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Johnny The Guesser
30 Dec 11 13:43
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If 21m at 29 was up shortly after the start and still there at the end, then how come bets were matched at 21?

Did the bot skim the 8 points from people willing to back at 21?
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Report Beefie • December 30, 2011 2:15 PM GMT
Very good point!

My understanding is that the cross-matcher is supposed to give best execution, which is clearly not the case here.
Report TheVis • December 30, 2011 2:17 PM GMT
Surely the 21 was matched as the 29 appeared ie it took all prices on the way up and nothing was matched at less than 29 afterwards?
Report greedkillsmybankagain • December 30, 2011 2:18 PM GMT
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Report Beefie • December 30, 2011 2:29 PM GMT
The Vis

The 21 was matched well after the 29.00 went up.  There is no doubt about that.  The times can be cross referenced against several sources, the declared fact that the 29.00 went up about a minute into the race, and the fact the times given by Betfair for the matches at 29.00 are after the Youtube video (which starts at about 14:04:18) shows the 29.00 was up there.
Report ballabriggs • December 30, 2011 2:39 PM GMT
Always thought it was 1.01 the OP worked for Betfair.  However, if the cross matching bot really is jumping down to below the highest available price, skimming off more money for Betfair, that would be a major scandal.
Report Beefie • December 30, 2011 2:48 PM GMT
It's hard to think of an explanation - other than the cross matcher is not providing best execution.

You're right ballabriggs - failing any other explanation this is a real scandal in the making.
Report Biscar Two from a mile back • December 30, 2011 3:11 PM GMT
in e-mails betfair have sent to customers who had bets voided in the race it says bets were matched at 21 but when I checked my account today it says bet matched at 29.I dont know if the e-mail is incorrect or if they have changed these bets at a later date.

I have received an e-mail at 3-03 from betfair saying customers will be informed shortly regarding this matter......
Report The Magician (100) • December 30, 2011 3:20 PM GMT
I DONT KNOW FOR SURE....

but suspect that the voiding email is displaying the price they asked for on thier bet not the matched price...

probably just as simple as that....



Other explinations for this are very complex - so until it is show that these where MATCHED prices and not REQUESTED prices...

I would not run away with ideas....

if these bets are MATCHED PRICES and not fabricated then, there is a issue to look at
Report The Magician (100) • December 30, 2011 3:21 PM GMT
so the guy was not really matched at 21.... but 29

the email is misleading... nothing more sinister ( I assume)
Report Beefie • December 30, 2011 3:23 PM GMT
Biscar

To the Magician's point - do you remember how you placed the bet?  Did you request a lower price?
Report TheVis • December 30, 2011 3:36 PM GMT
OK in that case if 21 was genuinely being matched with 29 showing then BF and their in-running matcher have got some serious questions to answer as an aside to the main case.
Report The Magician (100) • December 30, 2011 3:47 PM GMT
seems a mislabelled email.... not a incorrectly matched bet....

as if they dont have enough problems, they could get thier email eaders correct.... FFS
Report The Magician (100) • December 30, 2011 3:47 PM GMT
but myth debunked...
Report ballabriggs • December 30, 2011 4:00 PM GMT
If the OP does indeed work for Betfair, this does seem a particularly bizarre thread to start.
Report Eddie the eagle • December 31, 2011 4:10 PM GMT
Someone posted this on hrse racing forum shortly after the race , so I guess those prices showing must have been the asking price while the matched price was 29 :


Below was the in-running market on Voler le Vedette
2.38 €2,569
2.40 €5 €4,485
2.42 €9,233
2.44 €16,522
2.46 €21,297
2.48 €14,590
2.50 €8 €12,254
2.52 €7,050
2.54 €11,721
2.56 €13,345
2.58 €13,782
2.60 €4,254
2.62 €3,968
2.64 €2,107
2.66 €2,041
2.68 €2 €1,343
2.70 €2,986
2.72 €1,618
2.74 €4,930
2.76 €5,332
2.78 €6,410
2.80 €10 €6,890
2.82 €8,427
2.84 €13,638
2.86 €11,240
2.88 €9,842
2.90 €5,063
2.92 €3,161
2.94 €2,761
2.96 €2,423 €3,440 €4,915
2.98 €2,467
3.00 €240 €10,192
3.05 €5,126
3.10 €737
3.15 €65
3.25 €5
3.40 €8
3.45 €8
3.55 €2
3.60 €10
3.65 €10
3.70 €12
3.80 €26
3.85 €3
3.90 €28
4.00 €145
4.10 €9
4.20 €31
4.30 €10
4.40 €13
4.50 €23
4.60 €80
4.70 €161
4.90 €33
5.00 €45
5.10 €10
5.20 €4
5.30 €5
5.90 €3
6.00 €49
6.20 €10
6.60 €3 €1
6.80 €9
7.00 €47
7.20 €51
8.00 €46
9.00 €3
9.40 €2
10.00 €2
10.50 €1
11.00 €17
11.50 €8
12.00 €2
13.00 €5
15.00 €0
16.00 €3
17.50 €0
18.50 €0
19.50 €1
20.00 €5
22.00 €2
25.00 €0
26.00 €19
27.00 €6
29.00 €1,968,706
30.00 €1,457
32.00 €1,014
34.00 €80
36.00 €23
38.00 €3
44.00 €13
46.00 €4
48.00 €53
60.00 €0
65.00 €0
70.00 €8
75.00 €2
80.00 €2
85.00 €1
90.00 €2
140.00 €1
150.00 €2
160.00 €1
180.00 €1
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