Cooee- So PALESTINIANS have no "right" to a share in land then ....if we all leave poor ISRAEL alone?

ISRAEL has been left alone to get on with its numerous land grabbing acts and invading surrounding countries ............

The world cannot afford to leave such "EYE FOR EYE" eeejjjjiiiittttssssss alone to continue their intransigent attitude re PALESTINIANS.......or leave them alone to continue their "crusade" of setting up a war v IRAN.........

Land grabs? Leaving aside the original 'granting of land' to the Israelis (which I appreciate is a bit of a tricky one, even though the Israelis had themselves been driven out of that land by force centuries earlier), their subsequent land grabs have almost all come as the result of war - and most of these wars were started when various other countries in the Middle East joined forces to try and obliterate Israel.

They have *never* been left alone. Every day Ahmadinejad or some other leader in the area makes a comment about Israel.  It's very nice and fluffy for you out there in pretty Scotland, but the Israelis live every day knowing their neighbours detest them and want them dead. The Israelis are certainly questionable in some of their actions, but they're under a huge amount of pressure every day, and a lot of what comes out of the Middle East can't be taken at face value.

DFC, if you think that the situation with Israel would really be resolved if they strike a deal with the Palestinians, I'm afraid you're sadly mistaken. The 'Israel' situation isn't about Palestinians. It never has been.

OK Cooee ..........what is the solution or catalyst to a solution to the PALESTINE / ISRAEL "problem"?

Land that was mostly neglected and poorly developed before the Israelis took it over. Within five years of the Israelis setting foot, only Egypt was seeing a larger influx of non-Jewish people from within the Middle East. That's because Muslims/Arabs knew the Israelis were laying down the groundwork for something that was relatively prosperous. The land was poorly tended before. Since then it's been properly developed and cultivated - despite having to contend with the hostility of their neighbours.  I'm not saying that's right, but then a decent chunk of the Muslim explosion across the Middle East wasn't exactly entered into voluntarily...

Israel wants a country populated by Jewish people (not Palestinians). I don't see why they shouldn't have the right to one country in the world where that's the case? If the rest of the Middle East left them to it, they wouldn't have any problems with Israel.

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Chairman Ros-Lehtinen Bills to Expand and Strengthen U.S. sanctions on Iran Pass House

Chairman Ros-Lehtinen speaks in favor of two bills she authored to expand and strengthen U.S. sanctions on the Iranian regime. The Iran Threat Reduction Act (H.R. 1905) closes loopholes in existing sanctions against Iran's energy and financial sectors, sanctions Iranian regime officials, and expands sanctions against those who help rogue regimes expand their dangerous weapons programs. The Iran, North Korea, and Syria Nonproliferation Modernization and Reform Act (H.R. 2105) seeks to cut-off the supply networks to Iran, Syria, and North Korea.
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Well there is a surprise on who proposes such a BILL..............

This is how ACTIVE ISRAEL supporters in USA politics operate.............

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Ros-Lehtinen: Congress Must Keep Leveraging U.S. Funding to Stop Palestinian Statehood Scheme at UN

(WASHINGTON) – U.S. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said today that the U.S. must preserve and strengthen existing U.S. law requiring a cutoff of U.S. funding to any UN agency that grants membership to “Palestine.” The U.S. ceased financial contributions to the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) on October 31, 2011 after that body admitted “Palestine” as a member. According to reports, Palestinian leaders plan to continue seeking membership or other upgraded status at other UN bodies. Statement by Ros-Lehtinen:

“As the Palestinian leadership continues their destructive statehood scheme at the UN, the U.S. must act decisively to stop this ruse. Other than our Security Council veto, the only roadblock in Ramallah’s way is that by law, the U.S. must cut off funding to any UN body that grants membership to ‘Palestine.’

“The Administration wants Congress to gut U.S. law and let the Administration fund UN bodies that support the Palestinian statehood scheme. But the Administration’s diplomatic efforts have failed to seriously impede the scheme; in contrast, leveraging our funding to the UN has succeeded, as others see that we mean business and that they can’t take reckless, anti-Israel actions with impunity. If we abandon this strategy now, we would telegraph an ‘all clear’ for UN bodies to grant de facto recognition of a Palestinian state.

“We must further strengthen U.S. law to cut off funding to any UN body that not only grants membership to ‘Palestine,’ but even grants some other upgraded status to Ramallah. That is how to stop this dangerous Palestinian scheme in its tracks. Any maneuvers to undercut current law will serve to pave the way forward for the Palestinians.”

NOTE: Ros-Lehtinen is the author of the United Nations Transparency, Accountability, and Reform Act (H.R. 2829), which seeks to change the way in which the UN is funded in order to give member-states control over what their contributions pay for at the UN, as well as leverage to press for real UN reform. The bill contains a provision that reinforces and strengthens current U.S. law by cutting off U.S. funding to any UN entity which grants membership or any other upgraded status to the Palestinian mission.

I suspect the war-mongers in USA ae rubbing their bloody hands again.......as we move closer and closer to "the end of world scenario"...............

She married Florida State Representative Dexter Lehtinen, on June 9, 1984, while she was serving in the Florida Legislature. They have two children, Rodrigo Lehtinen (born Amanda Michelle) and Patricia Marie. She is also the step-mother to Katherine and Douglas Lehtinen.

Project Vote Smart lists Ros-Lehtinen as Episcopalian.[2] Ros-Lehtinen's maternal grandparents were Sephardic Jews from Turkey who had been active in Cuba's Jewish community.[43] Her mother later converted to Catholicism.[43]

Howard Berman

Representative Howard Berman has served the 28th District of California since 1982. He is well known for his bipartisan efforts, working with Republicans on issues such as a bill authorizing embargoes on nations that support terrorism and amendments to the False Claims Act. Berman is a leading advocate of copyright interests and intellectual property in the House. He is also a strong supporter of Israel and is the chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs. Berman also serves as the vice chair of the Judiciary Committee. Berman resides in Los Angeles with his wife, Janis Gail Berman. They have two daughters, Brinley and Lindsey.

USA appears not be aware that there are serious "CONFLICT OF INTEREST" on their FOREIGN AFFAIRS committee with regards to how they conduct their FOREIGN AFFAIRS policies......

How can you get any unbiased policies from such a committee with regards to ISRAEL?

Saladin was a great Muslim leader. His real name was Salah al-Din Yusuf. He united and lead the Muslim world and in 1187, he recaptured Jerusalem for the Muslims after defeating the King of Jerusalem at the Battle of Hattin near the Lake of Galilee. When his soldiers entered the city of Jerusalem, they were not allowed to kill civilians, rob people or damage the city. The more successful Saladin was, the more he was seen by the Muslims as being their natural leader.

Saladin - painted a number of years after his death

The Christians of western Europe were stunned by the success of Saladin. The pope, Gregory VIII, ordered another crusade immediately to regain the Holy City for the Christians. This was the start of the Third Crusade. It was led by Richard I (Richard the Lionheart), Emperor Frederick Barbarossa of Germany and King Philip II of France. These were possibly the three most important men in western Europe - such was the importance of this crusade. It was to last from 1189 to 1192.

Frederick was drowned on his march across Europe. He was 70 years of age and his death shocked his army and only a small part of it continued to the Middle East.

Richard, Philip and their men travelled by boat. They stopped their journey in modern day Sicily. In March 1191, Philip then sailed to the port of Acre which was controlled by the Muslims. This was an important port to capture for the Christians as it would allow them to easily land their ships and it was also the nearest big port to Jerusalem. Acre was besieged. Philip's men were joined by Richard's.

He had captured Cyprus first before moving on to Acre. The port could not cope against such a force and in July 1191, it fell to the Christians. However, the siege had had its impact on Philip - he was exhausted and left for France. Richard was left by himself. While in control of Acre, the Christians massacred 2000 Muslim soldiers who they had captured. Saladin had agreed to pay a ransom for them but somehow there was a breakdown in the  process of payment and Richard ordered their execution.

Richard was determined to get to Jerusalem and he was prepared to take on Saladin. The march south to Jerusalem was very difficult. The Crusaders kept as near to the coast as possible to allow ships to supply them. It was also slightly cooler with a coastal breeze. Regardless of this, the Christians suffered badly from the heat and lack of fresh water. At night when the Crusaders tried to rest, they were plagued by tarantulas. Their bites were poisonous and very painful.

Both sides fought at the Battle of Arsur in September 1191. Richard won but he delayed his attack on Jerusalem as he knew that his army needed to rest. He spent the winter of 1191 to 1192 in Jaffa where his army regained its strength. Richard marched on Jerusalem in June 1192. 

However, by now even Richard the Lionheart was suffering. He had a fever and appealed to his enemy Saladin to send him fresh water and fresh fruit. Saladin did just this - sending frozen snow to the Crusaders to be used as water and fresh fruit. Why would Saladin do this?

There are two reasons. First, Saladin was a strict Muslim. One of the main beliefs of Islam  is that Muslims should help those in need. Secondly, Saladin could send his men into Richard's camp with the supplies and spy on what he had in terms of soldiers, equipment etc.

What they found was that Richard only had 2,000 fit soldiers and 50 fit knights to use in battle. With such a small force, Richard could not hope to take Jerusalem even though he got near enough to see the Holy City. Richard organised a truce with Saladin - pilgrims from the west would once again be allowed to visit Jerusalem without being troubled by the Muslims. Neither Richard or Saladin particularly liked the truce but both sides were worn out and in October 1192, Richard sailed for western Europe never to return to the Holy Land.

However, for Richard the adventure was not over. On his journey back to England, his ship got wrecked in a storm. He found that he had to travel through Austria. This country was owned by a sworn enemy of Richard - Duke Leopold of Austria. Leopold had originally been a leading member of the Third Crusade but he had been ridiculed by Richard who did nothing to stop his men making fun out of Leopold. They called him "the sponge" because he drank so much and was drunk too often! Leopold had lost a lot of prestige and now he had a chance to avenge himself. Richard was betrayed to Leopold who held him captive for two years until a ransom was paid for him. Richard arrived home in 1194.

Richard was known as the "Lionheart" by his people. Even the Muslims praised him. The Muslim writer Baha wrote about Richard while the Third Crusade was going on:

    "......a very powerful man of great courage........a king of wisdom, courage and energy.....brave and clever."
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If you recognise that ISRAEL is wanting a racist set up...............then surely such a set up is a "crazy" target....

RELIGION makes men do some "crazy" things and their are many "crazy" people who hide under the umbrella of their religion  ............believing they have a right to kill people who hold different beliefs to them.

ISRAEL is paranoid in their manic behaviour re IRAN..........as are the zealots in their dream of monotheism......................

Monotheism is characteristic of numerous religions, including the Baha'i Faith, Christianity, Druzism, Hinduism,[2] Islam, Judaism, Samaritanism, Sikhism and Zoroastrianism............................and obviously they are all "crazy" !

Anyway .....GL with your bets......hope you get paid out BEFORE the end of world Cooee

G M the nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Can I get back to my betting now?
I thought bf put up the politics forum so people could all talk sh!t in there.

Oh, and thanks to the tvvats who a) complained about and b) deleted my last post, despite the fact that it broke no rules whatsoever. The truth hurts, doesnt it?

Sorry to appear a little stupid but could someone give me a definition of the word facist as in facist state. . .