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tobermory
09 Sep 11 15:20
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Thread on the horse forum a couple of months ago, started by Duketurtle i believe, saying he had been closed own by them, about 25 others replied to say the same had happened to them within the previous couple of weeks. Though i had an account with them i thought nothing of it, as had not used it for months, and had hardly made much money with it. Now just checking the e mail account i used for VC i see i had the same email at that time:

We are contacting you today to advise that a business decision has been taken by our Senior Traders and I must inform you that betting Account Number 3****** has now been closed and no further business may be executed on your behalf.

The balance of this Account now stands at zero.

As explained in our Terms and Conditions, a Traders decision is final and will not be over turned.



Of course you can't access your account history at all once this happens, but checking bank statements i was just over £50 in profit with them .Account was opened last year.

Looking it up there are threads on many betting fora over the last couple of months, they must have closed thousands in a mass cull of everyone who wasn't losing.Bookies have said previously this sort of thing is selective and related to betting patterns and Arbing or how much and consistently the customer was taking them for. Now it seems anyone who makes even a penny profit to begin with, if they show no signs of giving it back in the next 6 months , will be shut down.
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Report JamesBlakesHugeArse September 9, 2011 3:36 PM BST
I had a losing account closed last week, taking my total of closed accounts to date up to 9 - there is one that remains open though which is currently in profit but I am awaiting the email of doom.

The answer to your question though is, I suspect, yes.
Report the silverback September 9, 2011 5:14 PM BST
SJ had a massive purge too.
Report CLYDEBANK29 September 9, 2011 5:51 PM BST
one of the reasons why Bertfair introduced their recent variation of premium charges imo.
Report tonymack September 9, 2011 7:03 PM BST
Closed my account down. Only ever bet in fivers just to get my Racing channel subscription money each month. Got some front telling us he is the peoples bookmaker with those stupid adverts
Report TheInvestor2 September 9, 2011 10:04 PM BST
We wish to inform you that we will be changing the way we administer Special Offers to your sports betting account. As you are aware, Boilwarts.com provides extra value for its customers through regular promotional offers such as Cashback Specials, Best Price Guaranteed and Free Bets.

After a review of your account we have decided that it will no longer benefit from these and other gestures classified as ‘special offers’. Accordingly, we must inform you that this change is effective from 10th September 20


from boilwarts.

Thanks for that, although seeing as you limited me to 50p bets, I don't think this email was necessary.
Report man of many moods September 10, 2011 10:20 AM BST
I just checked my VC account.
It still seems to be open although the balance is 0.00, which is how I left it in 2006 - the last time I used it.
I can't remember now why I stopped using it. I know they pissed me off about something. I think it might have been a poker promotion of some sort which I'd taken them up on and the site crashed just as I'd started using it which somehow cancelled my participation in the promotion and they wouldn't reinstate it. Something along those lines anyway.
Report racingguru September 11, 2011 1:01 AM BST
SJ, Boils and Lad seem the worst to me --- sorry forgot 5ky and SpBet who don't take bets to my knowledge.
Report bf_fananatic September 11, 2011 2:03 AM BST
Bookmakers are purley parasites that prey on mug gamblers as opposed to exchanges that prey on succeful ones[;)]
Report Wicked Whisper September 11, 2011 1:02 PM BST
I'm still going strong on Lads and Chandler despite consistently winning. I'm no mug, not just getting lucky. I'm closed on SJ and restricted everywhere else but those two are fine.
Report zipper September 11, 2011 4:18 PM BST
Wise up guys.... since time  began .. bookies dont want anything to do with winners ... mugs can have a bonus.. tommos tips are welcome  get the drift ..
Report the silverback September 11, 2011 4:47 PM BST
Lads aren't bad at all. They do it sport by sport (or have for me). I'm effectively shut on 2 or 3 sports but they are very accommodating on others. Also, my account was dormant for a good few years but when I used it again I'm almost certain some limits had been reset.

Others aren't always as bad as people make out. Probably because people like to make out they're big winners when they're not. Of course some are terrible but I've had fairly good runs over the years on Crls, 366, PP and Boyles. My latest Tote account is reasonable enough for my purposes so far too. Sky actually used to be okayish but have changed policy now. SJ actually used to be the best believe it or not.

As always, depends on what you bet and how you bet it. One problem most people make is they can't resist having "red flag" bets. You've got to pass on good bets sometimes. And I've said it before,occasionally a firm does accommodate you to a level to make it worthwhile for both parties.

I'm not defending the majority of bookies. But if you play the game relatively fairly you've got a better chance with some.
Report Wicked Whisper September 11, 2011 5:12 PM BST
Nice summary silverback, I'm with you.
Report nairda September 11, 2011 6:17 PM BST
Bookmakers are purley parasites that prey on mug gamblers as opposed to exchanges that prey on succeful ones

betfair is preying on mug (fish) punters...betfair need to kiil off smart punters , so that betfair eat on the fish (mug) punters them self
Report GAZO September 11, 2011 6:40 PM BST
VC stopped me having b.o.g last week and i have only had 10 bets with them over the last two weeks and sportingbet i closed myself last week when i only wanted £20 on a 2/1 and they would only let me have £1.99
Report bf_fananatic September 11, 2011 9:04 PM BST
I think that bookmakers generally will never be able to match exchanges for the kind of
service that exchanges can provide, both exchanges do have limitations for pro punters now for different reasons but there should be better competition in say a couple of years time so then there will be a true fight to provide the best exchange service all round, and if there is capitulation to lower to the standards of a bookmaker this will fall straight into the hands of the exchange that keeps the model as pure and intack as possible, failure by both exchanges would hand the future monoploy to any new exchanges but again this would take ages to mature as exchanges do take ages to build up there liquidity, interestigly I wonder if there is a way to create a new type of exchange that can provide liquidity without risk via some mechanism and only take a comission thus short-cutting the slow initial growth that exchanges suffer from, in fact this I feel would make for the best type of model and would probably if engineered correctly reign supreame.
Report bf_fananatic September 11, 2011 9:04 PM BST
I think that bookmakers generally will never be able to match exchanges for the kind of
service that exchanges can provide, both exchanges do have limitations for pro punters now for different reasons but there should be better competition in say a couple of years time so then there will be a true fight to provide the best exchange service all round, and if there is capitulation to lower to the standards of a bookmaker this will fall straight into the hands of the exchange that keeps the model as pure and intack as possible, failure by both exchanges would hand the future monoploy to any new exchanges but again this would take ages to mature as exchanges do take ages to build up there liquidity, interestigly I wonder if there is a way to create a new type of exchange that can provide liquidity without risk via some mechanism and only take a comission thus short-cutting the slow initial growth that exchanges suffer from, in fact this I feel would make for the best type of model and would probably if engineered correctly reign supreame.
Report aljohnson September 11, 2011 11:33 PM BST
I had my account closed after one bet. It was a loser £1k on an 8/11 on a test match. They would not give an explanation other that it was the senior traders decision.
Report bf_fananatic September 12, 2011 10:47 PM BST
aljohnson, They probably closed your account because they reached there expected target for profit from average customer and didn't want you hanging around to get a winner, dont know why most bookmakers are using the internet, they should go back to hanging around hi-streets preying on joe public.
Report racingguru September 12, 2011 11:45 PM BST
365 closed me down after if memory serves me correctly 12 bets all of which lost but to be fair if I were them I'd have done the same - probably after 6 of them.
Report ocean0201 September 13, 2011 12:15 AM BST
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VC stopped me having b.o.g last week and i have only had 10 bets with them over the last two weeks and sportingbet i closed myself last week when i only wanted £20 on a 2/1 and they would only let me have £1.99



i always wonder why the bookmakers dont adapt a blended exchange "ecosystem" [;)].. they can make the rest of 18.01 in ur example open to others to lay.. punter is happy, VC trader is happy and layer is happy.. instead of losing customers they should become bookie-exchanges where they decide prices and have the first chance to lay.. rest is for exchange run by them.. stupid idea ??
Report bf_fananatic September 13, 2011 12:18 AM BST
ocean0201 , bookmakers are only good at fleecing sheep, now your asking them to knit a jumper, there just to dumb.
Report bf_fananatic September 13, 2011 12:20 AM BST
bookmakers are just not bright enough to be like BF or BD and there customers being just the same, stay loyal and skint.
Report murphyjust. September 13, 2011 9:35 AM BST
aljohnson     Joined: 17 Sep 04
Replies: 81 11 Sep 11 23:33 
I had my account closed after one bet. It was a loser £1k on an 8/11 on a test match. They would not give an explanation other that it was the senior traders decision.


either a) arb b) late or c) one of many a/cs u have - cos they may not be the brightest in the world but if someone has a grand on a genuine 8/11 shot they don't get closed
Report Lecter September 14, 2011 12:58 PM BST
If you worked as a trader for said company and your job was to make money and you kept seeing said person having these winning bets what would you do?
Keep laying then lose job or close/restrict accounts.
I used to love betting with seangraham as they were poor same with bwin. I had 1 basketball bet with Bsq (£25 at 4/5) think line moved from 7.5 ended up 11.5 and now im done for. SJ allows me to win £50 I think.
Report 3DUCKEGGS September 14, 2011 8:38 PM BST
They closed my losing account recently!
Report 3DUCKEGGS September 14, 2011 8:38 PM BST
They closed my losing account recently!
Report 3DUCKEGGS September 14, 2011 8:39 PM BST
Not twice though!

I even had to remind them there was a few quid in it!
Report RAPS September 15, 2011 11:21 PM BST
Pinnacle
5dimes
...are real bookies. They trust their odds-compilers and let you on for decent amounts (esp. Pinny).

Your British "bookmakers" are simply not bookmakers. They don`t trust their own odds and only want losing mugs to play w/em. A disgrace - perhaps the worst in the world
Report bf_fananatic September 15, 2011 11:31 PM BST
True raps but using bookmakers openly via accounts is asking for trouble, equivalent to using the
cartoon channel to study for a university degree, not recommended at all, stick to exchanges.
Report patrick starr September 16, 2011 1:05 AM BST
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15 Sep 11 23:39 Joined: 06 Sep 10 | Topic/replies: 18,270 | Blogger: Hbkisonhisway's blog
had mine closed today god knows why ive only used it 2 weeks over space of the last year


Probably thought they'd do an ill man a favour...
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