winning and i had to take this opportunity.

Soccer / Beira-Mar v Braga : Match Odds     09-Jan-12 20:15     09-Jan-12 22:06     129.15

closing my first losing they at -38€, not too bad taking everything into account. i withdrew 208€ to my neteller account to leave 200€ in my bank to play with. of course my bank stays the same, just limiting myself to sticking to the spreadsheet to remain focussed. i had luck on my side in the end, so i hope to avoid these kind of situations and learn from my mistakes in the future.

'night folks
By:
nicholasdc
When: 09 Jan 12 22:44
*losing day

haha
By:
666_v
When: 09 Jan 12 23:30
You seemed to have wavered from your tactics and it let you down.  Then you risked again on Braga.

Keep on track - I want to see you complete this task
By:
Cooee
When: 09 Jan 12 23:37
Yeah, steer clear of those bets you know full well are risky. They often work out and make you feel good, but at some point they'll come back and smack you around the head. Successful long-term betting is about never putting too much at risk. Until getting to that point, everything you make is just a higher potential losing day waiting to happen.
By:
nicholasdc
When: 10 Jan 12 10:20
i know.. i'm glad it turned out fine and will keep it in mind.

thanks for the support guys!
By:
balky
When: 10 Jan 12 15:25
hi, so you bet at the end of the game and win small in short term, to win big in long term?
good luck
By:
nicholasdc
When: 10 Jan 12 16:11
not necessarily. i back, i lay, i trade, but try to keep the stake as low as possible. sometimes i stake a little more but as you can see from yesterday's results that doesn't always turn out well. you can afford to only use a minimum of your bank, because the target is only 0,1% or less. so you can easily play with 1% of your bank. you probably won't find it interesting winning 1 or 2€ per bet, but it adds up to, like you say, win big long term. cheers mate!
By:
greedkillsmybankagain
When: 10 Jan 12 16:21
but
u
risked
your
whole
bank
on
one
bet!!!!!!!!!!!!
By:
Trader11
When: 10 Jan 12 17:17
nicholas,

In your above explanation you said you layed Leiria after they went 0-1 down against Benfica. You layed them at 55 for $4, therefore your liability was $216 not $55 as you stated.
Did I miss something?
By:
nicholasdc
When: 11 Jan 12 08:20
yes trader you're right, i was wrong in my explanation. i try to stick to a 1-4% liability. depending on the risk i can stake a little more, but actually i shouldn't be doing that.


Samsung Thunders     *     1.15     27.00     Back           4.04
Samsung Thunders     *     1.09     18.20     Lay           -1.68

Ankaraspor (Res)     1.90     5.00     Back     10-Jan-12 12:07     -5.00
Ankaraspor (Res)     1.29     7.00     Lay     10-Jan-12 12:09     7.00

The Draw (HT)     1.27     5.00     Back     10-Jan-12 13:04     1.35
The Draw (HT)     1.07     5.00     Lay     10-Jan-12 13:11     -0.35

The Draw     1.43     5.00     Back     10-Jan-12 14:06     2.15
The Draw     1.18     5.00     Lay     10-Jan-12 14:06     -0.90

Tony O Shea     1.16     10.00     Back     10-Jan-12 21:35     1.60

Misr Lel (HT)     1.17     7.00     Back     10-Jan-12 17:46     1.19

greed, i did not risk my whole bank at any point and i never said that in one of my posts.. if you talk about the braga game, i risked all my profits. after my loss of 250€ on my basketball bet i withdrew my initial 1K to prevent myself from doing stupid things, like i wrote in my post. i played on with the 218 profits i had left after the loss to reach 280 and then indeed i took a chance by risking it all on braga to win a larger amount back of my previous loss. something i shouldn't have done but chances of losing were very small as braga could score any minute and beira-mar hardly had any shots on target in the whole game.

at the moment i'm keeping money in my neteller account to limit the money i play with, but my bank is still the same.

3/01/2012     1.000,00
4/01/2012     1.056,00
5/01/2012     1.141,00
6/01/2012     1.227,00
7/01/2012     1.302,00
8/01/2012     1.422,00
9/01/2012     1.444,00
10/01/2012     1.406,00
11/01/2012     1.456,00
By:
nicholasdc
When: 11 Jan 12 08:29
Basketball: €5.02 | Darts: €1.53 | Horse Racing: €14.71 | Soccer: €28.82  Total P&L:  €50.08

Basketball / Powerade Tigers v Rain or Shine : Match Odds     10-Jan-12 10:45     10-Jan-12 12:50     1.34
Basketball / KT Sonicboom v Etland Elephants : Match Odds     10-Jan-12 10:00     10-Jan-12 11:57     1.43
Basketball / Samsung Thunders v Mobis Phoebus : Match Odds     10-Jan-12 10:00     10-Jan-12 11:57     2.25

Darts / OShea v Montgomery : Match Odds     10-Jan-12 21:00     10-Jan-12 22:11     1.53

Horse Racing / Sthl 10th Jan : 6f Hcap     10-Jan-12 14:25     10-Jan-12 14:27     4.01
Horse Racing / Leic 10th Jan : 2m4f Sell Hrd     10-Jan-12 14:10     10-Jan-12 14:17     10.70

Soccer / Malaga v Real Madrid : Match Odds     10-Jan-12 21:00     10-Jan-12 22:49     2.86
Soccer / Lazio v Verona : Match Odds     10-Jan-12 20:00     10-Jan-12 21:50     6.46
Soccer / Caen v Marseille : Half Time     10-Jan-12 19:45     10-Jan-12 20:32     3.27
Soccer / Sheff Utd v Yeovil : Half Time     10-Jan-12 19:45     10-Jan-12 20:32     1.34
Soccer / El Gaish v Misr Lel : Half Time     10-Jan-12 17:15     10-Jan-12 18:04     1.14
Soccer / Portugal U20 v Slovakia U21 : Match Odds     10-Jan-12 16:00     10-Jan-12 17:57     1.91
Soccer / Bursaspor v Sanliurfaspor : Match Odds     10-Jan-12 16:00     10-Jan-12 17:50     1.72
Soccer / Al Masry v Al Ittihad : Match Odds     10-Jan-12 14:45     10-Jan-12 16:59     1.53
Soccer / H Kiryat Shmona v Hapoel Beer Sheva : Half Time     10-Jan-12 15:30     10-Jan-12 16:15     1.72
Soccer / Al Masry v Al Ittihad : Half Time     10-Jan-12 14:45     10-Jan-12 16:03     1.72
Soccer / Bani Sweif v Petrojet : Over/Under 1.5 Goals     10-Jan-12 12:30     10-Jan-12 14:23     1.10
Soccer / Bani Sweif v Petrojet : Match Odds     10-Jan-12 12:30     10-Jan-12 14:23     1.19
Soccer / Ankaraspor (Res) v Giresunspor (Res) : Match Odds     10-Jan-12 11:30     10-Jan-12 13:20     1.91
Soccer / Bani Sweif v Petrojet : Half Time     10-Jan-12 12:30     10-Jan-12 13:17     0.95
By:
greedkillsmybankagain
When: 11 Jan 12 12:01
i
do
apologise
By:
balky
When: 11 Jan 12 14:36
sorry can you be more especific on your bets, amounts, and time of the game, tks
By:
Angry Monkey
When: 11 Jan 12 15:19
^^^ lol
By:
nicholasdc
When: 11 Jan 12 22:57
Basketball: €27.34 | Darts: -€3.88 | Soccer: €196.05  Total P&L:  €219.51

Basketball / Dongbu Promy v KGC Pro : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 10:00     11-Jan-12 11:55     1.69
Basketball / Orions v LG Sakers : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 10:00     11-Jan-12 11:55     25.65

Darts / Norris v Winstanley : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 21:00     11-Jan-12 22:52     1.15
Darts / de Vos v Kist : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 19:45     11-Jan-12 21:27     -10.00
Darts / Hankey v Waites : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 18:30     11-Jan-12 20:08     4.97

Soccer / Sevilla v Valencia : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 21:00     11-Jan-12 22:52     52.35
Soccer / Sp Lisbon v Nacional : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 20:15     11-Jan-12 22:13     2.86
Soccer / Lyon v Lille : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 19:50     11-Jan-12 21:47     0.95
Soccer / Man City v Liverpool : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 19:45     11-Jan-12 21:40     5.35
Soccer / Panionios v Panathinaikos : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 19:00     11-Jan-12 20:57     10.03
Soccer / Besiktas v Gaziantep BB : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 18:00     11-Jan-12 19:54     0.68
Soccer / Zamalek v El Gounah : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 17:15     11-Jan-12 19:14     30.70
Soccer / Al Hilal Riyadh v Al Tawoon : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 16:55     11-Jan-12 18:46     1.43
Soccer / Udinese v Chievo : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 16:30     11-Jan-12 18:19     -18.16
Soccer / Mersin Idman Yurdu v Sivasspor : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 16:00     11-Jan-12 17:51     5.16
Soccer / Trabzonspor v Gungorenspor : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 15:30     11-Jan-12 17:23     3.44
Soccer / Viktoria Plzen v Spartak Mas Sezimovo Usti : Correct Score     11-Jan-12 14:30     11-Jan-12 16:09     -10.00
Soccer / Viktoria Plzen v Spartak Mas Sezimovo Usti : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 14:30     11-Jan-12 16:09     10.27
Soccer / Giannina v Asteras Tripolis : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 14:00     11-Jan-12 15:58     1.14
Soccer / Bohemians v Jablonec : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 14:00     11-Jan-12 15:37     12.03
Soccer / Karabukspor v Unyespor : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 13:00     11-Jan-12 14:54     3.63
Soccer / Kerkira v Doxa Dramas : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 12:00     11-Jan-12 13:52     10.31
Soccer / Karabukspor v Unyespor : Half Time     11-Jan-12 13:00     11-Jan-12 13:49     1.91
Soccer / Boluspor v Genclerbirligi : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 11:30     11-Jan-12 13:31     30.56
Soccer / Gaziosmanpasa v Antalyaspor : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 11:00     11-Jan-12 12:55     39.50
Soccer / Bugsasspor v Manisaspor : Match Odds     11-Jan-12 11:00     11-Jan-12 12:54     1.91

'night folks
By:
nicholasdc
When: 12 Jan 12 23:04
started today with 250€ in my account from my 1678€ bank to limit potential losses.
with a little help from sirly, football trading turned out really well.. thanks mate! best day so far.

Basketball: €10.76 | Darts: -€20.34 | Horse Racing: €1.91 | Soccer: €326.46  Total P&L:  €318.79

Basketball / AZS Koszalin v AZS Politechnika Warszawska : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 17:00     12-Jan-12 18:52     2.31
Basketball / Gospic Co (W) v Spartak Moscow Region (W) : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 15:15     12-Jan-12 17:34     2.31
Basketball / KCC Egis v Mobis Phoebus : Total Match Points     12-Jan-12 10:00     12-Jan-12 11:46     2.05
Basketball / KCC Egis v Mobis Phoebus : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 10:00     12-Jan-12 11:46     3.53
Basketball / Samsung Thunders v KT Sonicboom : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 10:00     12-Jan-12 11:44     15.79
Basketball / Miami @ LA Clippers : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 03:35     12-Jan-12 06:47     -10.00
Basketball / New Jersey @ Denver : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 02:05     12-Jan-12 04:19     2.48
Basketball / Washington @ Chicago : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 01:05     12-Jan-12 03:21     2.29
Basketball / Philadelphia @ New York : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 00:35     12-Jan-12 03:06     -10.00

Darts / Adams v O'Shea : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 20:00     12-Jan-12 22:12     -20.34

Horse Racing / Catt 12th Jan : 2m Hcap Chs     12-Jan-12 15:15     12-Jan-12 15:19     1.91

Soccer / Osasuna v Barcelona : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 21:00     12-Jan-12 22:47     -35.82
Soccer / Fram v IR Reykjavik : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 21:00     12-Jan-12 22:46     -5.00
Soccer / Academica v Oliveirense : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 20:15     12-Jan-12 22:14     121.11
Soccer / Napoli v Cesena : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 20:00     12-Jan-12 21:54     22.70
Soccer / Alcala v Comarca de Nijar : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 19:30     12-Jan-12 21:25     -12.00
Soccer / Neath v Port Talbot : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 19:30     12-Jan-12 21:18     87.96
Soccer / Ath Bilbao v Albacete : Correct Score     12-Jan-12 19:00     12-Jan-12 20:52     8.17
Soccer / Ath Bilbao v Albacete : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 19:00     12-Jan-12 20:50     4.97
Soccer / Vikingur Reykjavik v Leiknir Reykjavik : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 19:00     12-Jan-12 20:47     26.26
Soccer / Fenerbahce v Konya Sekerspor : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 18:30     12-Jan-12 20:18     5.63
Soccer / Fenerbahce v Konya Sekerspor : Correct Score     12-Jan-12 18:30     12-Jan-12 20:13     52.33
Soccer / Atromitos v Aris Thes. : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 18:00     12-Jan-12 19:56     16.43
Soccer / Al Ittihad v Al Ettifaq : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 16:55     12-Jan-12 18:48     2.11
Soccer / Al Arabi v Al Ahli (Doha) : Half Time     12-Jan-12 15:15     12-Jan-12 16:06     1.91
Soccer / Al Khuraitiat v Al Sadd : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 13:15     12-Jan-12 15:10     5.12
Soccer / Al Nasr v Al Faisaly : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 12:25     12-Jan-12 14:20     2.90
Soccer / Rizespor v Gaziantepspor : Match Odds     12-Jan-12 11:00     12-Jan-12 12:56     21.68


3/01/2012     1.000,00
4/01/2012     1.056,00
5/01/2012     1.141,00
6/01/2012     1.227,00
7/01/2012     1.302,00
8/01/2012     1.422,00
9/01/2012     1.444,00
10/01/2012     1.406,00
11/01/2012     1.456,00
12/01/2012     1.676,00
13/01/2012     1.996,00


seems like i doubled my bank after 12 days. i guess this means that a bad day to put my feet on the ground again can't be far away.
will try to use the same trading tactics on football in the coming days but take it a bit more easy. i start with 250 in my account to keep focussed and to limit my daily loss. let's see where it takes me tomorrow.

'night fellas
By:
Cooee
When: 12 Jan 12 23:18
Nicely done again Nicholas. Taking money out of your account as you go is a shrewd move.
By:
sirly
When: 13 Jan 12 00:14
nice move mate. keep it up and goodluck. slow and steady wins the raceHappy
By:
frimpong
When: 13 Jan 12 00:16
I have to side with Lordb here although I agree ignoring works better

wtf?

I have to side with Lordb here although I agree ignoring works better

i tend to side with acquiesce Catflap. i tend to think you should have a nignt on the painkillers and red wine.

HTH
By:
frimpong
When: 13 Jan 12 00:18
oops top quote bu Bobbin shud be

leads me to the conclusion that you should reserve your favourite 'netted' photo for yourself.

wtf
By:
Cooee
When: 13 Jan 12 00:30
You having a catchup session Pongo?
By:
frimpong
When: 13 Jan 12 00:36
haha yeah. whats this netted photo stuff?
By:
Cooee
When: 13 Jan 12 00:40
Just a running 'joke' I was having with Acquiesce on another thread.  (And no, I'm not digging out the thread for you!)
By:
nicholasdc
When: 13 Jan 12 08:24
hi paulme, it took you a while to get here, i was offended
By:
nicholasdc
When: 16 Jan 12 08:28
rough weekend.. lots of ups and downs, good trades, bad trades, overstaking, some drunk bets. too bad i lost too big yesterday evening on arsenal. i had to go out unexpectedly at half time and thought i'd lay swansea to win some on the draw and some more on arsenal after i backed arsenal prematch. didn't expect to see the 3-2 when i got home. 160€ in 3 days is not too bad. 420€ without arsenal would've been better though.

think i'll change tactics and just try to hit the daily targets from now on. current daily targets are around 45€ and will slowly increase (as the target period is still 6 months). average daily profit so far has been 90€. i withdrew all profits to leave 200€ in my account again. wish me luck.

Basketball: €114.18 | Soccer: €46.74  Total P&L:  €160.92

Basketball / Petron Blaze v Talk n Text : Match Odds     13-Jan-12 11:30     13-Jan-12 16:11     55.39
Basketball / Etland Elephants v Dongbu Promy : Match Odds     13-Jan-12 10:00     13-Jan-12 12:08     0.48
Basketball / KGC Pro v Orions : Match Odds     13-Jan-12 10:00     13-Jan-12 12:07     -7.78
Basketball / Rain Or Shine v Powerade Tigers : Match Odds     13-Jan-12 09:15     13-Jan-12 11:37     66.09

Soccer / Marseille v Lille : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 20:00     15-Jan-12 21:58     2.14
Soccer / AC Milan v Inter : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 19:45     15-Jan-12 21:43     63.20
Soccer / Zulte-Waregem v Genk : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 17:00     15-Jan-12 18:56     4.63
Soccer / Swansea v Arsenal : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 16:00     15-Jan-12 17:55     -266.00
Soccer / PAOK v Ergotelis : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 15:15     15-Jan-12 17:06     46.32
Soccer / Osasuna v Santander : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 15:00     15-Jan-12 16:49     -62.00
Soccer / Chievo v Palermo : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 14:00     15-Jan-12 15:52     -49.50
Soccer / Genoa v Udinese : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 14:00     15-Jan-12 15:52     101.12
Soccer / Anderlecht v Club Brugge : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 13:30     15-Jan-12 15:25     40.59
Soccer / Tienen v Standaard Wetteren : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 13:30     15-Jan-12 15:24     12.87
Soccer / Lazio v Atalanta : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 11:30     15-Jan-12 13:26     5.39
Soccer / Sivasspor v Ankaragucu : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 11:00     15-Jan-12 12:55     -6.00
Soccer / Huesca v Deportivo : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 11:00     15-Jan-12 12:54     25.22
Soccer / Gijon B v R Madrid B : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 11:00     15-Jan-12 12:52     0.06
Soccer / Orduspor v Istanbul BB : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 11:00     15-Jan-12 12:51     -65.00
Soccer / Atl Madrid v Villarreal : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 11:00     15-Jan-12 12:51     -80.60
Soccer / Sevilla Atl. v Ceuta : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 10:30     15-Jan-12 12:23     2.48
Soccer / Bohemians 1905 v Dynamo Ceske Budejovice : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 10:00     15-Jan-12 11:38     -10.00
Soccer / Atlante v Santos Laguna : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 03:00     15-Jan-12 04:51     100.01
Soccer / Atlas v Cruz Azul : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 02:45     15-Jan-12 04:38     0.76
Soccer / Tijuana v Monterrey : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 02:00     15-Jan-12 03:54     152.90
Soccer / Atlas v Cruz Azul : Half Time     15-Jan-12 02:45     15-Jan-12 03:32     2.58
Soccer / River Plate v Estudiantes : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 01:10     15-Jan-12 03:02     2.92
Soccer / Pachuca v Puebla : Match Odds     15-Jan-12 01:00     15-Jan-12 02:58     51.76
Soccer / Tours v Sedan : Match Odds     14-Jan-12 13:30     14-Jan-12 15:24     -29.25
Soccer / Istres v Monaco : Match Odds     14-Jan-12 13:30     14-Jan-12 15:19     -61.20
Soccer / Pune FC v East Bengal : Match Odds     14-Jan-12 13:00     14-Jan-12 15:06     2.67
Soccer / St Johnstone v Rangers : Match Odds     14-Jan-12 12:30     14-Jan-12 14:23     56.77
Soccer / Dukla Praha v Spartak MAS Sezimovo Usti : Match Odds     14-Jan-12 12:00     14-Jan-12 13:38     1.90


3/01/2012    1000
4/01/2012    1057
5/01/2012    1142
6/01/2012    1229
7/01/2012    1304
8/01/2012    1425
9/01/2012    1446
10/01/2012    1409
11/01/2012    1459
12/01/2012    1678
13/01/2012    1997
14/01/2012    2111
15/01/2012    2082
16/01/2012    2158
By:
666_v
When: 16 Jan 12 13:48
If you stick to your plan you can do this - over staking, chasing and drunk bets will make you fail.

Take your time and don't let greed make you lose
By:
nicholasdc
When: 17 Jan 12 08:27
thanks for your concern mate. i know you're right. i need to refocus that's for sure
By:
Moghul
When: 17 Jan 12 17:06
Hat tip Nicholas, very well done so far. Keep it up and bring it to the end man.

I also like the idea of coming forward slowly.

Anyway, I got a few questions and remarks, if you don't mind:

You state your strategy is to stake just 1-4% of your bank. But then in your P&L-sheet you list liabilities far bigger then this. Also among this micro-wins there is quite a couple of relatively big wins, which would demand fairly high stakes. So, what exactly is your rule for staking.

Also, running down your daily P&Ls, your strategy seems simply to be, to win more than you lose, sometimes with small and sometimes with relatively high profits. But you seem to be quite good in chosing the games and betting. Is this all of your secret?

Finally just a point to ponder about: isn't your approach to have a steady goal pure nonsense in the end? The positive aspect certainly is, that it calms you down in your current situation as you are far beyond your initial goal. So you don't feel the urgency to bet, if you feel to have found a value-bet and you don't have to stake too high. But on the flip-side, doesn't that put you under unneccessary pressure to bet, even if you don't find value-bets? So my approach would simply be to bet whenever I see a good a opportunity and to leave it out, if the risk is too high, thus having a slow, but steady growth of the bank.

Just a few thoughts though ...

Cheers mate
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